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[biggersmaller]

You make it sound like most people prefer 2D and 24 fps. They aren't. And please spare me this crap about "home 3D". It didn't go anywhere. Almost every major movie gets released as 3D Blu-ray. And it gets harder and harder to buy a modern TV without 3D. Sorry mate, but 3D is the future. Avatar 2 will further cement this by demonstrating the potential of 3D HFR.

I have no problem with you preferring 3D and/or HFR, so I don't get why you have a problem with others preferring the alternative. Additionally, I'm not just "making it sound like" most people prefer 2D and 24 FPS - I'm comfortable stating that as a fact. It's very well documented how few 2015 TV models are supporting 3D and that 3D theater attendance is dwindling. Hell, the biggest movie of the year (Furious 7) didn't even waste screening the 3D version in the U.S., despite its higher ticket price and being made available in other markets.

 

[NeoFaff]

This could mean a release of open software to enable standard BD playback on PC using VLC and the like.

Spoiler

I'm overly optimistic and it won't happen

 

[Cow Mengde]

Gonna wait until they're cheap enough to buy at 99 Cent stores before I jump to UHD.

 

[gatti-man]

I bought an HD-DVD player when prices became reasonable (<$200), then a Blu-ray player after HD-DVD died. I haven't bought any Blu-ray movies in years, and now do most of my movie purchases through Vudu. Sure Blu-ray quality would be better than HDX on Vudu, but Vudu is good enough.

I think most people feel the same, and I have no interest in the next Blu-ray format.

Vudu is crap compared to bluray. It's certainly not good enough if you have a decent home theater. The audio and video are obviously sub par on my set up.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

ha, good luck streaming this.

or playing it on your computer.

oh wait that's already an enormous pain in the ass with existing BR discs

 

[Nerdkiller]

So wait, 3D playback remains at 1080p? God, this 4k BD continues to disappoint me, and yet I am so in, because 4k imagery.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

i'm just excited we'll be approaching pixel saturation sometime (relatively) soon. they'll come up with more gimmicks and hopefully refine thinner/translucent/etc screens following that

 

[Fushin]

I'll be buying a new UHD player the day a Hobbit HFR blu ray is released.

 

[TAJ]

Who's replicating these 100GB discs and how much are they charging? That shit might as well be vaporware if studios don't want to pay for it. They cheap out on BD50 often and the premium is pretty small. If the price difference is several dollars, then welp.
Also, I keep seeing Atmos as a bullet point for Ultra HD but we have it right now

Vudu is crap compared to bluray. It's certainly not good enough if you have a decent home theater. The audio and video are obviously sub par on my set up.

Yup.
Unfortunately it's still the best option for many movies that aren't on Blu.

 

[jett]

I will greatly enjoy reading reviews of all dem "4K" releases that were edited in 2K and that had their VFX rendered in 2K.

I think this is going to disappoint a lot of people who want their favourite movies in 4K. Are the studios really going to go back and remaster all their old movies and re-render all the visual effects?

In short: lol no.

 

[TAJ]

I will greatly enjoy reading reviews of all dem "4K" releases that were edited in 2K and that VFX rendered in 2K.

The VFX are 2K in pretty much everything. But editing in 4K started happening 11 years ago (Spider-Man 2's DI was 4K with 2K upscaled VFX) and has ramped up considerably over time. And there are many 4K scans of edited-on-film movies. (but the digital VFX in those, where applicable, are still going to be low res upscales)

 

[Addi]

If 2001 or Lawrence of Arabia is not one of the first films re-mastered then they will have failed.

I would guess Lawrence of Arabia will come out early on, they already have a 4k version, saw it two years ago at a local theatre. Was remastered for the 50th anniversary.

EDIT: I also think it will take a long time before this is standard, people still by a lot more DVDs than bluray.

 

[jett]

The VFX are 2K in pretty much everything. But editing in 4K started happening 11 years ago (Spider-Man 2's DI was 4K with 2K upscaled VFX) and has ramped up considerably over time. And there are many 4K scans of edited-on-film movies. (but the digital VFX in those, where applicable, are still going to be low res upscales)

I think the majority of DIs have been 2K though. You're right that old remastered films are scanned at 4K. Although I wonder how much more detail will the be able to extract out of some of those scans. Some of them look pretty "soft", they may have to scan 'em again. 2001 for instance.

 

[TAJ]

I would guess Lawrence of Arabia will come out early on, they already have a 4k version, saw it two years ago at a local theatre. Was remastered for the 50th anniversary.

There are tons of movies with 4K scans that barely came out on Blu and will almost certainly never come out on 4K Blu. (Like the '50s Journey to the Center of the Earth and the original Fright Night.)
Lawrence of Arabia is not one of them though. I expect it day one or at least in the launch window.

I think the majority of DIs have been 2K though. You're right that old remastered films are scanned at 4K. Although I wonder how much more detail will the be able to extract out of some of those scans. Some of them look pretty "soft", they may have to scan 'em again. 2001 for instance.

A lot of older masters were from questionable elements. Using the camera negative is a recent and welcome trend.
I remember asking a guy I knew who worked in a major post house around '99 why they didn't use the negatives and he told me why he thought they couldn't get good scans from them. (some bullshit about them having too much contrast) I told him that visual effects studios did it all the time with motion control elements and he just kinda gave me a blank stare.

 

[captive]

You make it sound like most people prefer 2D and 24 fps. They aren't. And please spare me this crap about "home 3D". It didn't go anywhere. Almost every major movie gets released as 3D Blu-ray. And it gets harder and harder to buy a modern TV without 3D. Sorry mate, but 3D is the future. Avatar 2 will further cement this by demonstrating the potential of 3D HFR.



Do you know what "sarcasm" is? Also, you should tell those movie companies and hardware manufacturers that 3D is dead. Because they continue to release 3D movies en masse, and most modern TVs have 3D. Nobody gives a fuck about those glasses.

I know what sarcasm is. Apparently you missed my point and are in denial.

3d TVs are dead. 3d content is dead. The Blu-ray section at frys is the biggest Blu-ray section of any brick and mortar store, at my local store the 3d section is one tiny little section. Vs. 3 double sided aisles for regular blu-rays.

Don't take my word for it, here's some tech articles.

http://gizmodo.com/3d-tv-is-dead-lets-hope-smart-tv-is-next-1677633906
http://www.itworld.com/article/2872079/3d-is-dead-will-4k-and-8k-tv-make-it.html
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/01/07/3d-tvs-dead-ces-2015-fight-moving-4k-curved-displays/
http://betanews.com/2015/01/09/3d-is-dead-but-will-you-buy-a-4k-tv-in-2015/

In fact, its so dead, its even made it to a camera related website run by Thom Hogan.

The consumer electronics world is filled with dead-end technologies and things that didn't quite pan out the way people thought they would. One fairly recent casualty, for instance, is 3D TVs. Yes, I know someone out there will say they love their 3D TV, but overall, adding 3D to TV sets didn't produce even the teeniest blip of new TV purchasing. At the recent Consumer Electronics Show (CES), 3D was generally only mentioned as a footnote on new TVs. Ultra HD is the wanna-be buzz of the rapidly declining TV industry.

http://www.dslrbodies.com/essays/looking-forward.html

 

[jett]

There are tons of movies with 4K scans that barely came out on Blu and will almost certainly never come out on 4K Blu. (Like the '50s Journey to the Center of the Earth and the original Fright Night.)
Lawrence of Arabia is not one of them though. I expect it day one or at least in the launch window.

Lawrence looks sooooooooooo good on BD. It's actually an 8K scan, with a 4K DI. They went all out.

According to Grover Crisp, executive VP of restoration at Sony Pictures, the new 8K scan has such high resolution that when examined, showed a series of fine concentric lines in a pattern "reminiscent of a fingerprint" near the top of the frame. This was caused by the film emulsion melting and cracking in the desert heat during production. Sony had to hire a third party to minimise or eliminate the rippling artefacts in the new restored version.[43] The digital restoration was done by Sony Colorworks DI, Prasad Corporation and MTI Film.[47]

This would be a "system seller" if it comes out day one.

But no, knowing Sony, I expect them to release their current flavor(s) of the month whenever Ultra HD rolls out.

 

[dork]

What's the difference between this and the 4k blu-Rays on Amazon?

I also don't like the ultra name

Getting a 4k TV this year for sure

 

[jett]

What's the difference between this and the 4k blu-Rays on Amazon?

I also don't like the ultra name

Getting a 4k TV this year for sure

The 4K blu-rays they're selling right now are a scam.

 

[dork]

The 4K blu-rays they're selling right now are a scam.

Good to know. What about the 4k players?

 

[jett]

Good to know. What about the 4k players?

4K TVs are not a scam. 4K players are suspect on how much functionality they will actually have since the specs were only just finalized. I'd wait on a purchase of either until this shit actually comes out.

 

[The Artisan]

The 4K blu-rays they're selling right now are a scam.

I don't think all of them are. some of them say filmed in 4K and others, like the spiderman movies, say they are mastered in 4K.

 

[jett]

I don't think all of them are. some of them say filmed in 4K and others, like the spiderman movies, say they are mastered in 4K.

But you're still not watching 4K content. My Lawrence of Arabia blu-ray was scanned at 8K, doesn't mean I'm watching an 8K movie. It's just a marketing gimmick right now.

 

[AstroNut325]

I'm not interested in 4K for older movies. I'm interested in 4K for new and newer movies only. I'll keep my existing Blu-Ray collection.

 

[The Artisan]

But you're still not watching 4K content. My Lawrence of Arabia blu-ray was scanned at 8K, doesn't mean I'm watching an 8K movie. It's just a marketing gimmick right now.

so watching this or this on a 4Ktv would not be 4K?

I know that this isn't, and I'm guessing this is a similar case to your 8K lawrence of arabia.

 

[MrJames]

so watching this or this on a 4Ktv would not be 4K?

I know that this isn't, and I'm guessing this is a similar case to your 8K lawrence of arabia.

No, it's Blu-ray so it's still 1080p. The Mastered in 4K titles are simply high bitrate 1080p transfers with the extras removed to free up space. The HD equivalent of Superbit DVD's .

 

[Bad_Boy]

ps4 slim better support this.

 

[dork]

4K TVs are not a scam. 4K players are suspect on how much functionality they will actually have since the specs were only just finalized. I'd wait on a purchase of either until this shit actually comes out.

Ok so TV is ok to get now?

Thanks for the info

 

[hateradio]

Japan Broadcasting Corporation (NHK), the developers of 8K (and HDTV), call it Super Hi-Vision. Others, like Wikipedia, call it Full Ultra HD.

http://www.nhk.or.jp/8k/index_e.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8K_resolution

Fuller Ultra-er HD-er 16k

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

I want a 4K OLED, but it's still quite pricey and I'm really in no hurry to upgrade, only have gotten Panasonic's last highend plasma line the ZT back in 2013, which is quite a beautiful tv, it's inky blacks would do my old trusty Kuro Elite 9G last generation plasma proud.

I know what sarcasm is. Apparently you missed my point and are in denial.

3d TVs are dead. 3d content is dead. The Blu-ray section at frys is the biggest Blu-ray section of any brick and mortar store, at my local store the 3d section is one tiny little section. Vs. 3 double sided aisles for regular blu-rays.

Don't take my word for it, here's some tech articles.

http://gizmodo.com/3d-tv-is-dead-lets-hope-smart-tv-is-next-1677633906
http://www.itworld.com/article/2872079/3d-is-dead-will-4k-and-8k-tv-make-it.html
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/01/07/3d-tvs-dead-ces-2015-fight-moving-4k-curved-displays/
http://betanews.com/2015/01/09/3d-is-dead-but-will-you-buy-a-4k-tv-in-2015/

In fact, its so dead, its even made it to a camera related website run by Thom Hogan.


http://www.dslrbodies.com/essays/looking-forward.html

I do like the fact I can essentially buy every newly released 3D theatrical film blu-ray. It fills my niche for said dead product, I ain't even mad.

 

[Pachinko]

I'm not sold on another physical media change. My current home theater set up is aces with blurays (I can watch 1080p and 3D movies with 7.1 channel uncompressed audio on a plasma) so I have no reason to update it.

Plus I get the feeling with anything filmed prior to 2010 , will a 4K transfer really offer that much beyond a bluray ? most of the earlier digital movies were filmed at 2K (which is basically just another way of saying 1080p). I can see this being a more important format issue in another decade but on the other hand, most people seem content to stream low bitrate netflix at 720p onto their tablets so where's the market for 4K going to come from ?

It's already hard enough to get 3D versions of disney films , imagine how much of a pain 4K will be for releases. So far, the hobbit trilogy is the only movie filmed in 48fps 3d and I imagine playing the UHD version will require a brand new 500$ UHD player , with a 48fps HD 3D compatible receiver(probably another 1000$) hooked up for atmos 8.2 surround sound and finally a curved OLED 3DTV capable of playing back 48 frames of 1080p in 3d for the low price of just 3499.99$.

I mean , as I said, give it 10 years and this stuff will come down in price but for the next 2-3 years ? eh, it's a non-starter.

 

[Raistlin]

Yup. I'm really surprised they didn't go the full 4096 x 2160. Go big or go home.

To play on all those > 16:9 tvs?

 

[Raistlin]

Vudu, and the Ultraviolet format, is different from Netflix and the other subscription services. With Ultraviolet movies, any movie I own I can stream or download on any device (pc, smartphone, tablet), and the 1080p HDX quality is good enough. I find the convenience factor more important than a slight bump in image quality.

I think owning physical disks is a shrinking market based on my own anecdotal usage. Of course this is all speculation on my part.

But dat lossy audio


Also, I buy BDs that have UV support. Best of both worlds brah

 

[Raistlin]

4K TVs are not a scam

4K TVs with 8-bit panels, no P3, gimped HDMI, and no HDR are most definitely a scam

 

[Raistlin]

But you're still not watching 4K content. My Lawrence of Arabia blu-ray was scanned at 8K, doesn't mean I'm watching an 8K movie. It's just a marketing gimmick right now.

Movies aren't video games. They're downsampled from the master, so its resolution matters. There's a reason stuff like Baraka looks as good as it does.

It's not at all a gimmick. You just seem to be upset its marketing doesn't mean what you hoped it meant.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

I know what sarcasm is. Apparently you missed my point and are in denial.

No, you have obviously no idea what sarcarsm is.

3d TVs are dead. 3d content is dead. The Blu-ray section at frys is the biggest Blu-ray section of any brick and mortar store, at my local store the 3d section is one tiny little section. Vs. 3 double sided aisles for regular blu-rays.

Don't take my word for it, here's some tech articles.

http://gizmodo.com/3d-tv-is-dead-lets-hope-smart-tv-is-next-1677633906
http://www.itworld.com/article/2872079/3d-is-dead-will-4k-and-8k-tv-make-it.html
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/01/07/3d-tvs-dead-ces-2015-fight-moving-4k-curved-displays/
http://betanews.com/2015/01/09/3d-is-dead-but-will-you-buy-a-4k-tv-in-2015/

In fact, its so dead, its even made it to a camera related website run by Thom Hogan.


http://www.dslrbodies.com/essays/looking-forward.html

I would suggest you look up the word "dead". It doesn't mean what you think it does. You think because 3D isn't advertised at CES, "3D is dead". Which is, no offense, a very stupid conclusion. CES is for new tech. Why should they make a big fuss about 3D when it has already become a basic feature of modern TVs? They won't stop producing 3D TVs. They won't stop releasing 3D Blu-rays. Deal with it.

 

[EatinOlives]

Crap. I still haven't finished replacing my dvds with blu rays. Now I have to start replacing my blu rays?

DVD's came around in ~1998, Blu-rays came out in ~2006. That's 8 years, and it's been 9 years since Blu-rays came out. Blu-rays have lasted about as long as DVD's give or take a couple of years, so a successor coming out soon isn't really all that crazy sounding.

 

[jett]

Movies aren't video games. They're downsampled from the master, so its resolution matters. There's a reason stuff like Baraka looks as good as it does.

It's not at all a gimmick. You just seem to be upset its marketing doesn't mean what you hoped it meant.

It is a marketing gimmick, they're actively misleading people. Pretty much everything pre-digital era is mastered in 4K, isn't? These are just new masters to replace previously shitty ones. Sony is the only one promoting this crap as "MASTERED IN 4K." And they have gall to state "Optimized for 4K TVS." Yeah, okay, whatever you say Sony marketers.

Hell, their "4K Taxi Driver" BD looks borderline identical to the previous release from 2011.

 

[Big Blue]

No, you have obviously no idea what sarcarsm is.



I would suggest you look up the word "dead". It doesn't mean what you think it does. You think because 3D isn't advertised at CES, "3D is dead". Which is, no offense, a very stupid conclusion. CES is for new tech. Why should they make a big fuss about 3D when it has already become a basic feature of modern TVs? They won't stop producing 3D TVs. They won't stop releasing 3D Blu-rays. Deal with it.

Vizio already stopped making 3D tvs. They're the #1 seller in the US.

 

[Lucky Forward]

I'll probably be getting an OLED TV somewhere down the road, but right now I'm not in a hurry to replace my 50" Kuro plasma. Would I be able to see the difference between 1080p and 4k from a viewing distance of 12 feet on a 55" screen? What about a 65" one?

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Vizio already stopped making 3D tvs. They're the #1 seller in the US.

Vizio is a crap brand for people who only care about big and cheap TVs. Doesn't surprise me that they are so successful in the US. To reach their prices they have to cut as many corners as possible, and of course they will remove even basic features like 3D. But Vizio is not an industry leader. They don't dictate where this industry is going, and they are pretty isolated with their strategy. Meanwhile, big international companies like Samsung, LG and Sony will continue to release 3D TVs, and Hollywood will continue to release 3D movies. So what is your point? Cheap TV brand offers less features? Yeah ok.

 

[FunkyDealer]

We need vector-film, that way we'll never need to replace our films when new TVs release.

 

[x3sphere]

I'll probably be getting an OLED TV somewhere down the road, but right now I'm not in a hurry to replace my 50" Kuro plasma. Would I be able to see the difference between 1080p and 4k from a viewing distance of 12 feet on a 55" screen? What about a 65" one?

No - I don't even see the difference from 8ft away, which ultimately is why I went with the 1080p OLED. For proper 4K viewing at 12 ft away you should be looking at a 75" minimum.

 

[jeff_rigby]

Some interesting facts and supported speculation:

1) The PS4 should be able to play 4K blu-ray
2) DTLA is planning on streaming blu-ray over the home network
3) 4K blu-ray plans call for a bridge to home and portable players where media can be copied and played on tablets and TVs.

Again; Vidipath platforms have Playready certified DRM and plans are to stream and copy movies and games between platforms.

 

[Burger]

The Hobbit Trilogy 4k HFR in my veins!

Hobbit films were 2K. Sure they were shot in 4K but the post pipeline was all 2K. So unless they are going back to redo all of the VFX (no) then any 4K release will be upscaled.

In fact a vast majority of feature films are 2K deliveries. Django was a 4K delivery I believe.

 

[captive]

No, you have obviously no idea what sarcarsm is.



I would suggest you look up the word "dead". It doesn't mean what you think it does. You think because 3D isn't advertised at CES, "3D is dead". Which is, no offense, a very stupid conclusion. CES is for new tech. Why should they make a big fuss about 3D when it has already become a basic feature of modern TVs? They won't stop producing 3D TVs. They won't stop releasing 3D Blu-rays. Deal with it.

First of all, I think you need to calm down. Secondly, why do you keep hiding behind the sarcasm comment? You're clearly defending 3d TV and content here, sarcasm doesn't change that.

Lets take a look at your original statement shall we?

Yeah about that... maybe you should wait until Avatar 2 (which will have HFR) before making such statements. Getting really bored of people who are afraid of change and technological advancement. Omg 3D sucks!!1 Omg HFR sucks!!1 Ok.

You say: "getting bored of people who are afraid of change and technological advancement." Where in that statement are you being sarcastic? Seems like a pretty straightforward comment. So are you for 3d TV or not? Saying you were being sarcastic would imply that you didn't mean what you were saying. Make up your mind.

Lastly, pull your head out of your ass and stop being in denial. Did you even read the articles I posted? 3D TVs are dead. Plain and simple.

I'll make it simple for you with emphasis of bold italics and underlined.

The great experiment with 3D TV is over. There wasn't a single 3D set announced at CES, marking the culmination of a trend that started with the 2013 show, when some vendors began giving up. The writing was on the wall last year when Vizio, which really commoditized HDTV sets, didn't offer any 3D sets that year.

this year, 3D TVs are completely, utterly missing. And it&#8217;s great. If you wanted any evidence that they&#8217;ve effectively gone nowhere, look to CES 2015.

Samsung announced a number of SUHD new TVs, all of which don&#8217;t support 3D. Sony has it&#8217;s own UHD TVs which also don&#8217;t support 3D, and the same goes for LG.

From what I can tell, there are effectively no major TV makers working on 3D products for 2015. The fight has been taken to Ultra-HD 4K displays, the operating system the TV runs(!) and curved panels instead.

I'm not sure if you understand how technology works or if you even understand what CES is. Hint: its the biggest technology show of the year at which all major companies announce new products.

So you've got Vizio, the #1 TV brand, despite your misgivings on their quality, who dont have any new TVs doing 3d. Neither do Samsung, LG, Sony or any other major TV manufacturer. If none of those manufacturers are creating new products with 3d, the technology is dead. It was a failure.

Its dead Jim.

 

[gatti-man]

I'll probably be getting an OLED TV somewhere down the road, but right now I'm not in a hurry to replace my 50" Kuro plasma. Would I be able to see the difference between 1080p and 4k from a viewing distance of 12 feet on a 55" screen? What about a 65" one?

I had a 60" Kuro and I went up to an 80" lcd 4k at 12' viewing like you. Yeah black levels aren't as good and uniformity isn't as good but you see far more detail even at 1080p.

 

[Lucky Forward]

No - I don't even see the difference from 8ft away, which ultimately is why I went with the 1080p OLED. For proper 4K viewing at 12 ft away you should be looking at a 75" minimum.

I had a 60" Kuro and I went up to an 80" lcd 4k at 12' viewing like you. Yeah black levels aren't as good and uniformity isn't as good but you see far more detail even at 1080p.

Thanks for the replies. The nice thing is I'm still very happy with my 50" Kuro, so unless something happens to it, I'm content to let the tech mature and prices come down for now.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Lastly, pull your head out of your ass and stop being in denial. Did you even read the articles I posted? 3D TVs are dead. Plain and simple.

I'll make it simple for you with emphasis of bold italics and underlined.

I'm not sure if you understand how technology works or if you even understand what CES is. Hint: its the biggest technology show of the year at which all major companies announce new products.

So you've got Vizio, the #1 TV brand, despite your misgivings on their quality, who dont have any new TVs doing 3d. Neither do Samsung, LG, Sony or any other major TV manufacturer. If none of those manufacturers are creating new products with 3d, the technology is dead. It was a failure.

Its dead Jim.

Yeah I did read the articles. They are false and/or misinformed / not really accurate. Almost all new TVs announced by Sony, Samsung and LG at CES 2015 support 3D. Just because they don't advertise 3D as much as they did in the past, doesn't mean they abandoned 3D.

 

[jeff_rigby]

Lastly, pull your head out of your ass and stop being in denial. Did you even read the articles I posted? 3D TVs are dead. Plain and simple.

I'll make it simple for you with emphasis of bold italics and underlined.

I'm not sure if you understand how technology works or if you even understand what CES is. Hint: its the biggest technology show of the year at which all major companies announce new products.

So you've got Vizio, the #1 TV brand, despite your misgivings on their quality, who dont have any new TVs doing 3d. Neither do Samsung, LG, Sony or any other major TV manufacturer. If none of those manufacturers are creating new products with 3d, the technology is dead. It was a failure.

Its dead Jim.

CES 2015 recap: ultra thin, curved and 8K glassless 3D TVs. Top end 1080P Samsung smart TVs support 3D. ATSC 2.0 has 1080P S3D as one of it's supported formats.

But you are correct, it APPEARS that 3D is not supported by current 4K blu ray players but 2006 1080P blu-ray players didn't support 3D till 2010 when with a firmware update the PS3 could support 3D.

What is Virtual reality when using a head mounted display or glasses? It's presence 3D! This to me means some form of 3D content is coming and I suspect that some of it will be available on 3D TVs and glasses.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Just give me Master and Commander in this format with Dolby Atmos