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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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Parl

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Zenith said:
higher = postive. ideally they should account for nearly all of it. there were some recent articles about how all the parties were hiding the depth of the spending cuts from the publc.
That's not the whole picture. It's irresponsible to commit to cuts when you don't even know what's exactly being spent. Much better idea to wait until you're in government to get a considerably better grasp of the areas in which there cuts will make the least impact.

It'd be irresponsible to commit to cuts without knowing the full picture. Even something like saying 5% off of education, 8% off of military is irresponsible without knowing which departments have the greater ability to be cut without bigger impacts.

There hasn't been a proper spending review, and there really ought to have been so each party would spell out the specifics of where they will make the inevitable cuts in public spending.

prettyvacant77 said:
I listened to the same broadcast, basically it meant that the Lib Dems had actually provided figures to explain how they were going to cover about 25 or 26% of the deficit in the next parliament whereas Labour and the Conservatives had explained about 17& and 11% respectively (can't recall which was which).
You managed to contradict yourself in the same sentence. I love it.
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
PowderedToast said:
but not necessarily for the better. PR sounds great on paper but in practice could be much worse than FPTP.

Absolutely. It's interesting to note that none of the top performing economies in Europe have any form of PR.

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no, hang on a second...
 

xbhaskarx

Member
sprsk said:
Just chiming in to say the whole Brown/Mic incident made Japanese news.

Just chiming in to say the incident made Indian, South African, Israeli, and Russian news. I haven't actually checked but of course it did.

SmokyDave said:
Blimey! I'd be interested to see how that was reported.

Dabookerman said:
You fucking kidding me?

Really, you're surprised this is news?

News: Brown's comment
Not News: that it's news in other countries
 

guidop

Member
Wes said:
Gordon-Brown-on-the-Jerem-006.jpg

the best facepalm pic i have seen in a long long time. I think its better then the Patrick Stewart Picard one for mine, just need to get a non-cropped version
 

SmokyDave

Member
xbhaskarx said:
Really, you're surprised this is news?

News: Brown's comment
Not News: that it's news in other countries
Do you have this guide in a cut-out-and-keep format?

I'm not so much surprised as wondering how it was reported. There was a lot more to the comment than a simple surface disagreement and insult.
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
The real problem is that Brown didn't call the woman a bigot to her face.

The real real problem is that this is because he doesn't want to lose the bigot vote.

The real real real problem is that this country contains people who can ask with a straight face "All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from?"

Eastern Europe, in case you didn't know...
 

Varion

Member
Dabookerman said:
I'm on JSA atm. And I'm fucking pissed off about it. I hate being on it. I don't get any of the money, it goes to my mum. I worked and trained so hard to get the skills needed to get the job I wanted, and I'm finding it incredibly hard to get it.
They can sod off if they try suggesting a supermarket.
Yeah, I'm with you there. I take it they don't actually suggest that kind of super low paid borderline degrading work? Because I think I'd react pretty much the same. Not getting a job straight after graduation pretty much seems inevitable at this point :/

sprsk said:
Just chiming in to say the whole Brown/Mic incident made Japanese news.
Oh lord, so it did :lol Looks like there's loads of news articles on it, and according to the 2ch thread (can't believe it got one of those too) it was on the NHK too. Sheesh.

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Actually, on the subject of Japanese news I loved it when a few weeks ago I typed in the kanji for 'approval ratings' into google trying to get Hatoyama's, and the first result was how well the Lib Dems are doing here. Awesome.
 

industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
sprsk said:
Just chiming in to say the whole Brown/Mic incident made Japanese news.

I'm sure it's a small, small, small footnote in Korean news as well. But those dead sailors are going to be centre stage here for a long time.

Wes said:

I can see this forum getting a lot of mileage out of this picture.
 
Varion said:
Yeah, I'm with you there. I take it they don't actually suggest that kind of super low paid borderline degrading work? Because I think I'd react pretty much the same. Not getting a job straight after graduation pretty much seems inevitable at this point :/

They haven't... yet.

I've put myself up for: 3D Artist, Game Tester and Graphic Designer.

SO they better not try to suggest something degrading and demotivating. I've already done 4 years of retail. Not doing it again :lol



And Brown looks like he is giving the microphone head.. in shame
 

PowderedToast

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iapetus said:
Absolutely. It's interesting to note that none of the top performing economies in Europe have any form of PR.

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no, hang on a second...
it's not so much my faith in the system as it is in the government implementing it properly and the reaction from the british public. i'm a general supporter of PR and i agree that there should be electoral reform, that there is no doubt. what worries me is the possible ramifications of introducing such an immediate and radical change to a country that has used the same system for as long as it can remember. a full PR government can fall apart by the drop of a hat if the public is not involved substantially in the voting process.

of course this is conjecture. it looks like clegg won't go into detail about what the party actually means by reform until the opportunity actually arises. it's that unknown factor that is worrying me.
 

curls

Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience 💤
NekoFever said:
It's got all our money to waste on things like nice sets and editorial standards.

IT'S ASPIRATIONAL!!!!!!
 

industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
NekoFever said:
It's got all our money to waste on things like nice sets and editorial standards.

I refuse to pay the TV License solely on the principle that it pays Nick Robinson's wages. These elaborate sets and Strictly Come Dancing would be a close 2nd and 3rd.
 

curls

Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience 💤
industrian said:
I refuse to pay the TV License solely on the principle that it pays Nick Robinson's wages. These elaborate sets and Strictly Come Dancing would be a close 2nd and 3rd.

If it keeps the Murdoch empire at bay then I'm all for it.
 

industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
curls said:
If it keeps the Murdoch empire at bay then I'm all for it.

Keep in mind I've never been in the position to actually be eligible to pay for a TV License.

I click on the ad banners on the BBC News/Sport websites though, gotta keep them going.
 

Meadows

Banned
JonathanEx said:
I'd be annoyed by the amount spent on sets if they didn't look so cool. You know you all felt ashamed by the itv one.

ITV makes me ashamed in general. Fuck me that channel is terrible.
 

SmokyDave

Member
JonathanEx said:
I'd be annoyed by the amount spent on sets if they didn't look so cool. You know you all felt ashamed by the itv one.
Much as it pains me to admit it (and it does, I hate ITV), I actually liked their set the best so far. It had a neutral balance of Red, Blue and Yellow whereas Sky went with Red & Blue and the Beeb one remains to be seen properly.
 
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SmokyDave said:
Much as it pains me to admit it (and it does, I hate ITV), I actually liked their set the best so far. It had a neutral balance of Red, Blue and Yellow whereas Sky went with Red & Blue and the Beeb one remains to be seen properly.
Agreed, I like what they did with the colours, but it did look really dated. Did anyone see the daily show bit on it?
Discussing the presentation... no wonder the gf calls me a "massive geek" at least 3 times a day.
 

markao

Member
blazinglord said:
So? I'm talking about the UK which has a far larger population centered around urban areas. Anyway, from what I've read, Dutch voters are increasingly concerned about the impact of immigration - hence the popularity of Geert Wilders no? Dismiss the issue of immigration at your peril, or see your surroundings for how it is and do something about it. Like increase resources, encourage people to relocate to the less-populated areas of the UK or if you don't want to do that - think about having a yearly cap with the aim of keeping the overall population at a sustainable level.
Not dismissing it, just don't think crowed is the real issue with immigration. Not being able to discuss it, without being labeled Rightwing, has created issues, wich otherwise could have been adressed earlier.

As for my country and uncle Geert, although it is also an immigration issue, yet it is completely different from the discussion in the UK. Wilders has problems with immigration from Muslim countries and them, the Muslims, not confirming to our culture --> not integrating in society. On the other hand the entire population of Eastern Europe, Polish people for example, are welcome, as long as they are Catholic ;)
 
markao said:
Not dismissing it, just don't think crowed is the real issue with immigration. Not being able to discuss it, without being labeled Rightwing, has created issues, wich otherwise could have been adressed earlier.

As for my country and uncle Geert, although it is also an immigration issue, yet it is completely different from the discussion in the UK. Wilders has problems with immigration from Muslim countries and them, the Muslims, not confirming to our culture --> not integrating in society. On the other hand the entire population of Eastern Europe, Polish people for example, are welcome, as long as they are Catholic ;)

What if they're protestant? ;p
 
industrian said:
If you do not vote you lose your right to bitch about the government. It's as simple as that.

Thanks for the input, but it's my franchise and nobody gets to tell me what to do with it. You also don't get to place limits on my freedom of speech, thank you very much.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Sage00 said:
These ratings seem stupid.

It's the difference between positive opinions about something and negative ones.

I think it's quite interesting to know that Lady Gaga is nearly exactly as popular as David Cameron is unpopular ;)

Also, clearly Nick Clegg should say he shops in Asda and bought an Avatar DVD on the debate tonight.
 

RedShift

Member
Rubezh said:
The debate tonight is happening at my university! BOO YAH! Go here for some pictures http://www.flickr.com/photos/unibirmingham/ All 3 leaders have already arrived on campus and are rehearsing.
Got an email about it this morning, I might be putting Birmingham as my insurance choice for uni so I'm on their mailing list. My sisters there as well. Pretty exciting it being somewhere i know my way around a bit.

Mr. Sam said:
The fuck doesn't Cleese do these adverts any more? The man is concentrated awesome.
The man hasn't done anything funny since Fawlty Towers. Everytime I see him now it just embarrasses me at how unfunny he is.

Won't be watching the debate live unfortunately. Shame, I have a friend who I've sat on IM with through the last two, but I've just been invited to a poker game and I need money.
 
jamieson87 said:
Look at their fucking choice of picture. Him pointing his finger with mouth wide open looking like he's shouting and her scowling.

All the halfwit arseholes who buy this rag will be easily swung by this. It's fucking embarrasing to think that the outcome of our election could hinge on this.
IT'S THE SUN WOT WON IT etc. All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.
 

Varion

Member
scotcheggz said:
Brilliant :lol

So who thinks they're going to drag up Browns gaffe in the debates tonight? I hope neither do, but if one of them has to do it I hope it's Cameron, he won't be able to resist surely?
I'm surprised they haven't already! According to the BBC at least neither Cameron nor Clegg have made any comment on it. I don't think they will during the debate if they haven't already, all the opinion worms and the like on previous debates have suggested viewers aren't all that fond of it when the leaders start insulting each other, and any comment on the issue would be likely to backfire spectacularly.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Varion said:
I'm surprised they haven't already! According to the BBC at least neither Cameron nor Clegg have made any comment on it. I don't think they will during the debate if they haven't already, all the opinion worms and the like on previous debates have suggested viewers aren't all that fond of it when the leaders start insulting each other, and any comment on the issue would be likely to backfire spectacularly.

Knowing Gordon and his "You may not like me" approach, he will probably mention it in his opening speech and apologise again.

Which I think would be a bad move as well.
 

Sage00

Once And Future Member
Varion said:
I'm surprised they haven't already! According to the BBC at least neither Cameron nor Clegg have made any comment on it. I don't think they will during the debate if they haven't already, all the opinion worms and the like on previous debates have suggested viewers aren't all that fond of it when the leaders start insulting each other, and any comment on the issue would be likely to backfire spectacularly.
Nick Clegg was asked about it on Radio 4. He responded:"If we all had recordings of what we mutter under our breath, we would all be crimson with embarrassment. Gordon Brown has now gone out of his way to apologise. He is quite right to do so and I think that's that."
 

Shanadeus

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Sage00 said:
Nick Clegg was asked about it on Radio 4. He responded:"If we all had recordings of what we mutter under our breath, we would all be crimson with embarrassment. Gordon Brown has now gone out of his way to apologise. He is quite right to do so and I think that's that."
+1 to Clegg
 

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
BBC said:
1143: Guardian sketch writer Simon Hoggart tells BBC Two's Politics Show that Gordon Brown must refer to yesterday's gaffe, perhaps making light of it with a joke.

No.

No.

But maybe he will try - this is now a must-see for me.
 

Empty

Member
This is quite interesting, and a major boost for Cameron ahead of tonight's debate: The Economist backs The Tories.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=16007299&source=hptextfeature
The Economist has no ancestral fealty to any party, but an enduring prejudice in favour of liberalism. Our bias towards greater political and economic freedom has often been tempered by other considerations: we plumped for Barack Obama over John McCain, Tony Blair over Michael Howard and a succession of Italian socialists over Silvio Berlusconi because we thought they were more inspiring, competent or honest than their opponents, even though the latter favoured a smaller state. But in this British election the overwhelming necessity of reforming the public sector stands out. It is not just that the budget deficit is a terrifying 11.6% of GDP, a figure that makes tax rises and spending cuts inevitable. Government now accounts for over half the economy, rising to 70% in Northern Ireland. For Britain to thrive, this liberty-destroying Leviathan has to be tackled. The Conservatives, for all their shortcomings, are keenest to do that; and that is the main reason why we would cast our vote for them.

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Since then, like the other parties, the Tories have gone quiet on the question of cuts. But, more than their rivals, they are intent on redesigning the state. They would reform the NHS by bringing in more outside providers; their plans to give parents and teachers the right to set up schools are the most radical idea in this election. Centralisers under Margaret Thatcher, they now want to devolve power to locally elected officials, including mayors and police chiefs. Some of this is clouded in waffle about a Big Society. Other bits do not go far enough: it is foolish to rule out letting for-profit companies run schools and wrong to exempt the NHS from cuts. But Mr Cameron is much closer to answering the main question facing Britain than either of his rivals is. In this complicated, perhaps inevitably imperfect election, he would get our vote.

Sage00 said:
Nick Clegg was asked about it on Radio 4. He responded:"If we all had recordings of what we mutter under our breath, we would all be crimson with embarrassment. Gordon Brown has now gone out of his way to apologise. He is quite right to do so and I think that's that."

Respect +10
 

Wes

venison crêpe
scotcheggz said:
So who thinks they're going to drag up Browns gaffe in the debates tonight? I hope neither do, but if one of them has to do it I hope it's Cameron, he won't be able to resist surely?

Guardian Live Blog said someone confirmed on their twitter that there will be an immigration question from the audience.
 

Varion

Member
Sage00 said:
Nick Clegg was asked about it on Radio 4. He responded:"If we all had recordings of what we mutter under our breath, we would all be crimson with embarrassment. Gordon Brown has now gone out of his way to apologise. He is quite right to do so and I think that's that."
Yeah, I think that's probably the best answer he could've given.

I wonder if they'll actually focus on the economy for the whole debate this time. If the audience don't come up with enough good questions on the actual topic at hand, lock them in a room together until they do. The last thing we need to hear is the same few again.
 
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