Yeah, I think Poison is a really good character and very likely top 10. Love me tender is such a good move as it's usually only 0 on block at the worst, goes over fireballs and lows, catches airborne opponents and breaks armor. I may pick her up soon just to mess around with.
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Ultra Street Fighter IV |OT| What is old is new once again
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CountBlack
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No one special should have all that power
Love Me Tender being able to get the throw follow-up on airborne opponents is so good, you get at least 190 damage every time. Also let's you get good damage even when you backdash after landing Lv2+ Focus. I see a lot of Poisons go for the throw follow-up instead of doing a combo on grounded opponents though. Especially in the case of an armor break, where Poison is at least +7 and you can go straight into a heavy attack, it's better to go for a regular combo than to lose damage and stun with the throw.
Love Me Tender also goes over a lot more than just lows, it can go over Ken's F+MK, Balrog's Dash Straight and Rose's Soul Spiral, to name a few. If you're not using high-position standing attacks, anti-air normals, or an invincible attack, it will probably go over whatever you're throwing out. Normal Tender also reaches to the ground, so I like throwing it out an L or M Tender to catch slides too occasionally.
EX Tender can be pretty silly, cause it's a great move whether it hits (projectile invincible, 200 damage) or whether it gets blocked (at least +2). I also like doing EX Whip of Love, EX Tender for a stylish finish (it's also her highest damage EX Tender follow-up, not counting UC1).
Though one thing, normally Tender is -1 on block, still very nice.
Going over fireballs with normal Tender is normally a predictive thing, unless you're doing it at far range to get over fireballs to close distance (though that can potentially be risky). Some fireballs are harder to get over than others, but overall it still works well if you have a good read.
CountBlack
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I'm pretty sure the general consensus of the new characters except for Decapre was that they were all pretty mediocre when the game was released.
People saying Elena was turrible, Rolento got no options, Poison's DP is crap, Hugo to slow, Decapre isn't as cheap as she was planned.
I had a more negative impression of Poison from the early location tests, just because she seemed so basic and lacking compared to how she was in SFXTK (different games obviously, but still). She did get some nice improvements over time though (EX Whip jump cancel, 3F Crouch LP, better EX Kissed by a Goddess hitbox, lower Aeolus Edge recovery, Focus/Super-cancellable Whip of Love) that really added it up. By the time of the console release, I thought she was going to be pretty solid, at the very least.
Elena is a character that looks bad on paper just because of how minus her moves are. In practice though, it's not nearly as bad. Space L Lynx Tail is actually pretty hard to punish (spaced right, you can get Poison's Crouch MK and even Ryu's Crouch HK to whiff) and can actually in turn whiff punish the opponent for trying to punish. The way sako plays her in particularly makes her seem so good, since he shows off a lot of her potential by how he plays her (great footsies, great anti-air, using the spaced low mix-up over going for EX Mallet Smash all the time, and maximizing her damage).
Elena is a character that looks bad on paper just because of how minus her moves are. In practice though, it's not nearly as bad. Space L Lynx Tail is actually pretty hard to punish (spaced right, you can get Poison's Crouch MK and even Ryu's Crouch HK to whiff) and can actually in turn whiff punish the opponent for trying to punish. The way sako plays her in particularly makes her seem so good, since he shows off a lot of her potential by how he plays her (great footsies, great anti-air, using the spaced low mix-up over going for EX Mallet Smash all the time, and maximizing her damage).
The Mango Sentinel
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People just like to immediately jump to conclusions based on nothing.
I initially thought Elena was bad just because people said so. Then when I started playing her a few weeks ago I realized that she isn't nearly as bad as people made her out to be.
RockTurtle
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2k PP.
back on the old grind.
back on the old grind.
Huw_Dawson
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Poison is top 5.
(This is the kind of statement that makes about twenty people quote and say "lol no" so I will prefix this with that I know a really freaking good Poison player, and that character is stupidly, stupidly good.)
(This is the kind of statement that makes about twenty people quote and say "lol no" so I will prefix this with that I know a really freaking good Poison player, and that character is stupidly, stupidly good.)
From 3k PP back down to 1k PP. Feels bad man.
Whoever said Fei is easy to play is a big fat liar.
He got paid.
I think you can grab him out of the second dash punch if he tries to go for it and hes close enough
Any good Fei players here that are willing to look at some painful footage of me losing and give some advice on how to improve?
CountBlack
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My Fei is a beauty.
CountBlack
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Looks like you're gonna have to learn the shoto matchup.
Is the PC framerate always like this?
Snacks the sober sea lion
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The PC version is super-easy to run at 60 fps. Recording software on top of a game, not so much.
I still can't believe we can't even get Gouken and Akuma themes. Why
I still can't believe we can't even get Gouken and Akuma themes. Why
How do you play the shoto mu as fei? Cw seems like its way too slow to react and punish a fireball unless its ex. Even then it seems harder to react with than say yuns ex shoulder or elenas ex rh.
Block, focus, walk them to the corner. Fei's boring as fuck.
CountBlack
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I feel you gotta play Fei as a wall. Kinda like Balrog. Force them into the corner, don't allow any jump ins, whiff punish their normals with rekkas and out poke them the best you can.
Walk toward them. Avoid jumping in or using CW too often. Once they're in cr.mk or cr.mp range you can bully them to the corner. Once in the corner just be as safe as possible with rekka pressure.
I believe rekkas can punish a large amount of common shoto normals with reversal timing.
Simplest way is staying slightly out of low forward range. Whiff punish with rekkas. You can FA through fireballs or fish for a crumple. As long as you dont go too ham with random rekkas they'll have to take risks for damage.
Focus kills shotos. When when Ryu's start trying to snipe it with solar plexus, whiff punnish with cr/stand jab xx rekkas. Fei's focus is so good that you really shouldn't be worrying about fireballs until they have metter. Ken, whiff punish step kick with jab xx rekka. You hit them once and they're pretty much in the corner, just make sure you hit your anti airs and the rest should take care of itself.
Professor Beef
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You mean the PC version, or a PC that can run it?
Spuck-uk
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How do you buffer cr.jab into rekka? Do you negative edge it so a st jab doesnt come out on whiff?
CountBlack
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hitsugi
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RockTurtle
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how many characters can combo off an overhead? i can only think of divekick characters, poison, and guy
The only others that come to mind for me (after looking at a cast list lol) are Dudley, Ibuki, Hugo, Balrog, and Elena. Sakura can with a fireball setup.
Edit: Actually I think Blanka can too. Can Makoto combo off of her axe chop thing?
Dudley, Elena, Ibuki,, Rog. El Fuerte from what I remember.
If we're counting counterhit setups the list goes higher, Sagat being one of them I think.
Yes Blanka can from a fully "charged" command overhead. Makoto can do it too from regular (LP/MP) oroshi and it's easier if it hits meaty.
Ryu can combo off of his overhead on standing opponents IIRC. :V
Wow, I didn't know you could charge it lol. I just know that I've been combo'ed off of it before.
Wow, I didn't know you could charge it lol. I just know that I've been combo'ed off of it before.
Yep, so can Eryu. But the chances of that hitting standing is rare for obvious reasons lol
RockTurtle
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i completely forgot Blanka has a two-hit overhead
time to abuse it
time to abuse it
CountBlack
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i completely forgot Blanka has a two-hit overhead
time to abuse it
FOH with that 40frame startup overhead
online gonna work online tho
Divekicks aren't overheads. I think Juri can combo off her overhead in U1 too, which actually makes her rather scary in that mode when she's in the offensive.
Passive Assassin
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ibuki f.forward so amazin
hitsugi
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way to bounce before I could get a rematch on that Ibuki
GGs though.
Rock is gradually inspiring me to play Guy again D: less worries about being cemented on the ground with him.
How about that Forward LK tho
direct_quote
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In addition to Juri and Ibuki...Dudley, Boxer, Ryu (1 frame), and probably a bunch of people on counter-hit..
CountBlack
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Abel can as well
Robot Pants
Member
Yes I agree. Kinda hard not to.
Passive Assassin
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way to bounce before I could get a rematch on that Ibuki
GGs though.
Rock is gradually inspiring me to play Guy again D: less worries about being cemented on the ground with him.
haha ggs.
0 on block lol. her c.jab and s.jab are +3 on block i think? ...