Shouta
Member
Definitely an attempt to catch a back dash. He was doing it to everyone else. Plus, Hugo wants to stay in, so trying to escape is actually bad against Hawk.
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Ultra Street Fighter IV |OT| What is old is new once again
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Definitely an attempt to catch a back dash. He was doing it to everyone else. Plus, Hugo wants to stay in, so trying to escape is actually bad against Hawk.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Perhaps he should have done more YOLO SPDs and shit on his wakeup to encourage you to want to backdash.
On wakeup would a Hawk SPD beat a Hugo SPD since neither is throw invincible.
I know vs Gief I wouldn't pull any SPD shenanigans with Hawk due to Strong SPD from Gief being throw-invin.
Funny that I was thinking the exact same thing today.
I really hate what they've done with Elena. Think I might go back to 3S and wait till the PC version hits in August. Hopefully a patch will be up by then as well.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
GGs xCobalt
I'm really digging Poison. I might actually stick with her.
I'm really digging Poison. I might actually stick with her.
I have technical and execution problems with myself. I spend too much time in the lab only to have everything unravel online. So it's half myself and half PSN.
I think I just need to take a long long break from fighting games and then maybe come back when I feel I can learn more about matchups and improving my execution.
What do you have problems with specifically? You play Cody right?
giancarlo123x
Banned
Is the PSN netcode still shit? Haven't touched this in a week.
Dreams-Visions
Member
So what's the verdict on Ultra? Good, bad, or meh?
ggs man. I went a little nutty at the end throwing out so many random ex tatsu. Noticed you always did something on wakeup or were pressing buttons.
Here are a couple of newer games with Wolfkrone and others.
http://youtu.be/2qCXX5wQSYs
Other changes to USF4 Ibuki
-- MK Tsumuji Loops no longer work. I should have known this before but it is a shame. I used to hit it perfect. No big deal though.
-- BP kara and special cancels are its only use. You can trade with kara Kazegiri from fireballs. BP into Red Focus is useless because you can only do it after punishes and if you have ultra it is better to just SJC into it. After stun this combo makes no sense as it increases scaling. Again, BP Red Focus is basically useless outside of focus trapping (please don't).
-- TC8 into Ultra 1 is insanely good. Almost the same damage and knockdown as EX Tsumuji Ultra 1 but can be done anywhere and is easier to do. Best way to maximise damage after a stun and cause a hard knockdown for Vortex (unless in corner, at which point a RAW U1 is better).
-- cr.HP SJC Red Focus doesn't work because the cr.HP itself isn't being cancelled (d'oh).
-- I tried for ages trying to get st.MP meaty to work with Red Focus. I can pull it off on wakeup just not in a combo. If anyone manages to find a way to get this to work please let me know.
-- I didn't know you could double loop Dudley (without using cr.LP). What in USF4 makes this change? I heard you can't loop guy but I don't understand what's causing this.
http://youtu.be/2qCXX5wQSYs
Other changes to USF4 Ibuki
-- MK Tsumuji Loops no longer work. I should have known this before but it is a shame. I used to hit it perfect. No big deal though.
-- BP kara and special cancels are its only use. You can trade with kara Kazegiri from fireballs. BP into Red Focus is useless because you can only do it after punishes and if you have ultra it is better to just SJC into it. After stun this combo makes no sense as it increases scaling. Again, BP Red Focus is basically useless outside of focus trapping (please don't).
-- TC8 into Ultra 1 is insanely good. Almost the same damage and knockdown as EX Tsumuji Ultra 1 but can be done anywhere and is easier to do. Best way to maximise damage after a stun and cause a hard knockdown for Vortex (unless in corner, at which point a RAW U1 is better).
-- cr.HP SJC Red Focus doesn't work because the cr.HP itself isn't being cancelled (d'oh).
-- I tried for ages trying to get st.MP meaty to work with Red Focus. I can pull it off on wakeup just not in a combo. If anyone manages to find a way to get this to work please let me know.
-- I didn't know you could double loop Dudley (without using cr.LP). What in USF4 makes this change? I heard you can't loop guy but I don't understand what's causing this.
yup, still the same
GrayFoxPL
Member
Shit. Stunned Daiminion twice!
The Mango Sentinel
Member
I dig it a lot. They gave a lot of the characters some really fun tools to work with. I honestly hope they don't patch it too soon because I can already see what stuff they might take away.
Overall, it's the most fun i've had with the sf4 series since Super
That ex tatsu scares me. I punish it so poorly though. It gives you so much time to think about what to do that I end up having a brain fart.
direct_quote
Member
If it makes you feel any better it took me a while to be able to do Yun combos online consistently and his execution is easy as pie. I think you have to practice situational application of combos in addition to just standing or crouching dummy in trainining mode. That was my next step and I'd usually just do it against a hard cpu in training mode. Or pick easy execution characters...
edit: then again I wasn't implementing plinking early on, which is difficult with pad, but I can kind of sorta do that now..
GrayFoxPL
Member
Are you sure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MeBXk0WbhQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgzXKOCQJ8A
I was pretty sure that was his online tag.
My bad if not.
Lol at me farming PP from Dieminion without realising who it is. If I get a legit set I will upload it, but I don't think I can beat him now that I will feel the pressure.
His Rolento is fucking annoying though, I really thought it was some scrub who who was taking the piss.
The Rolento I can believe though, but I think Dieminion was just testing the waters of USF4.
I should have known because he commented on how the overhead kick was good against Ibuki, so once I got hit by it I stopped doing it.
Couldn't win a single game from Smug though, and that's a good match-up =/
His Rolento is fucking annoying though, I really thought it was some scrub who who was taking the piss.
The Rolento I can believe though, but I think Dieminion was just testing the waters of USF4.
I should have known because he commented on how the overhead kick was good against Ibuki, so once I got hit by it I stopped doing it.
Couldn't win a single game from Smug though, and that's a good match-up =/
Most fun version since Super, bad PSN netcode.
Love all the new characters, Rolento is very good for my overall game. I need to learn to block everything on wake-up now.
direct_quote
Member
Damn E. Ryu's kara grab range.... Does anyone use kara focus really?
I think EX tatsu is probably the best anti air in the game. In regards to punishes, wait till Gouken reaches the peak of his tatsu then start your focus attack. If you do it too early, it won't hit correctly.
Professor Beef
Banned
Answers will vary depending on if your character got hit with the nerf bat or not. For gentlemen like myself who main T.Hawk and/or Dan? It's a glorious, fantastic update.
For the lames who use Rolento and DeeJay? Try again if there's another update.
Just play Dai Minh Yon's Yang, no that isn't Dieminion or he is simply testing the waters of USF4. Maybe it is laggier than I think. I know he uses that account but I doubt it is always him.
Dieminion is probably one of those awesome players who press buttons like offline even when online so they get counterhit a bunch. I don't feel like I won anything.
Dieminion is probably one of those awesome players who press buttons like offline even when online so they get counterhit a bunch. I don't feel like I won anything.
PSN is my main issue. Even though I don't like what they've done with Elena I'd still play if the netcode was at least decent to support playing such a high execution character but it's so beyond shit that it's not even worth playing. What's worse is that AE PC netcode is not much better so it looks like I'm stuck playing 3rd strike until the dev team finally fixes the netcode problems on PC or Ultra releases in August.
howdyjacker
Member
That is diemenion tag.
I was testing out the twins' dive kicks earlier. If you connect a dive kick to the lowest most possible point on a character, with Yun you can combo into low roundhouse and standing roundhouse with Yang, both ten frame startup (unless the SRK wiki is wrong). I tried it out on ryu, cammy gouken and gief just to see if the different sized bodies made a difference and they all hit the same. Not as bad as i thought... on hit anyway.
When it hits I guess. As a strict anti air its really good, very risky reversal though.
Also characters like Sagat and Ryu can get full ultras off trades meter less.
Right, so I'll start taking names for people who want to participate in the PSN Team Tourney for today (at 7:30 p.m. EST. 8 if enough people ask for it). It's 3 v 3 using the Continuous team battle mode (2/3 rounds instead of a single round). Same rules as last week.
Just quote this post if you want in. Or have "PSN Team Tourney" in your post so I can easily find it.
Just quote this post if you want in. Or have "PSN Team Tourney" in your post so I can easily find it.
direct_quote
Member
Yo I'm game..
Professor Beef
Banned
I'm in.
Are you still located in Europe or whatever? I don't know why you set yourself to a US region flag and subject yourself and opponents that join your lobby to the lag?
Passive Assassin
Member
yea what the fuck jlai!
Professor Beef
Banned
Aww. Back to the Fiesta for me, then.
I have never seen EX tatsu trade before, I don't think its possible since the move has a vacuum effect. It has a very deceptive range that lets it catch empty jumps or far jumps. It also sends the opponent full screen which is very useful if the gouken player prefers to play keepaway. As a reversal, there are definitely better moves but strictly speaking as an anti air, it's definitely one of the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drful5NsFT0
Long set between Smug and Krone. Im not sure how good poison is or if shes a bad match up for dudley but these were some good games.
Long set between Smug and Krone. Im not sure how good poison is or if shes a bad match up for dudley but these were some good games.
For the most part I get decent connection to East US. But we were two bars lol
direct_quote
Member
Anyone up for some games on psn??
- Zonk never comes out.
- Punishing things seems so trivial, cr.lk is 3 frames but can't even punish some sweeps
- I lose out to simple shit, ranging from Gouken fireball into demon flips, spammy Sagats and Ken's who say fuck your combo and just SRK in the middle of them.
- I literally get irate that when I do focus and use my mind I usually always lose, but when I quit doing that, jumping around doing random shit I always seem to win my matches.
- Every character for the most part has strings that leave them complete safe (Rose, Yun)
That grappler match was a lot of fun BV. I was so free with the green hand into spd thing. Not sure if you're planning to invest more time into Cody or were just messing around but his crouching mk goes under Gouken's fireball very easily. No need to take risks by focusing or jumping.