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UN and NATO to Gaddafi: Operation Odyssey Dawn |OT|

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Phantast2k said:
But do they go...fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah?

I don't think so.

It's almost like they speak alah akbar.

Alah akbar? You got any cigaretes?
Alah akbar, Alah akbar. Yeah I got some, here you go.
Alah akbar. Thanks.
Alah akbar. You're welcome.
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Are you just trolling or do you really want to know why they say it?
 
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Ahoi-Brause said:
Because in Rambo 3 the taliban were the good guys.
Same in "the living daylights".
History repeats itself.
Sure Gadaffi is a major asshole, but that doesn't magically make the other taliban assholes who fight him now any better.
But whatever. I think interfering in civil wars spells disaster but on the other hand I don't care enough to defend my position here. Believe what you want.

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Also more people should read Tintin and the picaros.
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Shows in a light hearted way how the freedom fighter most of the time is just another dictator in disguise and will start being a major asshole as well as soon as he got his revolution[/QUOTE]
Do you even read any of the links and articles in this thread, or do you have nothing else to talk about other than shitty Rambo 3? Yeah suck it. The movie was craptacular (tank vs chopper?) and it was nothing but a glorification of resistance against foreign occupier. The problem was that these folks were poor to start with, illiterate and uneducated. To top it off, without Soviet authority, there was no centralized Afghan governance system in place. Libya already has TNC which has been recognized by some member countries of EU as well as Arab league. Besides, most of the folks fighting Gaddafi are educated, middle-class, and intellectuals. Read the first post in the thread, and the Guardian article I linked.
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It is a slog with the outcome still unknown. But things don't look good for Moammar. I think a key point is that he does not control the areas where the oil is. The golden rule can come into play . . . He who has the (black) gold makes the rules.

TRIPOLI, Libya – Moammar Gadhafi has suffered military setbacks in recent days in western Libya, a sign that his grip may be slipping in the very region he needs to cling to power.
His loyalists were driven out of the city of Misrata, a key rebel stronghold in Gadhafi-controlled territory. A NATO airstrike turned parts of his Tripoli headquarters into smoldering rubble. And rebel fighters seized a border crossing, breaking open a supply line to besieged rebel towns in a remote western mountain area.
Front lines have shifted repeatedly in two months of fighting, and the poorly trained, ill-equipped rebels have given no evidence that they could defeat Gadhafi on the battlefield. The Libyan leader has deep pockets, including several billion dollars in gold reserves, that could keep him afloat for months.
Yet Gadhafi appears increasingly on the defensive. And some see the past week as a turning point in the fighting, citing mounting military and political pressure on Gadhafi.
Hundreds of coalition airstrikes over the past five weeks have steadily eroded his fighting power. NATO says it destroyed one-third of his military equipment, pinned down troops and cut off supply lines.
The introduction last week of armed Predator drones — agile low-flying aircraft better suited to urban combat than high-altitude warplanes — has made it harder for the army to hide his tanks and rocket launchers in civilian areas.
NATO appears increasingly willing to go beyond purely military targets and strike at symbols of the regime, such as the library and reception hall in Gadhafi's residential complex badly damaged by two powerful bombs earlier this week.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110426/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_libya_gadhafi_s_setbacks
 
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Wow..

Well, construction companies are gonna make a fortune as soon as the war's over.
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Sky News

Came in here to post that but can now see GAF has me beaten all ends up in the on the ground coverage battle. Hot damn some of the street fighting is intense and its so hard to believe this is with civilians who have picked up arms.

Their courage is outstanding.
 
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colinisation said:
Sky News

Came in here to post that but can now see GAF has me beaten all ends up in the on the ground coverage battle. Hot damn some of the street fighting is intense and its so hard to believe this is with civilians who have picked up arms.

Their courage is outstanding.
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That ambulance driver's bit was absolutely heart breaking...they are really in this, whole body and soul.
 
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What's more annoying to me is that so many can't even get it right after hearing it a million times and complaining about hearing it a million times too. Clearly some of you haven't heard it enough. It's Allahu Akbar...
 
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nib95

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Your Excellency said:
Have you guys seen these Guantanamo leaks from Wikileaks, it's pretty nuts. Obama really has dropped the ball on this shit.
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What stuff? Have been at the gym or working most of the day. Can you link me to the thread or news?
 
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http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE73P0C020110426

Libya imports gasoline from Italy's Saras

Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:46am GMT
By Jessica Donati-Bourne and Emma Farge

LONDON (Reuters) - Libya imported gasoline from Italian refiner Saras in early April, taking advantage of a loophole in United Nations sanctions that permits purchases by companies not on a U.N. list of banned entities.

Three shipping sources with direct knowledge of the transaction said the cargo was delivered via ship-to-ship transfer in Tunisia before sailing to Libya.

Italian-flagged tanker Valle di Navarra arrived at the Tunisian port of La Skhira on April 3 and then transferred its cargo onto the Libyan vessel Anwaar Libya for shipment to Gaddafi-controlled western Libya, the shipping sources said.

Saras declined to comment.

The shipment is legal under U.N. sanctions against Gaddafi's government because the buyer, Libya's General National Maritime Transport Company (GNMTC) which owns the Anwaar Libya, is not on a U.N. blacklist.

GNMTC is thought to be controlled by Muammar Gaddafi's son Hannibal, who is on the U.N. blacklist of individuals subject to travel bans and asset freezes. Doing business with GNMTC is legal as long as there is no evidence that Hannibal Gaddafi will directly benefit from the transaction.

The United States, the United Nations and European Union imposed sanctions on the Libyan government and selected Libyan companies in late February and in March.

Libyan efforts to import fuel may be raised at a meeting in Washington on Tuesday when UK Defence Secretary Liam Fox meets his U.S. counterpart, Robert Gates.

TUNISIA TRANSFER

Reuters revealed on April 20 that Gaddafi's government is circumventing international sanctions to import gasoline to western Libya by using intermediaries to transfer fuels between ships in Tunisia.

The Valle di Navarra's owner, Navigazione Montanari SPA, said the tanker had been chartered by Saras for the voyage from Italy to Tunisia.

"We can confirm the Valle di Navarra left Sarroch with a 40,000 tonne cargo and delivered it to La Skhira on April 3," said a source with the owner, who asked not to be named.

Ship tracking data provided by AIS Marine Traffic showed the Saras ship sailed towards Tunisia at the end of March, and sailed away from Tunisia on April 4, after a five-day interlude in which there is no satellite tracking available.

Saras is Italy's third-largest refiner with a 300,0000 barrel-per-day Sarroch unit on the Mediterranean island of Sardinia. The ship returned to Sarroch on 16 April, the tracking data shows.

Before U.N. sanctions banned transactions with Libya's state-owned National Oil Company (NOC), the Italian refiner regularly traded with NOC and sourced about 40 percent of its crude supplies from the country. NOC is included in the ban.

It is not illegal for Libya to export or import oil or gasoline, but it is illegal to trade with NOC, making it difficult for the government to obtain vital gasoline supplies to fuel the war against rebels.

The gasoline delivery to Tunisia's La Skhira was one of several ship-to-ship gasoline transfers scheduled to take place this month, adding up to 120,000 tonnes of fuel so far in April.
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I realize a company wants to earn money, but seriously, what the heck?
 
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nib95 said:
What's more annoying to me is that so many can't even get it right after hearing it a million times and complaining about hearing it a million times too. Clearly some of you haven't heard it enough. It's Allahu Akbar...
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I've seen "Allahu" a few times here and there, is the "u" suffix the "is" part of the phrase? I might actually take Arabic next Spring term, if it's open, but as of now I have no knowledge of Arabic apart from "salaam malikoum (sp?)", "chouf", and "toubib" :lol Oh, and "wahed, juth, kleta" (no idea how to write those down either..)

edit: turns out "toubib" is actually a frenchism of "tabiib", my bad.
 
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Some fighting in Western Libya today, with some shells even hitting Tunisia, according to AJE:

Gaddafi's forces have now taken the Dehiba-Wazin border crossin, with the conflict spilling into Tunisia. Fighting broke out in the Tunisian town of Dehiba after the crossing was attacked, Reuters is reporting.
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The border-crossing is now back under Gaddafi control.

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MagniHarvald said:
Some fighting in Western Libya today, with some shells even hitting Tunisia, according to AJE:



The border-crossing is now back under Gaddafi control.

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Does Tunisia have any defensive alliances?
 
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lo escondido said:
Does Tunisia have any defensive alliances?
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I don't see Tunisia doing anything honestly. And if they had any alliances from the Ben Ali era, I wonder if they'll still hold. I don't see anyone new entering the game.

Could always be wrong though.
 
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Credit should go to AFP for first reporting that Wazin has fallen back into rebel hands. But Al Jazeera just confirmed the news:
9:50pm

Al Jazeera's Youssef Gaigi has just confirmed the fighting is continuing into the evening, and the rebels have retaken the crossing, after they were joined by rebel troops fresh from the battle in Zintan.

Earlier in the day, the rebels were forced into Tunisian territory by pro-Gaddafi forces.
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Again, this is no time for celebration and the Wazin crossing could very well shift back to Gaddafi.
 
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Magni

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RustyNails said:
There are some reports that the border has been fallen back into rebel hands, not confirmed
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Oh yeah, AJE updated as soon as I posted that first report ><

Also from them:

Foreign reporters on a government tour were also taken to a school where teenage boys fired Kalashnikov rifles in the air.

A few dozen middle school boys were participating in a military rally in their school yard and some said they had received their fatigues just a day earlier.

Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said last week that hundreds of thousands of rifles were being distributed to civilians to defend the home front, a claim that is impossible to verify because of tight restrictions on journalists in western Libya.

The government claims it is arming people to defend against foreign ground troops - even though there are none in western Libya - rather than to fight fellow Libyans.

Sanna Kanouni, a 16-year-old highschool student, said she was learning how to handle a rifle to repel the "barbarian, colonial crusader aggression".
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Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said last week that hundreds of thousands of rifles were being distributed to civilians to defend the home front, a claim that is impossible to verify because of tight restrictions on journalists in western Libya.
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Yeah, I wonder if that is true. That could easily back-fire on them. Literally.

The government claims it is arming people to defend against foreign ground troops - even though there are none in western Libya - rather than to fight fellow Libyans.
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No foreign troops . . . except the mercenaries that Ghadaffi hired in the beginning of this uprising. (And the few foreign spec-ops/intelligence on the ground to direct the air campaign.)
 
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MagniHarvald said:
Oh yeah, AJE updated as soon as I posted that first report ><

Also from them:
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Yeah the situation is very fluid at the moment. Like I said, it might go back to Gaddafi by tomorrow and back into rebel hands by the weekend. Also don't you find it disgusting that the western journalists are being shepherded by Gaddafi in Tripoli? The whole situation is disgusting, but why are western journalists trying to actively play part in Gaddafi propaganda? Don't they realize that they are being played for fools? Leave the fucking hotel and go to the real war front: Misrata. The news agencies are dumb for falling into the trap.
 
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RustyNails said:
Yeah the situation is very fluid at the moment. Like I said, it might go back to Gaddafi by tomorrow and back into rebel hands by the weekend. Also don't you find it disgusting that the western journalists are being shepherded by Gaddafi in Tripoli? The whole situation is disgusting, but why are western journalists trying to actively play part in Gaddafi propaganda? Don't they realize that they are being played for fools? Leave the fucking hotel and go to the real war front: Misrata. The news agencies are dumb for falling into the trap.
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They do it with the US all the time. In fact, they're doing it--it being actively playing part in US propaganda--now.
 
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I find this allegation a little hard to believe . . . issuing Viagra to help with rapes? C'mon.

By Louis Charbonneau – Thu Apr 28, 8:59 pm ET
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) – The U.S. envoy to the United Nations told the Security Council on Thursday that troops loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi were increasingly engaging in sexual violence and some had been issued the impotency drug Viagra, diplomats said.
Several U.N. diplomats who attended a closed-door Security Council meeting on Libya told Reuters that U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice raised the Viagra issue in the context of increasing reports of sexual violence by Gaddafi's troops.
"Rice raised that in the meeting but no one responded," a diplomat said on condition of anonymity. The allegation was first reported by a British newspaper.
Pfizer Inc's drug Viagra is used to treat impotence.
Diplomats said if it were true that Gaddafi's troops were being issued Viagra, it could indicate they were being encouraged by their commanders to engage in rape to terrorize the population in areas that have supported the rebels. That would constitute a war crime.
Several diplomats said Rice provided no evidence for the Viagra allegation, which they said was made in an attempt to persuade doubters the conflict in Libya was not just a standard civil war but a much nastier fight in which Gaddafi is not afraid to order his troops to commit heinous acts.
"She spoke of reports of soldiers getting Viagra and raping," a diplomat said. "She spoke of Gaddafi's soldiers targeting children, and other atrocities."
RAPE AS WEAPON?
Rice's statement, diplomats said, was aimed principally at countries like India, Russia and China, which have grown increasingly skeptical of the effectiveness of the NATO-led air strikes, which they fear have turned the conflict into a protracted civil war that will cause many civilian deaths.
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This sounds like the "they are throwing babies out of incubators" (1st Gulf war) type of propaganda.
 
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Whoa, just saw on Fox that while fighting with rebels on the Western border Libyan troops crossed into Tunisia and got into a military engagement with the Tunisian military. Not alot of details at this point.
 
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speculawyer said:
I find this allegation a little hard to believe . . . issuing Viagra to help with rapes? C'mon.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110429/wl_nm/us_libya_usa_viagra


This sounds like the "they are throwing babies out of incubators" (1st Gulf war) type of propaganda.
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actually, there was a report from a credible ngo which alleged that girls as young as 8 years old had been raped by soldiers. the report doesnt actually say outright who the soldiers were aligned with, but the rape victims fled to rebel stronghold benghazi, so we know what the implication is....furthermore, rape as a weapon of war has a precedent...in the former Yugoslavia.
 
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Though Gaddafi talks all this about the Western countries as "colonial aggressors", Tunisia must be the country that Gaddafi despises the most now. Tunisia is the birthplace of the Arab revolutions/movements going on today. Tunisia is where Ben Ali fled the country as Gaddafi watched in horror and fear and desperately tried to condemn the Tunisian revolutionaries in a speech regarding the fall of Ben Ali's regime. If Mohamed Bouazizi didn't set himself on fire and died in Tunisia, Gaddafi would still be sitting in his palace comfortably while Libyans not even realizing there is a future without Gaddafi. Gaddafi also would be in utter silence and wouldn' have to listen to the roar of NATO warplanes either if it wasn't for Tunisia's revolution in the long run. It's a stupid fucking move for Gaddafi to clash with Tunisian forces as it can easily be used by Libyan rebels and Tunisian revolutionaries to embolden themselves and dwindle Gaddafi's strength.
 
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joseph1594 said:
Though Gaddafi talks all this about the Western countries as "colonial aggressors", Tunisia must be the country that Gaddafi despises the most now. Tunisia is the birthplace of the Arab revolutions/movements going on today. Tunisia is where Ben Ali fled the country as Gaddafi watched in horror and fear and desperately tried to condemn the Tunisian revolutionaries in a speech regarding the fall of Ben Ali's regime. If Mohamed Bouazizi didn't set himself on fire and died in Tunisia, Gaddafi would still be sitting in his palace comfortably while Libyans not even realizing there is a future without Gaddafi. Gaddafi also would be in utter silence and wouldn' have to listen to the roar of NATO warplanes either if it wasn't for Tunisia's revolution in the long run. It's a stupid fucking move for Gaddafi to clash with Tunisian forces as it can easily be used by Libyan rebels and Tunisian revolutionaries to embolden themselves and dwindle Gaddafi's strength.
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Completely agree. Regardless, there's no going back to pre-Bouazizi world now.

As far as that viagra story is concerned, those were rumors within rebel rank and file but somehow made it to mainstream news. No one knows if they are true or not. But that's focusing on the trees and not looking at the forest. The real story is that gaddafi troops have been engaging in sexual violence against Libyans. Iman Al Obeidy's story is the most prominent account of such abuses.
 
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Harry_Tequila said:
Three grandsons killed as well...

Urgh, not good.
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It's coming from Libyan state news, so take it with a grain of salt. It also says Mu'ammar was in the house as well, but was somehow unscathed from the attack.
 
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How About No said:
Wasn't that the guy who made the press releases months ago?

If true, rest in...peace...I guess?
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I think that was Saif-al-Islam, the crazy ranting one. This dude (Saif-al-Arab) has kept his head down.

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By compound, what do they mean? Was that his residence, or an actual military compound he happened to frequent?
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His residence, I believe. There's many different buildings inside it.
 
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Wasn't Saif al Arab rumoured to have been ready to defect? I'm pretty sure there was a flutter of news really early on in the campaign that mentioned one of Gadafi's children defecting.
 
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Just watched an AJE report that investigates claims of pro-regime troops systematically raping women and carrying around bottles of viagra. it purportedly verified these claims with doctors and medical clinics.
 
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Libya loyalists demand revenge after Gadhafi's son killed in NATO strike

Libyan officials said 29-year-old Seif al-Arab was killed late Saturday along with three of Gadhafi's grandchildren when NATO bombed the family's compound in Tripoli.


Mourners shouted for revenge Monday as some 2,000 people in the Libyan capital greeted a funeral procession carrying Muammar Gadhafi's second youngest son, who officials say was killed in a NATO airstrike.

The crowd jostled to get close to Seif al-Arab Gadhafi's coffin as it was taken out of a black hearse and placed near a cemetery in Tripoli. Some people prayed, some flashed victory signs and others shouted at the top of their lungs.

Revenge, revenge for you Libya, shouted the crowd around the coffin, which was draped in the green Libyan flag and was topped with a wreath of flowers that were wilting in the heat. We demand revenge for our martyrs.

Libyan officials said 29-year-old Seif al-Arab was killed late Saturday along with three of Gadhafi's grandchildren when NATO bombed the family's compound in Tripoli. Gadhafi and his wife were present during the attack but were unharmed, they said.

Some countries criticized the strike, saying it exceeded the UN mandate of protecting civilians in Libya. The UN approved the implementation of a no-fly zone in Libya in March after Gadhafi used aircraft to attack protesters who demanded his ouster.

The South African government issued a statement Monday saying attacks on leaders and officials can only result in the escalation of tensions and conflicts on all sides and make future reconciliation difficult.

The most recent barrage came after Gadhafi forces brought their tanks to the western gates of Misrata, said Libyan activist Rida al-Montasser. The shelling started up early Monday morning and only paused with the threat of NATO airstrikes, he said.

Only when we heard the NATO planes flying over, the shelling paused, said al-Montasser.
NATO aircraft have carried out multiple airstrikes to try to stop Gadhafi's siege, but alliance officials have said they have found it difficult to target forces hidden in Misrata's urban environment.

Even as the shelling paused Monday, fear spread through Misrata that Gadhafi forces were preparing to use chemical weapons in their fight to defeat the rebels, who control eastern Libya and have demanded the Libyan leader step down.

We heard like everybody else that the soldiers are distributing gas masks in the nearby city of Zlitan, said al-Montasser.

The rumors of Gadhafi forces distributing gas masks could not be independently confirmed.

A UN watchdog indicated in February, soon after the Libyan revolution started, that it was unlikely that Gadhafi would use chemical weapons because he had no weapon to deliver such a payload. Gadhafi destroyed the aerial bombs as part of a 2003 reconciliation deal with the West, said the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. He also destroyed more than 50 percent of his stockpile for producing mustard gas, it said.

U.S. and British intelligence agencies reportedly have been concerned that Gadhafi may not have declared all his munitions and may have held some back, but no evidence has surfaced to support those fears.

Experts say conventional warheads cannot easily be adapted to chemical warfare. The chemical agent is in liquid form, must be kept stable at various temperatures, then converted to an aerosol and dispersed over a wide are12 people, raising the two-day death toll to 23.

Also Sunday, vandals burned the British and Italian embassies and a UN office in Tripoli, hours after the NATO strike that killed Gadhafi's son.

Turkey temporarily closed its embassy in Tripoli on Monday due to deteriorating security, and its staff traveled to Tunisia, said Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/interna...-gadhafi-s-son-killed-in-nato-strike-1.359449
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It's only fair, we lost one of our old friends recently that we would need some new ones!
 
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