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[Black_Stride]

128bit bus too?
Yeah this thing is going to be lucky to beat a 3060Ti'G6X at 1440p and above.
Itll have to come in at 399 to even make sense....DLSS Framegeneration is nice and all but seriously this is a dud card.

 

[nkarafo]

128bit bus too?
Yeah this thing is going to be lucky to beat a 3060Ti'G6X at 1440p and above.
Itll have to come in at 399 to even make sense....DLSS Framegeneration is nice and all but seriously this is a dud card.

Looks like the worst "60" card ever if true, while being the most expensive one at the same time.

Great.

 

[Myths]

It's strange that the 4070ti is between a 3090 and a 3090ti, and this presumed 4060ti would be at 3070 level, big gap here. Though, it would leave room for a 4070 at 3080 level...

There is a lot of overlapping too. Entry level current more powerful or comparable to mid tier last and such

 

[scydrex]

I'd rather pay an extra $100-$150 for a 4070 with 2 GB more VRAM, frame generation and much better power efficiency.

Have Nvidia released the price of the 4070? The 4070ti is $850 to $1,000 for 12gb the 4070 will probably have less vram, less cores and $100 or $150 cheaper.

 

[lmimmfn]

Guys, those leather jackets don't pay for themselves!!!!!

 

[SmokedMeat]

Nice to hear the $499 4060ti will be like the $500 3070.

Nvidia really delivering the value.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Isn't 8GB vram already a problem in some games?

 

[SmokedMeat]

Is the CPU market that much better? For a CPU you have to also buy a motherboard, RAM and a cooler.
Motherboard prices are up. DDR5 is more expensive than DDR4. CPU cooler prices also seem higher than they used to be too.

CPU prices have been dropping at retail for some time.

GPU prices haven’t really dropped below msrp unless you’re talking the really high end. We’ve still got retailers pedaling 3090 cards for more than a 4070ti.

 

[Black_Stride]

Have Nvidia released the price of the 4070? The 4070ti is $850 to $1,000 for 12gb the 4070 will probably have less vram, less cores and $100 or $150 cheaper.

The 4070 uses the same chip as the 4070Ti so same VRAM, it just has less cores.
I wouldnt be shocked if the 4070 is 700 MSRP....meaning the 4070 would MSRP the same as the 3080......and would perform the same as the 3080.
Total stagnation.

Hell even if they price it at 600 MSRP, 3080'12G are going for 5 - 600 dollars right now.
And the 3080 will perform better with its much wider bus at 1440p and 2160p.

Nice to hear the $499 4060ti will be like the $500 3070.

Nvidia really delivering the value.

Nope thats even wishful thinking.

At $499 the 4060Ti will perform like the $399 3060Ti'G6X.

 

[The Skull]

Piss poor price/performance. Between Nvidia robbing us blind and AMD constantly messing up when they look to have a promising product, is our last hope that Intel provides some competition?

 

[Xyphie]

160W TBP GPU with ~35cm long 4-slot cooler, no doubt.

 

[Spyxos]

So the 4090 is the only interesting card from this generation. Not that I would ever buy it or even be able to afford it.

 

[Black_Stride]

Is the CPU market that much better? For a CPU you have to also buy a motherboard, RAM and a cooler.
Motherboard prices are up. DDR5 is more expensive than DDR4. CPU cooler prices also seem higher than they used to be too.

Before AMD started slashing prices on Zen4 you had to spend a ludicrous amount even if you just wanted a piddly 6-Core Zen4 rig.

And flagship mainstream CPUs these days are $700, it used to be $350 for the flagship mainstream CPU.

The CPU market is much much much better than the GPU market right now.
For gaming there is no real benefit going to DDR5 right now.
The 12400, 5600, 12600K, 5600X, 5800X3D are still world beater CPUs, you dont need to buy a 13900K or 7950X to basically max out your GPU (unless you have a 4090 then no CPU will max that out)
If you have a 4K120 panel your CPU isnt whats holding you back....again unless you have a 4090....so the CPU market is in a really good place.
Non-X CPUs, non-K CPUs, DDR4.....we eating well.

Decent CPU coolers cost like 50 dollars effectively the same as 10 years ago.
The Hyper 212 I got in 2012 for my 2500K has been multiple "evolutions" which have effectively just been socket adapters and its still viable for the 5600X or even a 5800X3D....in theory i could pull the Hyper 212 off my 2500K use the new adpators and put it on a 12500 and it would work totally fine.....10 generations later the same coolers do the same shit.......cool CPUs so NO the prices havent gone up, they remained the same and new players in the AIO space have made water cooling cheaper than ever........I just never water cool.
You can get a twin tower cooler for like 60 dollars and literally never worry about it.

 

[The Cockatrice]

This might be a nice jump from a 2080 for me, so I might consider it.

4070ti is the perfect jump for you if you can find it at decent prices. Its the 1440p GPU for at least 4 years.

 

[64gigabyteram]

The GPU market is ALREADY going through the same shit the CPU market did during Intel's dominance


the 3060ti was one of the greatest GPUs ever made, 1080ti performance with DLSS2 features and superior Raytracing.
we went from that to.... 1080ti performance with DLSS3 features and Superior Raytracing.

For the performance uplift the 4090 gave us over the 3090 (and the prices that we have now) i would expect the 4060ti to at the very least be 3090 performance. Yes it sounds ludicrous, no i dont give a shit thats what gpu jumps are supposed to do. Why upgrade from ampere at all if the price to performace is gonna be virtually identical lower down in the stack?

 

[SmokedMeat]

So the 4090 is the only interesting card from this generation. Not that I would ever buy it or even be able to afford it.

I think the 4070ti and AMD’s cards are nice. Just not at those prices.

 

[Spyxos]

I think the 4070ti and AMD’s cards are nice. Just not at those prices.

I have a 3060ti and a 3070 so 4070ti isn't worth it for me and, as you say, at this price that is ridiculous.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

$500 for a 8GB card in 2023 sounds ridiculous IMO.
I wonder how fast the Navi 33 / RX 7600 XT will be at 150-200W, and how it will be priced. It seems to be getting close to the RX 6700 in performance but with a smaller die and higher clock, despite using TSMC's older and much cheaper N6.

If AMD decides to launch that card at $250-300 we could finally start seeing other chips being pushed down.

 

[Skifi28]

And now we know why they rushed DLSS3 out. Without it some of these cards are completely pointless.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

And now we know why they rushed DLSS3 out. Without it some of these cards are completely pointless.

If FSR3 is anything like FSR2 (i.e. compute based, available to all GPUs and with similar performance/quality to DLSS3), then by the time it releases all these cards will be completely pointless at their current price.

 

[64gigabyteram]

If FSR3 is anything like FSR2 (i.e. compute based, available to all GPUs and with similar performance/quality to DLSS3), then by the time it releases all these cards will be completely pointless at their current price.

not without a response to DLSS's frame generation

 

[ToTTenTranz]

not without a response to DLSS's frame generation

FSR3 is exactly that.

AMD FSR 3 – AMD plans to release a new version of AMD FSR featuring AMD Fluid Motion Frames technology in 2023, expected to deliver up to 2X more FPS compared to AMD FSR 2 in select games13.

It's frame interpolation using the motion vectors they're already using with FSR2.


BTW, AMD has had "Fluid Motion" / Frame interpolation for video in their drivers for several years:

 

[crackajack]

Prices are just weird right now and for years.
Since the 1650 nvidia does not really compete at all in the low budget market. A consumer A2000 (3060mobile clocked) would have been great to follow the 1060 intead of the weirdly named 20 gen card.
AMD's lack of efficiency shows right there the most. With a laughable RX6400 or an already quite thirsty 6500, their bascially free Vega's in their APUs delivering decent fps but are way too small to actually provide good level of performance. DGpu entry still start at seriously outdated 1650 and above we already ask for 400-500? WTF!

Intel might actually be the savior we need. More in line with nVidia at upscaling and RT at prices of AMD, with drivers that need some work here and there, though while very late to the party, challenging only last gen models. But going forward, with more rebar enabled mainboards, and improving legacy support it should at least support the sad failing fight of AMD. Or cripple AMD's market share and actually not bother nVidia.

 

[Amiga]

For $350 a good 1440p card. Anymore more would not be worth it. All card prices need to come WAY down...

For that price the Intel Arc a770 is the best option IMOO. The drivers are improving steadily and raw power is giveaway for the price.

 

[SportsFan581]

And flagship mainstream CPUs these days are $700, it used to be $350 for the flagship mainstream CPU.

On what planet? AMD and Intel both added the 9 series (r9 and i9) into the mix, but the existing 5 and 7 series (the real mainstream players in gaming) haven't seen anywhere near that kind of price creep.

 

[night13x]

hah. I remember the old days were $500 got you a high end card. Now you get a budget gaming card. Is what it is.

Hopefully with AMD being somewhat competitive again this will change the price structure next round.

 

[Black_Stride]

For that price the Intel Arc a770 is the best option IMOO. The drivers are improving steadily and raw power is giveaway for the price.

The A770 is an unsung hero.
Launching with those atrocious drivers killed alot of the hype, and you know how first impressions are everything.
But that card is an absolute workhorse.
If I was building a midranger PC right now, I would certainly be taking a very very serious look at the A770.
Especially with its amazing Raytracing performance.
With Nvidia midrange cards still asking a premium its a legit option and Intel can moneyhat more games to support XeSS so things should be good going forward.

And before people jump at me that for legacy APIs the A770 is trash tier.
Not anymore.

Im so looking forward to the B770.
I really hope its atleast 4070 or 4070Ti level.

 

[Leonidas]

The CPU market is much much much better than the GPU market right now.

Since you only talk about gaming performance, Zen4 and Raptor Lake only showed marginal improvement over Alder Lake.

I wouldn't call that great. You bringing up old CPUs doesn't change that fact. Some last gen GPUs are good value right now too.

I wish there was a CPU that increased gaming performance by 30-50% every generation...

On what planet? AMD and Intel both added the 9 series (r9 and i9) into the mix, but the existing 5 and 7 series (the real mainstream players in gaming) haven't seen anywhere near that kind of price creep.

So you ignore the flagship CPUs? Why not try doing that with the GPUs outside your price range?

 

[GHG]

Yep Nvidia are now doing what Intel did in the mid 2010's.

 

[scydrex]

The 4070 uses the same chip as the 4070Ti so same VRAM, it just has less cores.
I wouldnt be shocked if the 4070 is 700 MSRP....meaning the 4070 would MSRP the same as the 3080......and would perform the same as the 3080.
Total stagnation.

Hell even if they price it at 600 MSRP, 3080'12G are going for 5 - 600 dollars right now.
And the 3080 will perform better with its much wider bus at 1440p and 2160p.

Nope thats even wishful thinking.

At $499 the 4060Ti will perform like the $399 3060Ti'G6X.

Prefer to buy a 3080 used and not give my money yo Nvidia.

 

[Leonidas]

The 4070ti is $850 to $1,000 for 12gb

4070 Ti has been in stock at $800 every day that I've checked since launch at Newegg. Cheapest model on Best Buy right now is $830 in stock.

 

[Orta]

I think its fair to say that the 4 series has been a monumental fuck up from nVidia.

The likes of Sega, Atari or 3D0 would be proud.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

The A770 is an unsung hero.
Launching with those atrocious drivers killed alot of the hype, and you know how first impressions are everything.
But that card is an absolute workhorse.
If I was building a midranger PC right now, I would certainly be taking a very very serious look at the A770.
Especially with its amazing Raytracing performance.
With Nvidia midrange cards still asking a premium its a legit option and Intel can moneyhat more games to support XeSS so things should be good going forward.

And before people jump at me that for legacy APIs the A770 is trash tier.
Not anymore.

Im so looking forward to the B770.
I really hope its atleast 4070 or 4070Ti level.

Perhaps Intel should do a relaunch of the Arc 700 GPUs, with higher clocks, higher TDP, and lower MRSP.
Put a 5 at the end of the name and enjoy the reviews with the more recent drivers.

 

[dave_d]

Why is the CPU market so much better? Purely the smaller chip sizes?
I'm just seeing people being rinsed. Less diminishing returns at the high end which is great for some with deeper pocket but makes me think the mid range is getting shafted or the low end is going to be priced out of the market. Higher margins at the high end, slimmer lower down has been the way it works, made up for by relative volume of sales.

I'm assuming it's something to do with everybody that needs a computer needs a cpu but not everybody that needs a computer needs a GPU. (No idea what percentage of people with a PC/laptop are using integrated graphics.)

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Why is the CPU market so much better? Purely the smaller chip sizes?

CPUs were largely unaffected by the crypto craze of 2021-2022, plus there's good competition between AMD and Intel at the moment.

I believe GPUs are also going to crash in price during this year. The prices are only high because Nvidia is probably holding stock of RTX30 cards/chips to force as much people as possible to buy their RTX40 cards (with AMD riding the wave), but eventually they'll need to either let those out or write down a ton in GPU inventory.

They certainly can't hold this volume forever:

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I think the 4070ti and AMD’s cards are nice. Just not at those prices.

Yeah, these new cards are all pretty cool but price kills everything. My 3060ti is going to have to last me quite a long time.

Having played on PC since like I was a wee lad in the late 90s these prices kill it for me lately with PC gaming. In 2 generations we have effectively doubled pricing especially on the higher end of things. 2060 and 3060 weren't too awfully far off from each other, but the 2080 launched at $700 I believe and it nearly double now. It's crazy.

 

[SportsFan581]

So you ignore the flagship CPUs? Why not try doing that with the GPUs outside your price range?

I'm not ignoring them at all, but the prices haven't increased much on them either. They simply represent a new product above the old. The i9/r9 did not take the place of the 5/7 series but are just additional products on the top.

There are no CPU classes that were once $350 that are now $700, that's imaginary nonsense. We were talking about performance improvements at specific price points, which the CPUs are still doing good work of. There has been some price creep but not a lot.

In 8 years the i5 line has gone from $243 to $320 for the K sku, while the i7 has gone from $350 to $409. Some creep, but nothing outrages, plus there have always been clean gen over gen gains (even the 10 to 15% we used to complain about is almost impressive in comparison to the GPU market).

 

[Haint]

I think its fair to say that the 4 series has been a monumental fuck up from nVidia.

The likes of Sega, Atari or 3D0 would be proud.

Not really. The new prices are so high they can sell 1/3rd the volume and still have profits and revenue on par or exceeding prior generations. The 4090 alone is a 200%+ margin part (with a single unit sell representing the profits of fifteen 3060 sells), which has for an entire quarter sold every single unit produced literally within seconds. The 4080 and 4070 aren't seeing that kind of demand, but also enjoy triple digit margins, and are still selling increasingly decent numbers as buyers realize they have no reasonable alternatives. The lower end cards will no doubt follow suit.

What you guys haven't realized is that Nvidia doesn't want to sell physical cards to poors and middles. They're not dumb or failing, this is by design. They want you paying them $20+/mo in perpetuity for your Geforce Now rental, like your apartment and auto lease. They're still happy to sell $2000 parts to the elite class, who'll replace them every single generation without batting an eye cause they make $20k+ a month.

 

[PhoenixTank]

I'll compare 40-series to the 3080 (and lower tier 30-series cards) when the 40-series reach those price brackets.

So glad I made graphs to illustrate a point for it to be ignored. We're in that thread right now. Wanna wait until we all have actual prices & performance? No problem.

Is the CPU market that much better? For a CPU you have to also buy a motherboard, RAM and a cooler.
Motherboard prices are up. DDR5 is more expensive than DDR4. CPU cooler prices also seem higher than they used to be too.

Before AMD started slashing prices on Zen4 you had to spend a ludicrous amount even if you just wanted a piddly 6-Core Zen4 rig.

And flagship mainstream CPUs these days are $700, it used to be $350 for the flagship mainstream CPU.

PCIE 5 is very expensive from what I can tell but I expect it to come down. DDR4 budget builds are still there on Intel for now, but new DDR tech is always expensive - we've just had DDR4 for aaaages. Depending on requirements bundled coolers are available for budget parts. Not always ideal, but they're there. The cheap but better aftermarket coolers are there still about the same last I checked.

X3D stuff aside, flagships from each CPU series don't provide THAT much more for gaming than the acceptably priced midrange. Which is my whole point. They provide very very nice bumps for MT workloads but otherwise the gains diminish.
9900K was ~$500 4 gens ago. 13900K is ~$600 and basically ye olde workstation class. 6700K was what $350 on the mainstream socket? Back when generation to generation the gains had basically stopped. My i7 enthusiast socket 980X from... 2010 was closely priced to my 3950X.
13600K is in that same price bracket that you're looking back on wistfully and is wayyy more of a beast. To say nothing of how incredibly priced high performance MT CPUs are now. You'd be looking at thousands for the conventional core count HEDT stuff before. That class of parts has been forced into the mainstream segments as a net positive for the consumer.

I'm assuming it's something to do with everybody that needs a computer needs a cpu but not everybody that needs a computer needs a GPU. (No idea what percentage of people with a PC/laptop are using integrated graphics.)

Semi-rhetorically: wouldn't the guaranteed demand allow them to fuck around with the prices more than the GPU market? Yes economies of scale exist and make things cheaper as long as supply can meet demand. Why is the GPU market putting on this "woe is me, sorry fewwows I can't sell you cheap GPUs any more " act?

CPUs were largely unaffected by the crypto craze of 2021-2022, plus there's good competition between AMD and Intel at the moment.

I believe GPUs are also going to crash in price during this year. The prices are only high because Nvidia is probably holding stock of RTX30 cards/chips to force as much people as possible to buy their RTX40 cards (with AMD riding the wave), but eventually they'll need to either let those out or write down a ton in GPU inventory.

They certainly can't hold this volume forever:

Exactly. They're still hopped up on GPU mining fumes while CPUs have actual competition and a market that will actually opt for better value parts from either manufacturer.

 

[Senua]

Pathetic card

 

[dave_d]

Semi-rhetorically: wouldn't the guaranteed demand allow them to fuck around with the prices more than the GPU market? Yes economies of scale exist and make things cheaper as long as supply can meet demand. Why is the GPU market putting on this "woe is me, sorry fewwows I can't sell you cheap GPUs any more " act?

I'm guessing but a lot of it is probably because since everybody needs a cpu now we have other entities stepping in buying the cpu's and if you screw with them they have the ability to make life painful for you if you go too nuts. What I mean is Microsoft, Apple, Sony, and Dell all need CPUs and they can do something if you try to ream them. If you mess with them too much they have the ability to switch to other CPUs such as ARM and Power-PC. Also for most users something like a 3770k is more than fine. The GPU market is different for the simple fact that the people that are buying them care about having top performance and can't work as a group to control prices. PC builders are effectively piggy-backing off of them. An effect that wouldn't be there for GPUs. But that's all a guess.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Not really. The new prices are so high they can sell 1/3rd the volume and still have profits and revenue on par or exceeding prior generations. The 4090 alone is a 200%+ margin part, and has for an entire quarter sold every single unit produced literally within seconds. The 4080 and 4070 aren't seeing that kind of demand, but also enjoy triple digit margins, and are still selling increasingly decent numbers as buyers realize they have no reasonable alternatives. The lower end cards will no doubt follow suit.

What you guys haven't realized is that Nvidia doesn't want to sell physical cards to poors and middles. They're not dumb or failing, this is by design. They want you paying them $20+/mo in perpetuity for your Geforce Now rental, like your apartment and auto lease. They're still happy to sell $2000 parts to the elite class, who'll replace them every single generation without batting an eye cause they make $20k+ a month.

Nah, Nvidia just thinks they can continue selling cards as if we’re miners. Like we’ll just fall in line and accept their gouging.

Also claiming they’re selling “increasingly decent numbers” is something you pulled out of your ass. This garbage is readily available unlike in the past where cards were very difficult to find at launch.

 

[SmokSmog]

This is what happens when there is no competition

If we got the same SM ration on Ada as Ampere then:

RTX 4090 would have been RTX 4080Ti
RTX 4080 would have been RTX 4070
RTX 4070Ti would have been 4060Ti
RTX 4060Ti would have been RTX 4050

But there is no competition, Navi31 is weak cuz it competes with mid range chip ( AD103) and both AMD and Nvidia are price fixing.
In normal world the 7900XT would have been 7800 for 600$ and 7900XTX would have been 7800XT for 750$. AMD just don't want to compete.

 

[Haint]

Nah, Nvidia just thinks they can continue selling cards as if we’re miners. Like we’ll just fall in line and accept their gouging.

Also claiming they’re selling “increasingly decent numbers” is something you pulled out of your ass. This garbage is readily available unlike in the past where cards were very difficult to find at launch.

An informed ass pull, based on the fact the cards near FE MSRP are usually sold out, and sell out fast. Like it or not, a lot of people are still buying 4080s and 4070s.

 

[PnCIa]

The A770 is an unsung hero.
Launching with those atrocious drivers killed alot of the hype, and you know how first impressions are everything.
But that card is an absolute workhorse.
If I was building a midranger PC right now, I would certainly be taking a very very serious look at the A770.
Especially with its amazing Raytracing performance.
With Nvidia midrange cards still asking a premium its a legit option and Intel can moneyhat more games to support XeSS so things should be good going forward.

And before people jump at me that for legacy APIs the A770 is trash tier.
Not anymore.

Im so looking forward to the B770.
I really hope its atleast 4070 or 4070Ti level.

Do you know how forcing aa/af works? I had a very mediocre/bad experience with a 6700xt which i bought and then sent back quickly after realizing how bad forcing aa is on amd.

 

[01011001]

The A770 is an unsung hero.
Launching with those atrocious drivers killed alot of the hype, and you know how first impressions are everything.
But that card is an absolute workhorse.
If I was building a midranger PC right now, I would certainly be taking a very very serious look at the A770.
Especially with its amazing Raytracing performance.
With Nvidia midrange cards still asking a premium its a legit option and Intel can moneyhat more games to support XeSS so things should be good going forward.

And before people jump at me that for legacy APIs the A770 is trash tier.
Not anymore.

Im so looking forward to the B770.
I really hope its atleast 4070 or 4070Ti level.

at this point I'm certainly more interested in what Intel does than in what AMD does.

RDNA3 was such a letdown that I kinda think it will take a long time until AMD becomes competitive again.

 

[Trogdor1123]

I'd rather pay an extra $100-$150 for a 4070 with 2 GB more VRAM, frame generation and much better power efficiency.

Where can you get a 470 for $600-650?

 

[SportsFan581]

Where can you get a 470 for $600-650?

I think he was talking about the hypothetical rtx4070 that hasn't released yet. It should be the rough equivalent of the 3080 and be overpriced at $600 - $650.

 

[Leonidas]

I'm not ignoring them at all, but the prices haven't increased much on them either. They simply represent a new product above the old. The i9/r9 did not take the place of the 5/7 series but are just additional products on the top.

There are no CPU classes that were once $350 that are now $700, that's imaginary nonsense. We were talking about performance improvements at specific price points, which the CPUs are still doing good work of. There has been some price creep but not a lot.

In 8 years the i5 line has gone from $243 to $320 for the K sku, while the i7 has gone from $350 to $409. Some creep, but nothing outrages, plus there have always been clean gen over gen gains (even the 10 to 15% we used to complain about is almost impressive in comparison to the GPU market).

I think it's safe to say we'll get 10-15% improvement at the lower end of GPUs. Will you still complain about the prices if you get 10-15% more performance for the same price as last gen GPUs or the same price as last gen cards for 10-15% less money?

Wanna wait until we all have actual prices & performance? No problem.

Yes I'll wait. And I don't think I'll be disappointed. I want 10-15% at the same price or the same performance at a 10-15% discount from previous gen. That would be a good launch, and not stagnation, to me, given the current climate.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

RDNA3 was such a letdown that I kinda think it will take a long time until AMD becomes competitive again.

These statements crack me up every time.

RDNA3 is "such a letdown" compared to what? They're not a letdown compared to Ada chips, considering it's using smaller chips (higher yields) on a cheaper process to achieve similar performance at a lower cost.

Is it such a letdown compared to the ridiculous performance numbers previously made up by "leakers", which then had to make up new ridiculous "leaks" to explain why their first numbers ever came to fruition?
Does that include complaining about stuff they have no idea what they're talking about, such as complaining about the A0 stepping?



Guys, never forget how to be a "successful" internet troll leaker:

1 - Make up Leak #1 consisted of ridiculous claims, such as "RDNA3 reaches 4GHz, will kill Nvidia's 600mm^2 chip with a die size half as big".

2 - When Leak #1 doesn't happen, make up Leak #2 consisted of reports of even more ridiculous claims, such as "AMD engineers failed so bad on reaching Leak #1 performance figures, it's all their fault because their target was my Leak #1 which was totally legit." but then be sure to leave a hook, like "BUT there will be a refresh where RDNA3 reaches 4GHz after AMD engineers stop failing". This will make people think your leak was actually true for some more time.

3 - When it's obvious that Leak #2 won't happen, just make up another Leak #3 where AMD engineers are painted as the ones at fault again: "OMG the refresh failed as well, AMD engineers are super bad at not making 4GHz GPUs which should be super easy, I hope all these guys get fired geez".


And so on. Just make sure to keep making up new leaks that explain why all the previous leaks never came to life, preferably in a way that paints AMD as the guilty party for no leak every coming to fruition, and you're good to go.