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Ultra HD (4K) Blu-ray specification completed
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i'm not sure about that, it's really confusing for people and I'm sure they won't buy an another Blu-ray player thinking they have already one ( PS4,Xbox One etc .. ), now I feel bad for all people that have bought a 4K TV that is useless now.
HDR 4K TV are over 5000$, good luck with that.
HDR 4K TV are over 5000$, good luck with that.
NekoFever
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Xtreme HD. Let's go full 90s.
Really?! Damn............. I guess we are still not there yet.
The Hobbit Trilogy 4k HFR in my veins!
All you need is the Fellowship of the Ring.
8k is Super Hi-Vision
Yeah, 60fps minimum everywhere. Thank you very much.
To those afraid of having to upgrade their collection. I really think the visual upgrade for movies shots in 35mm (meaning 99% of movie in history!) won't be super noticeable, or at least way less than the one from dvd obviously.
I can be wrong but i'm really curious to see some comparison between a 2k bluray of a 35mm movie upscaled to 4k (on a tv or projector) and a real 4k master of the same 35mm movie.
I can be wrong but i'm really curious to see some comparison between a 2k bluray of a 35mm movie upscaled to 4k (on a tv or projector) and a real 4k master of the same 35mm movie.
Reizo Ryuu
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35mm can be mastered at ~5k+.
An HD bd of T2 on a 60" tv will look worse than an UHD remaster of it on the same size.
there's really a lot more factors than that.
I have the dollars trilogy and all but one of the dirty harry movies, and at 1080p on 106" screen, there is blur from depth of field or focus issues. For some movies it simply doesn't matter how well it was restored, you can't fix issues like that.
So in my opinion older movies are going to be really hit or miss in 4k. Some, that don't have those types of issues are going to look stunning, others are just going to have super magnified flaws.
darkazcura
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Obviously it will look worse, but the question was how much worse. I'd be interested in that comparison also.
Dreams-Visions
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DTS:X and Dolby Atmos.
Are they here to stay and will I need to buy a new receiver? What kind of speaker configurations will I need to take advantage of these?
Are they here to stay and will I need to buy a new receiver? What kind of speaker configurations will I need to take advantage of these?
Lawrence of Arabia in 4K? I'll take two!
That's on the basis I purchase a nice 4K set. I'm willing, but it's hard to justify a purchase outside of gaming. Probably will not get a 4K player until the PS5 and next Xbox launch. Regardless, glad to see image quality be at the forefront for the new specifications, as it was sorely needed.
That's on the basis I purchase a nice 4K set. I'm willing, but it's hard to justify a purchase outside of gaming. Probably will not get a 4K player until the PS5 and next Xbox launch. Regardless, glad to see image quality be at the forefront for the new specifications, as it was sorely needed.
Nerdkiller
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So they still haven't budged to make a larger capacity disc...disappointing.
Yeah i always hear that but that doesn't mean anything. You can scan an analog source at infinity if you want .. Some will say the grain structure etc..
The real question is, are there details, on a 35mm film, and i mean visual details, like "i can now read that little thing in the background" that are missed on a 2k bluray ? I think not. I can be wrong.
Sure the pixel density will be better but it will be the same if the 2k source is upscaled nicely.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Finally! Blu Ray looks like crap!
I'm not being serious
PhoncipleBone
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And I hope this means we finally get rid of these black bars on movies. What the hell are they doing wasting my precious resolution by putting them on there?
there's lots of receivers/processors that have atmos already, so they should be around for a while.
Dolby's website recommends 11.1 or 11.2 for atmos. It gets complicated because there's some speakers that are "atmos" enabled where they bounce the sound off the ceiling. Vs. having dedicated speakers in the ceiling.
AstroNut325
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Yes. This is good. I just hope the players aren't expensive. I mean BDXL drives are already around $70 USD.
If the price is right I'll try to jump in sooner rather than later.
If the price is right I'll try to jump in sooner rather than later.
Is Capcom naming this shit
Zombie James
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I've already made space for my 6th copy of Terminator 2.
Goro Majima
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I feel like there will be significant diminishing returns with most movies. This may be better for much newer stuff though.
Reizo Ryuu
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Well that much is a given ofcourse, which is also why I mentioned T2, since it has a superb master.
Well, 1080p will still look good, but the clarity of true UHD footage is just much more visually pleasing.
Well, infinity doesn't mean anything, that's why I said ~5k+, that's the point where you kinda reach "max" resolution.
And yes there are details, 35mm is a pretty great format.
TouchMyBox
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Can we retcon old Blu-Rays to be called 2K Blu-Ray, just to fuck with cellphone marketers who are calling 1440p screens "2K"?
Oh, of course. It should be great for watching anything recent with really expensive action scenes on a large 4K TV though. Nature documentaries look pretty nice in 4K as well.
Oh, of course. It should be great for watching anything recent with really expensive action scenes on a large 4K TV though. Nature documentaries look pretty nice in 4K as well.
The reason i don't believe it, but maybe you can find an example to prove me wrong: I can't find a 35mm movie, in bluray, that has an image as sharp as a digitally shot movie in the same format. (i'm not talking 70mm obviously).
So for me that means something simple. 35mm film doesn't "max out" a 2k resolution in term of actual visual details. Now, maybe 35mm scanned at 4k or more can be sharper, i know there are some of them.
spookyfish
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I'm a huge physical format fan, have even bought a 4K Sony TV--mostly for passive "full hd" 3D..
And I thought the exact same thing.
Just in time for the LOTR remake then! (Please don't attack me with pitchforks, I was only joking)
Bought DVDs for 7-8 years; now I've been buying BRDs about that same length of time.
Each collection represents a few thousand dollars investment.
Have no problem spending another few thousand over the next 7-8 years on UHD BRDs. Considering how much enjoyment I get out of my movie collection, and how I'm able to give away my old disks to friends when I replace them.. It's not even that expensive of a hobby.
Each collection represents a few thousand dollars investment.
Have no problem spending another few thousand over the next 7-8 years on UHD BRDs. Considering how much enjoyment I get out of my movie collection, and how I'm able to give away my old disks to friends when I replace them.. It's not even that expensive of a hobby.
Sectorseven
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How much will a uhd movie cost?
Mr. Wonderful
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What happens if you put a UHD Blu-ray in a Blu-ray player? PS4?
If Sony and Microsoft can upgrade their Blu-ray playback to partially support the UHD spec (4K, no HDR, or HDR, no 4K, etc.), this has a chance to take off.
Are the formats modular, like Dolby Digital Plus, where if Plus isn't supported, you still get Dolby Digital sound?
If Sony and Microsoft can upgrade their Blu-ray playback to partially support the UHD spec (4K, no HDR, or HDR, no 4K, etc.), this has a chance to take off.
Are the formats modular, like Dolby Digital Plus, where if Plus isn't supported, you still get Dolby Digital sound?
Reizo Ryuu
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I didn'tsay as sharp, since that would be weird, but it's definitely of a higher grade an HD scan of the print.
Nerdkiller
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Actually, the use of horizontal resolution as the number for the scanning resolution existed long before it was used as a marketing tool.
I did look for a 4k native screenshot from a 35mm movie to see the diff but i couldn't find one..
Sharpness has more to do with the lens than the medium on to which the image is captured. Also perceived sharpness does not necessarily increase with an increase in resolution.
Our eyes are most sensitive to high contrast, "coarse, contour-defining details in an image" rather than lower contrast very high frequency details. So a relatively low resolution image with many high contrast coarse details will appear appreciably sharper than a higher resolution image without as many. The quote is from the .pdf I linked to below.
A real world example would be Technicolor film prints.
Technicolor prints were made using lithography as opposed to regular prints which are produced photographically. They have lower resolution to a regular print, but due to how they are made have much better contrast. This makes them look much sharper, when projected, despite their deficiency in absolute resolution.
A good visual example of this sharpness/resolution relationship, and details from 2k and 4k scans, can be found, along with more information on this than you could ever want or need, in the following .pdf.
http://archiv.arri.de/infodown/cam/broch/2008%2003-25a%204K+%20Technology%20Brochure.pdf
So just because digitally shot movies tend to look "sharper" it doesn't necessarily follow that they are actually higher resolution. If I had to hazard a guess I'd put it down to the fact that sharpness and density of information is part of the aesthetic of many modern films. That is true whether they were shot on film or on digital cameras. Sharpness can be easily cranked up during a digital intermediate, if desired, irrespective of the source.
I have little doubt that many (most?) 35mm sourced films can look appreciably better in 4k than on Blu-ray. But, as noted by others, the difference may not be as dramatic as the jump from DVD to Blu-ray.
This is because the sorts of details which 4k would excel at reproducing are the high frequency, relatively low contrast details of the type mentioned above. The really important (from a perceived sharpness perspective) coarse, high contrast details can be adequately reproduced on Blu-ray.
As for 8k, there is next to no content available at 4k. Most films from the last 10-15 years are stuck at 2k (or 1080p in video terms). So what would we watch on these 8k sets?
Reizo Ryuu
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Ah, of course!
SDTV has always been referred to by its vertical resolution i thought? 576i
PeakPointMatrix
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Is everyone ready? We're finally here.
UHD/4k is the format that will finally kill physical media.
UHD/4k is the format that will finally kill physical media.
Nerdkiller
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Not in the post production side of the film industry (or in recent times, during production with the advent of digital cameras).
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