for some reason, I thought of this:
Good God almighty! Good God almighty! That killed him! As God as my witness he is broken in half! Good ole JR
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United Airlines violently drags a doctor off a plane so employee could take his seat
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for some reason, I thought of this:
Good God almighty! Good God almighty! That killed him! As God as my witness he is broken in half! Good ole JR
guybrushfreeman
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I'm saying he had the 'right' to be there and that's true. T&Cs can say whatever they want they aren't the law. It's not clear that it would be legal to deny service to someone by force just because of T&Cs
StopMakingSense
Member
What's with your hard on for comparing the man's actions to criminal trespassing.
IISANDERII
Member
It's America, the policy will be enhanced so that lethal force may be used and the costs associated will be billed to the next of kin.
Interesting hearing people bad mouth American. I've only ever flown them internationally but they've always been fine. Not great, but fine. Better than Aer Lingus and British Airways who fly the same routes that I use - and I've been flying those routes on those three airlines for more than 25 years.
I'm guessing it's because their long-haul staff are the higher paid ones who've 'made it' and as such aren't pissed off or lackadaisical. But in terms of meeting me at the gate with a whole new rebooked itinerary and restaurant vouchers etc when arriving to an airport for a connection after a weather delay? American has done that for me multiple times.
I'm guessing it's because their long-haul staff are the higher paid ones who've 'made it' and as such aren't pissed off or lackadaisical. But in terms of meeting me at the gate with a whole new rebooked itinerary and restaurant vouchers etc when arriving to an airport for a connection after a weather delay? American has done that for me multiple times.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
looks like he might have a serious head injury that affected his memory. or he's got a serious fear of the police from a previous trauma perhaps? Maybe that's why he was resisting so much.its really sad things went down like that and he was hurt.
Veritigo_X
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Hmmm
https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/851483927969583104
Harry McCracken @harrymccracken
Side note: United CEO Oscar Munoz used to work at Pepsi.
https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/851483927969583104
Lord Fagan
Junior Member
Interfering with the police performing their job as ordered is called obstruction of justice, which is a felony.
The real question is why did the police escalate to physically removing him? There were other solutions, and I'm thinking that doubling that cash offer past the psychological number of four figures is one fine option that wasn't exercised.
Audioboxer
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Airline aviation "law" does indeed allow both voluntary and mandatory overboarding requests. Both of which have compensation settlements for the travelers. My suggestion earlier to UA is when you randomly pick someone who is very adamant they aren't leaving it might just be best to move onto someone else. All while making it clear to the whole plane it's not taking off till some people accept compensation and a later flight. That's how you handle this mess, not calling on security and dragging someone off a flight.
Chittagong
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United is such a shit airline. On my last flight, they tried to aggressively downgrade me to Economy to 'fit the flight instead of being bumped out and waiting a day'.
I stood my ground, told the rep I consider selling economy seats as business class seats fraud and that I refuse the downgrade, and eventually I got on the flight, on the business class seat I paid for.
Needless to say, I will never fly United again.
I stood my ground, told the rep I consider selling economy seats as business class seats fraud and that I refuse the downgrade, and eventually I got on the flight, on the business class seat I paid for.
Needless to say, I will never fly United again.
Good grief. Just in case United didn't look terrible enough, here's the CPD to remind everyone that police statements are utter horseshit 90% of the time.
When I was flying from O'Hare back to TO, they were offering I think $400? or so to get bumped off and just take the next flight.
I was considering it, but was worried about the weather in TO and what these fuckers at the airlines was offering me. If it was vouchers, would've told them to fuck off. Fuck United.
I was considering it, but was worried about the weather in TO and what these fuckers at the airlines was offering me. If it was vouchers, would've told them to fuck off. Fuck United.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
I agree with you, I would rather have a couple of empty seats than overbook. But greed has taken over the airline industry. Passengers are just cattle at this point. Even with that in mind, there is NO WAY things should get to this point. Especially for some employees of the airline. Calling the cops because you overbooked the flight? Tell those employees they are going to have to be the ones inconvenienced.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Damn political cartoonists are fast...
Impotaku
Member
They love sucking that corporate dick, right down to the hilt.
Because heaven forbid you might momentarily think you could tell them your side of the story and that they might just listen and try to act as fair arbitrators who try to arrive at a settlement amicable to both sides, rather than just act as goons for hire for the corporation that summoned them.
thehypocrite
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Free markets at work.
2Smashed4U
Banned
Wouldn't be GAF if there weren't people devils advocating for this shit.
the extremely tangible and physical hand of the free market
Snkfanatic
Banned
What the....is this actually funny to someone?
My god man before my grandmother passed I remember taking her to the airport getting her set and to the gate (pre-911). She spoke no English. If they tried to get her off the plane I'm sure she would be scared and confused. This kind of thing is crazy that it wasn't caught early. What kind of business prioritizes employees to this extent?
Why aren't the worst seats on the plane in the back exclusively left for standby and/or employees and once everyone checks in if those seats are empty your guys get a free flight.
Why aren't the worst seats on the plane in the back exclusively left for standby and/or employees and once everyone checks in if those seats are empty your guys get a free flight.
nature boy
Member
Unless they're chronically incompetent, they'll make sure this doesn't happen again in the next couple of weeks.
If people expect to fly united again that doesn't sound like a bad deal actually
I mean, United and American have pretty much shown that they are in fact chronically incompetent.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
The amazing thing is that a free market could have fixed the problem!
None of the passengers were willing to give up their seat for an $800 voucher, but had United kept increasing the offer, eventually they would have had the 4 takers they needed. Instead, United called in the goons to manhandle a passenger. It's just absurd.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
There is ALWAYS a defense force. No matter what the situation, the defense force pops up. I tend to think much of it is just an attempt to be contrarian though.
s_mirage
Member
Just guessing but I'd bet on poor management. Perhaps a manager only realised, or was informed of, the problem as the plane was boarding. If it was their responsibility to make sure that staff got to another location, they probably made a panicked last minute decision. Customer service? To hell with that, their ass is on the line... Kick someone off!
No evidence whatsoever, but it wouldn't surprise me if it went down something like that. Kicking off paying customers to accommodate the transportation of staff is disgusting, and it certainly shouldn't happen once the aircraft has boarded.
BlastProcessing
Member
Yeah, but where's the tongue in cheek joke? I don't want to tell you how to do your job, but maybe you could make fun of the way he's holding on to that curtain like some sort of desperate baby? Or maybe something about his accent? That stuff always kills.
Where be your gibes now? Your gambols? Your songs? Your flashes of merriment, that were wont to set the table on a roar? How are you going to make light of human suffering in the name of excusing authoritarianism without some classic tongue in cheek yuck yucks?
BronsonLee
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Why would you put the Persona 5 UI on the passenger, he doesn't have a gun, a Persona, or anything
The most delicious airline
The most delicious airline
Morons. A couple of thousand bucks, or millions in litigation? Hmmm.
FinaruDensetsu
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Yeah I always imagine that at least some of the people behind those posts are kids who just attended their very first debate class or just learned some form of "I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" and then perverting it to apply to always taking, what they perceive, to be the underdog side.
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx
It is not your legal right to be there. That's the contract you agree to when you buy a ticket from United.
Or are you going to go all Sovereign Citizen on me? If you tell them you're not flying, you're traveling, does that unlock secret text in the Declaration of Independence that means you can ignore these terms?
That's always going to be a risk when flying. Weather, mechanical failures, even such issues halfway across the country can all interfere with your plans. And they're all far more likely to interfere with your plans than the scenario in this instance.
Don't let this anecdote get you down. Your odds of a successful flight are 98% right now, and if they stopped overselling seats they'd go up to, what, 98.01%? Being on an oversold flight, that nobody's willing to volunteer for, and having your number come up: this is ridiculously unlikely. Not worth worrying about.
Audioboxer
Member
The figure does seem to have a cap, although figures I dug up earlier said $1200. Even at that if no one comes forward then sure, do random picking. If people refuse after being picked move on while reminding the whole plane it is not taking off till 4 people leave. Whatever late fees need paid or charges for sitting on the runway are the fault of the airline to pay. I can assure you eventually people will accept decent compensation if the whole plane is left in a stalemate stating no take off. The worst case scenario here should be the flight ending in complete cancellation before anyone is dragged down an aisle.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Yeah, I agree. Poor logistics and management is probably the culprit here. I mean, they originally only asked for 1 volunteer, then increased it to 4 after everyone had boarded. The flight was minutes from taking off, and they just realized they needed to get 3 more employees to Louisville on it? Extremely poor planning.
MisterR
Member
This country really was ruined on 9/11.
what has happened to me is that when trying to check-in online, the site misteriously says "unable to check-in online, please talk to one of our employees at the airport".
at that point you know it's overbooked and that you'll be greeted with "sorry, it's overbooked, will put you in the next flight".
like you say, noone ever gets to board and then be removed, that's insane.
Can't make this shit up
Wooooow. CPD gonna CPD. CPD is the worst police department I've ever had to deal with when it comes to getting something done. They just do not give a shit and are so apathetic about the issue like you're inconveniencing them by asking them to do their job.
A window of opportunity for being allowed to fly without being accosted measured in weeks. What a world we've created.
macfoshizzle
Member
I think the airline has the right to remove him as stated by the airline. If he refuse to leave, they have the right to forcefully remove him as federal law says all passengers must obey the flight crew. I don't know what the outrage is here. They were all doing their jobs. The man needed to get the fuck out.
You guys can't be for real..
Frankfurter
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Please be sarcasm. Please be sarcasm... pleasee
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