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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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The prospect of a hung parliament and getting political reform makes this election feel so so important to me. If we don't get it now who knows when we will get another chance?

I was resigned to a Tory majority a couple of months ago, but I would find it very hard to stomach now.
 

Varion

Member
Dark Machine said:
Clegg is gonna be in Sheffield city centre today. I'm off down there to see him and hopefully shake hands. Maybe get to ask him a nice question about the EU or Immigration.
I'm so there.
 

Chinner

Banned
J Tourettes said:
I'm getting the feeling that the Tories are going to get their majority. Hope not as I want PR to be implemented.
yeah same. after the polls last night i feel we've lost our chance of electoral reform to rhetoric from the tories.
 
^ Phew, I was worried. I had almost started believing GAF's hype. Don't worry guys, it won't be too bad with Cameron in number 10. And anyway, a spell in opposition will allow Labour to seriously clean house from top to bottom and be ready to fight in 4/5 years under a better leader like David Miliband (who I kind of like as Labour politicians go).
 
blazinglord said:
^ Phew, I was worried. I had almost started believing GAF's hype. Don't worry guys, it won't be too bad with Cameron in number 10. And anyway, a spell in opposition will allow Labour to seriously clean house from top to bottom and be ready to fight in 4/5 years under a better leader like David Miliband (who I kind of like as Labour politicians go).

Yes it will.

I tell you something - I'm THAT invested in having a radical result on May 6 - REAL change, not the Tory brand of it - that I will be aggressively cutting out any communication I have with people I know who either a) vote tory or b) don't vote at all. Doing either of those things is the wrong choice in my view, and I reserve my right to be a dick about it.

I'll be watching the constituency counts on election night and for each constituency that tips from red or yellow to blue, I will not talk or work with a single fuck from that constituency for the full fucking 5 years.

Rupert Murdoch, James Murdoch and Rebekah Wade should be fucking killed. They're a poison, a pox on our democracy. Which is a fucking farce of a democracy when the whole thing tips in favour of parties on the basis of a few important seats. I will be ashamed of this country if Cameron gets his majority. If we get 5 more years of the political status quo, then Cameron will have proved Britain is broken after all.
 

Chinner

Banned
Good Charlie Brooker article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/29/tv-debate-songs-of-praise-charlie-brooker
If the leadership debates were supermarkets – which they're not – ITV's would be Tesco, Sky's would be Morrisons, and the BBC's offering would be Waitrose. The ITV debate felt like a 1990s gameshow whose rules required Alastair Stewart to bellow "Mr Clegg!", "Mr Brown!" or "Mr Cameron!" every thirty seconds; the Sky studio was a poky black cave cluttered with discarded British Airways tail fins and dwarfed by an immense Sky logo. With its mix of cavernous space and high-tech backdrops, the BBC debate resembled a cross between Songs of Praise and current Saturday night talent-show splurge Over the Rainbow: I half expected the loser to hand his shoes to Dimbleby at the end before jetting off into the sky on a rocket-powered podium.

The chief topic was the economy, a subject upon which I have such a poor grasp that from my ignorant perspective all three men may as well have been debating the best way to kidnap a space wraith. Cameron proposed 'efficiency savings' which seemed to boil down to a war on unnecessary leaflets; Brown boomed that this would shrink the economy by £6bn and risk a double-dip recession. Clegg didn't care what happened as long as it was fair. He proposed some kind of cross-party economic fairness committee which, as secret fellowships go, sounds about as much fun as a cardboard-licking party.

Clegg was big on fairness generally. Fairness and difference. He used so many distancing tactics – references to "these two", phrases like "there they go again", constant calls to "get beyond political point-scoring" – he may as well have thrown in a "hark at these arseholes" at the end for good measure. It's a tactic that largely works: he sometimes came across as a slightly exasperated translator sadly explaining to his fellow earthmen in the audience that these two visiting Gallifreyan dignitaries were well-meaning but essentially wrong.

Brown's ears are amazing. I think they're made out of sausages. And he still can't smile properly, which is hardly surprisinggiven his ongoing luck allergy. Following the overblown 'bigotgate' media piss-fight, which saw him force-fed fistfuls of shame, it was vaguely impressive to see him standing at a podium instead of screaming on a ledge. Just as Cameron likes to shoehorn the "change" meme into every sentence (or rather did, before Cleggmania flared up), so Brown mentioned "the same old Conservative Party" so many times he began to sound like a novelty anti-Tory talking keyring.

According to some polls, Cameron won, or at the very least tied with Clegg. Which is odd, because to my biased eyes, he looked hilariously worried whenever the others were talking. He often wore a face like the Fat Controller trying to wee through a Hula Hoop without splashing the sides, in fact. Perhaps that's just the expression he pulls when he's concentrating, in which case it's fair to say he'd be the first prime minister in history who could look inadvertently funny while pushing the nuclear button.
 

Meadows

Banned
radioheadrule83 said:
Yes it will.

I tell you something - I'm THAT invested in having a radical result on May 6 - REAL change, not the Tory brand of it - that I will be aggressively cutting out any communication I have with people I know who either a) vote tory or b) don't vote at all. Doing either of those things is the wrong choice in my view, and I reserve my right to be a dick about it.

I'll be watching the constituency counts on election night and for each constituency that tips from red or yellow to blue, I will not talk or work with a single fuck from that constituency for the full fucking 5 years.

Rupert Murdoch, James Murdoch and Rebekah Wade should be fucking killed. They're a poison, a pox on our democracy. Which is a fucking farce of a democracy when the whole thing tips in favour of parties on the basis of a few important seats. I will be ashamed of this country if Cameron gets his majority. If we get 5 more years of the political status quo, then Cameron will have proved Britain is broken after all.

quite
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Chinner said:

that man nails it so well, and not just for this, but media in general.


Radiohead, while perhaps not as up for murder as you, I share your disgust at the media bias. Especially in the press, I'm honestly surprised they can get away with it. Editorial is one thing, but the rest is supposed to be 'news'. How can the BBC be so scared of being seen as biased, yet most of the newspapers flaunt bias openly and don't get hauled up in front of the PCC about it?
 
radioheadrule83 said:
Yes it will.

I tell you something - I'm THAT invested in having a radical result on May 6 - REAL change, not the Tory brand of it - that I will be aggressively cutting out any communication I have with people I know who either a) vote tory or b) don't vote at all. Doing either of those things is the wrong choice in my view, and I reserve my right to be a dick about it.

I'll be watching the constituency counts on election night and for each constituency that tips from red or yellow to blue, I will not talk or work with a single fuck from that constituency for the full fucking 5 years.

Rupert Murdoch, James Murdoch and Rebekah Wade should be fucking killed. They're a poison, a pox on our democracy. Which is a fucking farce of a democracy when the whole thing tips in favour of parties on the basis of a few important seats. I will be ashamed of this country if Cameron gets his majority. If we get 5 more years of the political status quo, then Cameron will have proved Britain is broken after all.
You go on about democracy, but your post is the antithesis of democracy, with a very authoritarian streak. Murdoch should be killed? Really? I don't recall Murdoch or any other newspaper editor forcing people to read their newspapers. People have the freedom to read any newspaper of their choice - and it is usually left-leaning people who (surprise surprise) choose to read left-leaning newspapers and right-leaning people who (shock horror) read right-leaning papers! I'm not going to pick up The Mirror tomorrow and suddenly become a die-heard Labour supporter, nor will you pick up The Sun or Daily Mail and suddenly become a rabid reactionary.

People probably get most of their news from the BBC which is on four times a day - in the morning, at lunch time, at 6 o'clock and at 10. Nearly everyone I know who has an interest in current affairs, usually catches at least one of those bulletins during the day. And you can't argue that the BBC is nothing but impartial with the election coverage - by law it has to be!

If you support democracy, then there isn't such thing as a 'wrong choice'. The Tories have enough support to remain electorally relevant. But I will say in the event of a Tory government next week (which I will contribute to), all is not lost! If Labour sort themselves out, they could quite feasibly be elected in five years on a pledge to implement PR. Perhaps this time they will keep to their pledge and implement it.
 
J Tourettes said:
At a guess, I'd say the reason why they have the foxhunt ban vote in their manifesto is that it's a good vote winner for a fair few people in the countryside.

Personally I couldn't give a shit if it's banned or not.

Do you see nothing wrong in killing sentient creatures for fun?
 
blazinglord said:
If you support democracy, then there isn't such thing as a 'wrong choice'. The Tories have enough support to remain electorally relevant. But I will say in the event of a Tory government next week (which I will contribute to), all is not lost! If Labour sort themselves out, they could quite feasibly be elected in five years on a pledge to implement PR. Perhaps this time they will keep to their pledge and implement it.

To be honest, I think whoever was to get in next week is possibly looking at one term and out.
 
mrklaw said:
that man nails it so well, and not just for this, but media in general.


Radiohead, while perhaps not as up for murder as you, I share your disgust at the media bias. Especially in the press, I'm honestly surprised they can get away with it. Editorial is one thing, but the rest is supposed to be 'news'. How can the BBC be so scared of being seen as biased, yet most of the newspapers flaunt bias openly and don't get hauled up in front of the PCC about it?
Newspapers are different to television news. They are not obliged, nor should they have to be, neutral. It's amusing to see people rail against the Tory-supporting press - I don't recall this outrage when the papers supported Labour. You're just going to have to suck it up and start giving the electorate credit to form their own judgement - unless you only favour democracy when the vote goes your way.

J Tourettes said:
To be honest, I think whoever was to get in next week is possibly looking at one term and out.
I think you're right, assuming Labour doesn't self implode.
 

Chinner

Banned
mrklaw said:
that man nails it so well, and not just for this, but media in general.


Radiohead, while perhaps not as up for murder as you, I share your disgust at the media bias. Especially in the press, I'm honestly surprised they can get away with it. Editorial is one thing, but the rest is supposed to be 'news'. How can the BBC be so scared of being seen as biased, yet most of the newspapers flaunt bias openly and don't get hauled up in front of the PCC about it?
And you think the media is bad now? Just imagine if Murdoch gets his way.
 

Shanadeus

Banned
J Tourettes said:
To be honest, I think whoever was to get in next week is possibly looking at one term and out.
I honestly don't care who win, so long as the next election will use proportional vote system thingy.
 

Varion

Member
J Tourettes said:
To be honest, I think whoever was to get in next week is possibly looking at one term and out.
Probably. At least we have that as reassurance if Cameron wins, providing he doesn't destroy the entire country before getting out of office.

I hate the influence the press has too, but there's not much you can do about it if you want a free press. As far as democracy goes, much as I disagree with his political views I'm with blazinglord on this one. Personally I just want more people to make their own minds up, choose a party that they genuinely want to vote for and do so, rather than doing what the papers tell them to do. If that means they vote for someone other than the party I vote for, then that's their choice.

As we saw with the whole Clegg hating thing a few weeks ago the influence of the press here does seem to be decreasing these days and people are less likely to be swayed by it, and that can only be a good thing.
 
Zenith said:
so has bigotgate had no impact on Labour's standing?
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that Murdoch put a gun to Brown's head and forced Brown to call a Labour voter a bigot. My bad.

Anyway, y'all seen this? Jon Stewart's pisstake of the general election. It's hilarious, I wish we had some good satirical shows here to liven up the election campaign.
 

Chinner

Banned
blazinglord said:
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that Murdoch put a gun to Brown's head and forced Brown to call a Labour voter a bigot. My bad.
What are you even talking about? Zenith made no relation to Murdoch. Talk about paranoia:lol

blazinglord said:
Anyway, y'all seen this? Jon Stewart's pisstake of the general election. It's hilarious, I wish we had some good satirical shows here to liven up the election campaign.
Jon Stewart is unfunny. "oh look hes something stupid taken out of contenxt now i will act all shocked by how stupid it is and make fun of it".

colbert is billion times better.
 

Meadows

Banned
Shanadeus said:
I honestly don't care who win, so long as the next election will use proportional vote system thingy.

Vote Lib Dem or Labour then (depending on who is more likely to win your area)
 
Chinner said:
What are you even talking about? Zenith made no relation to Murdoch. Talk about paranoia:lol
I assumed he was referring to the mass coverage of 'bishopgate' in the Tory-supporting press and Sky news who released the audio piece in the first place which apparently, BBC news would be prohibited by law to release it if it was on a BBC mic.

Jon Stewart is unfunny. "oh look hes something stupid taken out of contenxt now i will act all shocked by how stupid it is and make fun of it".

colbert is billion times better.
I've not seen the Colbert Report, is it even on British TV?
 
1.21pm: David Cameron has said that he wants British troops to start coming home from Afghanistan in the next parliament. Labour and the Tories have always said that they don't want troops to remain in the country any longer than necessary, but that they should stay until Afghanistan is stable, and Cameron said today that he was not setting an "artificial deadline". But he did go further than he has before, I think, in suggesting that he would bring troops home within the next four or five years.

"We've been there already for eight or nine years. That's already a long time. We can't be there for another eight or nine years. It's got to be in the next Parliament that these troops really start coming home - as soon as possible, but based on success, not on an artificial timetable."
Afghanistan hasn't been much of an issue in this election, but I think the Liberal Democrats missed out on an opportunity to commit to Afghanistan withdrawal. It would have probably been electorally popular, but apparently Paddy Ashdown convinced Clegg not to do this.
 

industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
And the lack of a call from my dad would suggest that my council didn't receive my application for a proxy vote. Thanks for a job well done Korean Postal Service!

I'm not joking when I say that if in the scenario of a extremely narrow victory for the Conservative party in my region (1-50 majority) I may consider suing the Korean Post Office.
 

curls

Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience 💤
blazinglord said:
If you support democracy, then there isn't such thing as a 'wrong choice'. The Tories have enough support to remain electorally relevant. But I will say in the event of a Tory government next week (which I will contribute to), all is not lost! If Labour sort themselves out, they could quite feasibly be elected in five years on a pledge to implement PR. Perhaps this time they will keep to their pledge and implement it.

Urgh, five years are you joking?
 
curls said:
Urgh, five years are you joking?
Nope, but you need not worry too much. I live in a Lib Dem stronghold, I'd be very surprise if the Tories oust the current Lib Dem MP seeing as the Tory candidate standing is so lacklustre and uninspiring.
 

Shanadeus

Banned
blazinglord said:
Nope, but you need not worry too much. I live in a Lib Dem stronghold, I'd be very surprise if the Tories oust the current Lib Dem MP seeing as the Tory candidate standing is so lacklustre and uninspiring.
If the Tory candidate is so lacklustre and uninspiring, why would you chose him over the Lib Dem which appears to be better?
 
Shanadeus said:
If the Tory candidate is so lacklustre and uninspiring, why would you chose him over the Lib Dem which appears to be better?
Because I want the Conservatives to form a government with a working majority in parliament. We live in a very centralised state, people are more influenced by Westminster politics than what their local MP does locally.
 

scotcheggz

Member
So here in Brighton Pavilion it seems to be pretty much a two horse race between the Greens, and the Torys. In an ideal world, I'd vote Lib-Dem and see them in power, but in a seat like mine, do you think tactical voting for the Green party is much more sensible?

To be clear, I'm not asking someone to make up my mind for me, just wondering what peoples opinions are on such a situation, tactical voting etc. I personally think it's slightly annoying and shows the flaws in our current voting system bare as day.
 

scotcheggz

Member
Zenith said:
You do know what sentient means don't you?

I don't really want to get involved, but just saying, in many animal rights circles, they class sentient as having the ability to feel pain, excitement, pleasure, fear etc. I read the anti-fox hunting literature a fair bit since my dad is a member of some anti-hunting group. I don't see them much these days, but funnily enough I was over there last week and read an article on this exact thing.
 
scotcheggz said:
So here in Brighton Pavilion it seems to be pretty much a two horse race between the Greens, and the Torys. In an ideal world, I'd vote Lib-Dem and see them in power, but in a seat like mine, do you think tactical voting for the Green party is much more sensible?

To be clear, I'm not asking someone to make up my mind for me, just wondering what peoples opinions are on such a situation, tactical voting etc. I personally think it's slightly annoying and shows the flaws in our current voting system bare as day.
I'm against tactical voting. Go for lib dem.
 
scotcheggz said:
So here in Brighton Pavilion it seems to be pretty much a two horse race between the Greens, and the Torys. In an ideal world, I'd vote Lib-Dem and see them in power, but in a seat like mine, do you think tactical voting for the Green party is much more sensible?

To be clear, I'm not asking someone to make up my mind for me, just wondering what peoples opinions are on such a situation, tactical voting etc. I personally think it's slightly annoying and shows the flaws in our current voting system bare as day.

I'd rather cast my vote for the tories than the anti-science greens. That being said, spoiling your paper is always an option.
 

scotcheggz

Member
The Friendly Monster said:
I'm against tactical voting. Go for lib dem.

I'm pretty much against it too, it doesn't help that the greens campaign heavily round here and the last two to knock on my door have played the "dont want tory? vote green!" card on me, which pissed me off.
 

curls

Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience 💤
J Tourettes said:
I'd rather cast my vote for the tories than the anti-science greens. That being said, spoiling your paper is always an option.

How can the greens be anti-science? How is this true, green tech is a result of science. :lol
 

Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
scotcheggz said:
So here in Brighton Pavilion it seems to be pretty much a two horse race between the Greens, and the Torys. In an ideal world, I'd vote Lib-Dem and see them in power, but in a seat like mine, do you think tactical voting for the Green party is much more sensible?

To be clear, I'm not asking someone to make up my mind for me, just wondering what peoples opinions are on such a situation, tactical voting etc. I personally think it's slightly annoying and shows the flaws in our current voting system bare as day.


I'm in Kemp Town and I'm voting labour for the same reason, though both our seats were so marginal in 2005 I'm pretty sure we're doomed to tory MPs.

I'd also like to vote Lib Dem but I'm pretty sure the Lib Dem candidate for Kemp town doesn't actually exist, she hasn't updated her website since February, they've really missed a trick here. They could have easily stolen the green vote (which has always been a protest vote anyway) and every labour voter I've spoken to is voting tactically against the Tories. They might not have won but they definitely would have put themselves in a position to compete in the future if they'd just given it a shot.
 

scotcheggz

Member
Ghost said:
I'm in Kemp Town and I'm voting labour for the same reason, though both our seats were so marginal in 2005 I'm pretty sure we're doomed to tory MPs.

I'd also like to vote Lib Dem but I'm pretty sure the Lib Dem candidate for Kemp town doesn't actually exist, she hasn't updated her website since February, they've really missed a trick here. They could have easily stolen the green vote (which has always been a protest vote anyway) and every labour voter I've spoken to is voting tactically against the Tories. They might not have won but they definitely would have put themselves in a position to compete in the future if they'd just given it a shot.

Brighton and Hove internet high five! Yeh, Lib Dems seriously missed a trick I think, I've not even had any LD literature through my door yet, but there is stacks of Green/Tory/Lab stuff posted daily. I checked the LD Brighton blog too, basically non-existent. It's insane when you consider the demographic and that just a few miles down the road, LD dominate the Lewes area.

I just checked the wiki for the Kemp Town boundaries and it stretches as far as Peacehaven?!
 

Wes

venison crêpe
scotcheggz said:
So here in Brighton Pavilion it seems to be pretty much a two horse race between the Greens, and the Torys. In an ideal world, I'd vote Lib-Dem and see them in power, but in a seat like mine, do you think tactical voting for the Green party is much more sensible?

To be clear, I'm not asking someone to make up my mind for me, just wondering what peoples opinions are on such a situation, tactical voting etc. I personally think it's slightly annoying and shows the flaws in our current voting system bare as day.

Personally I would never tactically vote. I can understand why people consider it, it's just not an idea I subscribe to. I want to vote for the party whose policies I like/adhere to the most, no matter their chances.
 

tidus9000

Member
marmaraS said:
Brighton and Hove triple high five! :) Voting Lib-Dem here

Make that a Quadruple internet high five!:lol

scotcheggz said:
Lib Dems seriously missed a trick I think, I've not even had any LD literature through my door yet, but there is stacks of Green/Tory/Lab stuff posted daily. I checked the LD Brighton blog too, basically non-existent. It's insane when you consider the demographic and that just a few miles down the road, LD dominate the Lewes area.

I just checked the wiki for the Kemp Town boundaries and it stretches as far as Peacehaven?!

I got a laughably bad leaflet from the libdems the other day, stretched images and awful pictures, my graphic designer friend said it could only be worse if they used comic sans :lol. pretty much no mention of policies and went about slagging off the Tories with irrelevant quotes from newspapers about the NHS. I'm still unsure who to vote for, my entire family is hard nut Labour so I may just end up voting for them.
 
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