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[CountBlack]

Like I said about Fuerte.

Take everything you've learned about Street Fighter and toss it out the window and get ready for some carnage.


I say the same for Viper tbh.

My friend gets mad at Elena for not being traditional enough too.

 

[alstein]

Is there anyone who is legitimately convinced that El Fuerte is a true Street Fighter character? I'm watching some TFC matches with Pepeday slaughtering everyone. Every match has Fuerte's opponent jumping around like crazy trying to land a knockdown. It just looks so "hectic" and I don't quite like the fact that the character forces every character out of his element.

This whole trend of speedy characters who negate footsies and zoning is worrisome to me, I hope this crap never touches SF again. I get he's a fun character to play and he can create hype moments very well, I just think his existence is bad for the franchise. I like to watch tense matches where both players are itching to land that first jump. Not a match where jumping is done 99% of the time.

I would actually be fine with Fuerte and air-borne characters if they could actually be kept out for a whole round with the right type of zoning. But they can't. Even Vega, for all his walldive bullshit in ST, could be zoned with the right amount of patience.

Yeah, I'd like to see anime game crap kept out of SF. Ibuki to me is much the same way.

That said, I use chars that don't jump much vs Fuerte so it's less of an issue.

 

[mbpm1]

Eh.

At this point Street Fighter of now is already different. Playing "proper" SF with characters like Viper and Fuerte was already tough in previous versions. As well as the vortex characters like Akuma and Ibuki, and the "can you really anti-air me" characters of Rufus and Cammy.

As an aside, I think that's why I think the Snake-Eyez vs Pepedey exhibition was so interesting. Snake-Eyez, the HDR veteran, who dominates every matchup with old school SF fundamentals, vs Pepedey, who freely admits that Fuerte turns the game into kusoge like marvel but still enjoys it nonetheless. The whole match was Snake-Eyez trying his best to impose "Street Fighter" on this crazy character while Pepedey was trying his best to run his gambling mixup game on him. It says something that only really unorthodox characters like Decapre were able to pose a challenge to him this whole weekend too.

 

[K.Sabot]

The PC netcode changes sound... horrible.

 

[cackhyena]

The PC netcode changes sound... horrible.

?

 

[RockTurtle]

somethign went wrong with me. i've been on a 30+ game losing streak

 

[Robot Pants]

somethign went wrong with me. i've been on a 30+ game losing streak

Check your internet for a bad nat type. This happened to me I lost thousands of PP and BP and it just felt like I forgot everything about the game and I was brand new. Things weren't connecting. I was gettin mashed out of shit. It was unbelievable. Found out my nat was fucked. Been fine since I fixed it.
Or you could be tired and just playing for too long


And Fuerte is a cool idea but he needs to be toned down. Needs more recovery on his retarded EX air reversal. If he has uktra 2 in the corner and an ex bar how do I apply pressure on wake up? I'm either gonna eat the ultra or I'm gonna get reversaled in the air trying to jump away.
He's just annoying, and yet Seth gets nerfed into oblivion.

 

[kirblar]

A little bit more recovery on EX Guac and easier punishes on Q-Bomb are both nerfs I expect in USF4 v2. EX Guac->U2 on landing is just diiiirty.

 

[vg260]

I'm not just skeptical, I think it might make things worse.

Your average player won't recognize when massive input delay allows them to get away with something.
The PC lobby fix- I've seen that fix already with VF5FS, it isn't a good fix.

Eek. What could it have been that changed from GFWL to Steam that went so wrong?

 

[alstein]

Eek. What could it have been that changed from GFWL to Steam that went so wrong?

I suspect it was a combo of the additional pinging Steam does compared to consoles, and general online downgrades between AE and Ultra, as console netcode was also degraded.

 

[K.Sabot]

?

The changes:

- people can't join if the host is in a fight

- you can't ping as many people if you cancel a lobby search (seems like preventing finding specific lobbies) Quoted: "econd, Capcom will be limited the amount of connections a player can keep open after canceling their game search, reducing the number of competitors being pinged."

- increased max acceptable delay

All of those changes seem to be working around the problem the PC version currently has.

 

[Moaradin]

Yeah most of that sounds like quick workarounds that don't address the main issue.

I guess we just gotta wait and see.

 

[Kaleinc]

All of those changes seem to be working around the problem the PC version currently has.

They have no clue how to fix the issue on another note I knew what was coming since day 0 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=104750958&postcount=3781

 

[Fraeon]

I love when there's a new champ, people come out of the woodwork to complain about their character "not being a Street Fighter character" or the character being overpowered in general. Each iteration of SF has been pretty different as far as the neutral game goes and I don't really see anything too bad in El Fuerte (save for his animations making him look like a Looney Tunes character, which makes me refuse to play him).

Just don't feel like there's anything to worry about yet. Pepeday is destroying but I also feel that people had been sleeping on Fuerte.

 

[Onemic]

I love when there's a new champ, people come out of the woodwork to complain about their character "not being a Street Fighter character" or the character being overpowered in general. Each iteration of SF has been pretty different as far as the neutral game goes and I don't really see anything too bad in El Fuerte (save for his animations making him look like a Looney Tunes character, which makes me refuse to play him).

Just don't feel like there's anything to worry about yet. Pepeday is destroying but I also feel that people had been sleeping on Fuerte.

People always said Elf wasnt a real SF character, all the way back in vanilla

 

[Robot Pants]

I love when there's a new champ, people come out of the woodwork to complain about their character "not being a Street Fighter character" or the character being overpowered in general. Each iteration of SF has been pretty different as far as the neutral game goes and I don't really see anything too bad in El Fuerte (save for his animations making him look like a Looney Tunes character, which makes me refuse to play him).

Just don't feel like there's anything to worry about yet. Pepeday is destroying but I also feel that people had been sleeping on Fuerte.

Yea true maybe. Also in the same way Poongkos Seth blew everyone up was because no one had any real experience with him. The same may be going on with Fuerte right now and a lot of us just now have to figure out how to deal with him. After that won't be so bad. Still needs more recovery on EX guac though

 

[Nemesis121]

I wondering why the patch ain't DLing on PC, gotta opt out of beta lol..

 

[RockTurtle]

my rank is back up to 1600.

man what a dark time last week was. beat the #2 ranked cammy for it too

 

[cackhyena]

The changes:

- people can't join if the host is in a fight

- you can't ping as many people if you cancel a lobby search (seems like preventing finding specific lobbies) Quoted: "econd, Capcom will be limited the amount of connections a player can keep open after canceling their game search, reducing the number of competitors being pinged."

- increased max acceptable delay

All of those changes seem to be working around the problem the PC version currently has.

Huh. Thought they weren't bothering with any more patches till Omega dropped.

 

[Nemesis121]

after playing for an hour on PC i see no difference, and i had a few matches lost connection, it's basically beta patch made public with a few changes, they didn't fix shit they just went around the issues because they don't know how to fix it lol...

 

[Rice-Eater]

I got it and played about half a dozen matches, some were good and some were laggy. One was completely unplayable. I'll try it out for a few more weeks but yeah, that 1 year subscription to Xbox Live is looking mighty good right now.

 

[sf2fanatic]

I come to the point that I enjoy watching ELf matches than watching Rose. Hopefully I see more Elf players online. Gives me more practice while using Blanka and Bison

 

[The Mango Sentinel]

I got my first rage quit using Elena today.

Mission. Fucking. Accomplished.

 

[AZ Greg]

Anyone* wanna play on 360 in about 30 minutes? Hit me up! Tag - AZ Greg

*Anyone execpt BV. He fray.

 

[CountBlack]

See y'all on xbox

 

[Lost Fragment]

Finally got to play a good poison today and damn, playing against a good poison feels like fighting against a guile that can do his corner pressure from anywhere on the screen.

Def feeling like poison is the best new character.

 

[Onemic]

Finally got to play a good poison today and damn, playing against a good poison feels like fighting against a guile that can do his corner pressure from anywhere on the screen.

Def feeling like poison is the best new character.

She always was, at least to me. She's very well rounded.

 

[black_vegeta]

Anyone* wanna play on 360 in about 30 minutes? Hit me up! Tag - AZ Greg

*Anyone execpt BV. He fray.

KappaGreg

Gimmicky fucker

 

[ShinMaruku]

Had a 0-22 set. Learned somethings but by match 21 my fucks given went to zero and I ended the set.

 

[Passive Assassin]

so does pc still suck?

 

[alstein]

so does pc still suck?

It's not worse, and I didn't think it sucked beforehand.

1 vs 1 matches still work better than console, but lobbies are worse.

 

[Passive Assassin]

It's not worse, and I didn't think it sucked beforehand.

1 vs 1 matches still work better than console, but lobbies are worse.

lobbies are worse now? oh capcom. dancing around your problems!

 

[The Mango Sentinel]

KappaGreg

Gimmicky fucker

What's wrong with gimmicks yo?!

so does pc still suck?

Played it earlier at a friends house and the shit still blows.

Sticking with xbox.

 

[Kadey]

I'll play some games today.

 

[Marz]

Yea PC is ass tier ever since Ultra dropped.


In other news, Viper is fucking stupid.

 

[Onemic]

Played it earlier at a friends house and the shit still blows.

Sticking with xbox.

ah welp, guess I'm gonna have to switch to Tekken/Persona

 

[vg260]

Really disappointed in hearing the PC version still is not good online (apparently, still haven't tried the update).
It's funny (sad), people would love to have the GFWL version back. I guess the chance of that is effectively zero, but if the game is gonna die on the PC, I wonder if they'd consider updating that version (yeah, no chance).

This really needs a PS4/XO port if they don't want it to die off sooner than expected.

 

[RS4-]

lol capcom.

 

[alstein]

I don't think PC version is that bad. Disappointing and not fully functional, but if you play 1 vs 1 in a reasonable connection it works better than KOF13 does.

That's how I judge netcode, not so much on bells and whistles, but on whether I can get playable matches that resemble offline play mostly.

It's not Skullgirls tier by any stretch, but it meets the minimum requirements.

 

[black_vegeta]

I don't think PC version is that bad. Disappointing and not fully functional, but if you play 1 vs 1 in a reasonable connection it works better than KOF13 does.

That's how I judge netcode, not so much on bells and whistles, but on whether I can get playable matches that resemble offline play mostly.

It's not Skullgirls tier by any stretch, but it meets the minimum requirements.

Perfectly worded.

 

[jacobeid]

Not sure where else to put this, but for any Ohioans here, 16-bit in Columbus just put two SF4:AE machines on the floor today and it looks like Cleveland is getting one next week too.

Ahhhh yiss. I'm back in there.

 

[stn]

Man, I don't think this game is footsie-oriented enough for me. As I sat there watching my invincible upkicks lose out to a dive kick (yes, you read correctly), I realized I should just stick with ST. I also realized that Dee-Jay is beyond shit tier.

 

[Passive Assassin]

Not sure where else to put this, but for any Ohioans here, 16-bit in Columbus just put two SF4:AE machines on the floor today and it looks like Cleveland is getting one next week too.

Ahhhh yiss. I'm back in there.

pick yun ofc.

 

[Kadey]

Anybody want to play?

Same old place.

Netcode seems better to me. Not really lagging with someone overseas.

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

I get the feeling there are 2-4 people max working on the PC version. And the patch didn't even acknowledge the problem that has existed since June, that the multiplayer just plain does not work nearly as well as it used to on GFWL. Capcom is a blatantly incompetent developer.

 

[Kadey]

More importantly I think hitboxes are screwed up. I've seen so many moves whiff when they aren't supposed to. It's quite obvious either a small team is working on things or they really aren't putting too much effort into it.

 

[hitsugi]

Man, I don't think this game is footsie-oriented enough for me. As I sat there watching my invincible upkicks lose out to a dive kick (yes, you read correctly), I realized I should just stick with ST. I also realized that Dee-Jay is beyond shit tier.

Well, ST is better and naturally kills (most) scrubs off before you would even play against them.

 

[Nemesis121]

More importantly I think hitboxes are screwed up. I've seen so many moves whiff when they aren't supposed to. It's quite obvious either a small team is working on things or they really aren't putting too much effort into it.

Without a doubt it's fucked up, I have seen moves hit with no fucking contact in versus mode offline, it's as though the hit box stay up in the air for an extra second, Ultra is a pile of shit, sry i uninstalled SSF4 GWFL, i don't know if MS killed the service completely yet, but up until a few days before the PC launch of Ultra there were people still playing SSF4 on GWFL..

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

Elena's hitboxes are broken in general. And Hugo's stun is ridiculously broken, he's clearly missing some frames and is essentially invincible for most of his stun.

 

[Robot Pants]

Elena's hitboxes are broken in general. And Hugo's stun is ridiculously broken, he's clearly missing some frames and is essentially invincible for most of his stun.

Yea you gotta delay that Focus attack after you stun him. goooooood game