Earthpainting
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That's just downright endearingly silly.
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Undertale |OT| Indie RPG with determination and spider bake sales
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I wonder if the Toriel push will have Mettaton's face?
probs spare.
Yep, I was insistent on never doing Genocide, but as I kept doing more playthroughs I eventually experimented more and more, killing more people each time, acting differently, all in the name of wanting to see what happens.
Consequently, what I find most interesting about it is that
TLDR I was played like a damn fiddle.
Consequently, what I find most interesting about it is that
I did the same thing as Flowey. He mentions that at first he used his powers to get a happy ending, but gradually did more and more depraved acts in the name of curiosity, until he eventually grew tired of the Underground and wanted to kill everything and end it all. What makes it worse is that not only was I killing characters I had grown genuinely attached to, I had stolen their happy ending away from them so I could do it.
TLDR I was played like a damn fiddle.
You get so attached to the characters to the point where doing a Genocide run is not only tedious, but painful. Every part of the game discourages taking the genocide route and actively punishes you for doing so.
It's basically Toby Fox's "fuck you" to completionists. "You curious or just want to see all the content? You're gonna have a bad time."
It doesn't help that the route ends with a jump scare and basically no satisfaction for the player. It's a miserable experience.
Hence why I ended on True Pacifist and will probably never play it again(until I eventually replay pacifist).
It's basically Toby Fox's "fuck you" to completionists. "You curious or just want to see all the content? You're gonna have a bad time."
It doesn't help that the route ends with a jump scare and basically no satisfaction for the player. It's a miserable experience.
Hence why I ended on True Pacifist and will probably never play it again(until I eventually replay pacifist).
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I really hate the combat in this game so I'll likely never play through it all the way but I like the theme, dialog and such so would like to watch a playthrough at some point.
Anyone have any recommended playthroughs? Doesn't have to be no commentary as long as its' not obnoxious.
Anyone have any recommended playthroughs? Doesn't have to be no commentary as long as its' not obnoxious.
Cryotic's playthrough is pretty fantastic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwPDQB0EVbY&list=PLeqwXTaiY-Oz7jlfV6MO9A9MW2K_e_ONF
He sees pretty much everything and isn't obnoxious.
Panthalassic
Member
Seconding. His voice is very soft and pleasant to listen to, and his reactions are genuine.
Also, what DNA says, he basically sees everything there is to see.
I actually tried it months ago, but gave up early on due to the encounter rate in Snowden. But honestly? I just got so bored that even grinding for innocents while browsing GAF was worth it just to get to the good parts - namely the Undyne and Sans fights.
I reset after beating Sans, because once you know what's coming why would you even bother with the Genocide ending? And honestly, that ending is the only one that really feels "definitive" to me, since even in the Pacifist route the player can always just decide to reset again. So while it's not worth it for the ending, it's definitely worth it just for that final fight if you like a challenge.
Now, aren't you curious to try it for yourself?
I reset after beating Sans, because once you know what's coming why would you even bother with the Genocide ending? And honestly, that ending is the only one that really feels "definitive" to me, since even in the Pacifist route the player can always just decide to reset again. So while it's not worth it for the ending, it's definitely worth it just for that final fight if you like a challenge.
Now, aren't you curious to try it for yourself?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
All y'all cowards wimping out before getting the Genocide ending smh
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Yeah this is a pretty good LP. His voice is great and his reactions are genuine.
Benzychenz
Member
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Does it count as wimping out if the bosses are just too hard for me?
Sounds like someone is lacking in determination
I bought the game yesterday and started playing last night and a bit now. I got to the first boss and
. Damn this game is great.
damn I didn't know what to do, I was attacking her and accidentally killed her. Was so devastated I had to restart the game without saving, and when I fought her again and spoke to her, the game acknowledged I had killed her once but it was a nightmare or something
It's interesting to me how people keep falling for this one when I immediately understood what was going on.
A friend convinced me to keep playing the game, so spent a while unbreaking my save file, and I progressed a little further.
I'm now at the Undyne boss fight and I have no health items, because I wasted them all on the flurry of random battles in the next invisible maze area.
Do I now need to backtrack all the way to a shop, and possibly grind for more currency?
I wish I enjoyed watching games on youtube, but I don't. I would gladly pay money for cheats to let me progress in the story without wasting so much time with backtracking and bad battles.
I'm now at the Undyne boss fight and I have no health items, because I wasted them all on the flurry of random battles in the next invisible maze area.
Do I now need to backtrack all the way to a shop, and possibly grind for more currency?
I wish I enjoyed watching games on youtube, but I don't. I would gladly pay money for cheats to let me progress in the story without wasting so much time with backtracking and bad battles.
Does it count as wimping out if the bosses are just too hard for me?
No, it's pretty reasonable.
The bosses are pretty hard, and the game wastes a lot of the player's time with battle tricks, jokes and weirdly spaced checkpoints. A lot of people are struggling on the bosses not because of the bosses themselves and the slew of random battles to drain your resources.
Benzychenz is talking about the Genocide run bosses. Normal and Pacifist run bosses are pretty much nothing compared to them.
I would say those who struggle with the normal run bosses are in the minority.
Well, that's the whole point.
Sans is trying to make the player quit so they can't finish the genocide run and pass the point of no return.
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I didn't say anything counter to that, I was explaining how both posters were speaking of different things. It's not just
about Sans, either. It's also about Undyne the Undying. I would say Sans' strength is also more complicated than what you stated.
Panthalassic
Member
Someone made a remix of a certain boss song.
What could pawsibly go wrong?
What could pawsibly go wrong?
Ah, that'll be me then
I've completed Radiant Silvergun and VVVVVV but I've had lots of reasons to struggle with this.Go ahead and Flowey's Time Machine yourself out of it, if you want.
JonathanNemo
Member
I kind of wonder why, if you're not enjoying it.
Not to be harshing, but I think you've well passed the point where if you're going to enjoy the game, you've found something to like about it by now. The only thing that sticking with it is going to manage is have you hate yourself and the game even more for forcing yourself to play through it.
Like, this is why I don't force people to play the games I like. It's just, if you aren't having fun, and you're not paid for it, and it's not helping you with a life type matter, why keep doing it?
Maybe I'm just being dense here.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I feel like undyne's fight is the most stg fan-friendly. There's no need to move your slow ass soul (much) and it's purely pattern recognition and reaction.
Panthalassic
Member
If you waited until now (shame on you) get the game now in the Steam Sale! It's -20%
It's also 20% off on its website too! I'm trying to find friends who don't have it yet lmao
All fair points, and yeah, I give up at this point. My persistence stems from my having a very good time with some games that I initially had a bad time with, including Ocarina of Time and Oblivion.
I enjoyed the character parts, but Undertale simply buries itself in many of the worst aspects of RPGs, while purporting to subvert them. I hope Earthbound won't be so bumpy, but I'm now shelving plans to play that until Undertale Fever dies down in a year or two.
Said friend has offered to come over and play the game for me, so we're going to do that.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well if you couldn't get through Undertale I think Earthbound will be a bit worse for you sans patching it to be easier. I found Undertale's combat way more enjoyable.
Also kinda amusing hearing your experiences with it and comparing it to VoidBurger's since Undertale is the only JRPG styled game she has enjoyed saying it takes out all the bad things about them. (It was also surprising seeing her make it to the CORE without dying which is something I hadn't even done.)
Also kinda amusing hearing your experiences with it and comparing it to VoidBurger's since Undertale is the only JRPG styled game she has enjoyed saying it takes out all the bad things about them. (It was also surprising seeing her make it to the CORE without dying which is something I hadn't even done.)
Only a 20% off
I mean, I totally understand the reason the game has only a "symbolic" discount (if it sells well, why do I apply a deep discount? The game is good, so I want the sale, totally right), but as a customer I would have a 75% off so I can purchase it, it seems great.
Well, maybe during the next x-mas sale we'll see something similar.
I mean, I totally understand the reason the game has only a "symbolic" discount (if it sells well, why do I apply a deep discount? The game is good, so I want the sale, totally right), but as a customer I would have a 75% off so I can purchase it, it seems great.
Well, maybe during the next x-mas sale we'll see something similar.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I mean it's a 3 months old game that's already incredibly cheap at full price anyway.
Eh, but I only buy digital titles at 75% off, excluding some RARE cases. Not because they are not worth the price, but because by doing this way, I can afford to buy multiple titles, otherwise I would be stuck with one or two games from time to time.
Only a 20% off
I mean, I totally understand the reason the game has only a "symbolic" discount (if it sells well, why do I apply a deep discount? The game is good, so I want the sale, totally right), but as a customer I would have a 75% off so I can purchase it, it seems great.
Well, maybe during the next x-mas sale we'll see something similar.
The game's starting price is 10USD... I mean, I get wanting sales, but wanting the game to be sold for like 3 bucks when the games like three months old is.... like.... it's.... I can't think of the right words, but it's weird <.<
Umh, I already wrote I WISH it would be cheaper to play it now, not that the game should be that price. In fact if you read my post, I'm totally ok with the fact the game has only a little discount, because from a commercial point of view, the creator is doing exactly the same thing I would do. I'm totally ok to wait and play it next year, my backlog is huge and there's no reason to rush.
I just talked as a "fan" of the genre, I usually like Mother-like games and this one seems the best at the moment, but I purchased Lisa today so I have my "dose" for a bit
Panthalassic
Member
Better late than never. Welcome! We're glad to have you!
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
That feeling when your Determination Combo Pack arrives the day you leave to visit Family for Christmas.