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[kaskade]

If Nate Sliver predicts this election as accurately as he did last time does he basically become the king of electoral predictions?

 

[BadAss2961]

Hardly. I genuinely like Cain, which is more than I can say about any other candidate.

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

I don't know... He has a black wife, he rallied with Jay-Z yesterday, and what's he doing before the results come in? Playing basketball.

 

[grimshawish]

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

Wow. Just fucking wow.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Hardly. I genuinely like Cain, which is more than I can say about any other candidate.

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

Oh, so now he "acts white."

Thanks for confirming you're a racist, mclaren. Not that I'm surprised, but it's whatever.

 

[GregLombardi]

everybody look at the Katy Perry pic and calm down

hmmmm skintight

What if GAF'ers don't prefer that gender...

 

[Bisnic]

Hardly. I genuinely like Cain, which is more than I can say about any other candidate.

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

Well, that's one unusual way to not like Obama... he's too "white".

 

[Hitokage]

Someone should probably get started on a new election thread, mclaren just ruined this one.

There's been trolling since the start.

Ride it out! It's only some ice in the water.

 

[pantsmith]

My decision has been made and I voted for the guy I personally liked best, regardless of political views.

I was actually going to write in for Herman Cain, half-jokingly, back when I though this race wasn't going to be close. Though I didn't agree with him, I thought he was earnest, and funny, and also someone incapable of deceiving me in any great way. I hope somewhere out there in the multiverse Herman Cain was elected President (I just wouldn't want to live there)

My big position this year was wanting to make sure my gay/female friends wouldnt lose any of the progress they've made, or their progress to come, and also that I'd have health care readily available to me if I turn 26 and don't have a job that offers me any. I looked into all of the candidates on my ballot, and sadly most of the Republican candidates had allied themselves with the "crazy" section of the party, which I simply cannot back in good faith.

Politically I'm a moderate on most issues, in that I believe both sides have the "right" answer so long as they work together, but socially I just don't believe a lot of these politicians have any right to deny American citizens human rights. So yeah.

I hand selected each and every one of my votes, which spread across two parties today. Feels good.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Hardly. I genuinely like Cain, which is more than I can say about any other candidate.

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

You've already been quoted to death, but people like you are the problem. I hope you realize that someday.

 

[Dash27]

Don't know if its been answered, but when should UK-Gaf expect results? Around 4/5am?

Final results? We'll start to know in maybe 4 hours from now. 1am GMT. If Florida Virginia or NC go to Obama it's over early. If not then have to see how it plays out.

 

[Carlisle]

I honestly believe they set it up like this against all reason and existing data so that when it doesn't happen, it appears to be shocking and the result of malfeasance.

Yup. It'll be that Obama and the liberals pulled something and got the mainstream media false numbers and poor old honest Fox News will be drowned out.

 

[el retorno]

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

WTF

 

[Anton Sugar]

Hardly. I genuinely like Cain, which is more than I can say about any other candidate.

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

 

[Wilbur]

Final results? We'll start to know in maybe 4 hours from now. 1am GMT. If Florida Virginia or NC go to Obama it's over early. If not then have to see how it plays out.

That early? Fantastic, cheers.

 

[Tex117]

mclaren777:
What state did you vote in?

 

[Futureman]

If Nate Sliver predicts this election as accurately as he did last time does he basically become the king of electoral predictions?

has he done other races since the last presidential? How close was he in 2008??

 

[Glorified G]

What.

Just how do you expect a black man to act?

Ever watch BET? That's how!

Oh, so now he "acts white."

Thanks for confirming you're a racist, mclaren. Not that I'm surprised, but it's whatever.

Not all Republicans are racist. But if you are a racist, you're probably a Republican.

 

[Flying Toaster]

mclaren777:
What state did you vote in?

The state of confusion.

 

[TheKaeptain]

How is it possible that you guys have 6 hour lines to vote?

As a Canadian... that is mind boggling.

I've never seen lines like that.

 

[SteveWinwood]

The state of confusion.

Land of confusion is a good song.

 

[pigeon]

Florida:
Polling average 47.6 48.3 Romney +0.7
Adjusted polling average 48.3 48.1 Obama +0.2
.....come the fuck on Nate

That's the weighting. Florida got polled by some severely right-leaning polling outfits in the last few days. Mason-Dixon, for example, has been five or six points off the polling average this cycle.

 

[Carlisle]

haha... wow... srs?


So... how does the election work for people who live in Washington DC since it isn't a state?

DC still has 3 electors, even though it doesn't have any congressional representatives. That's why there are 538 electoral votes and 535 congresspeople.

 

[PoweredBySoy]

What if GAF'ers don't prefer that gender...

Then you get Wolf Blitzer.

 

[Alchemy]

I can't focus on work today at all. Fuck.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

No. It's a vote removed from the potential pool. If the tally is five votes for "A" to six for "B", his non-vote doesn't help "A" out at all.

Not voting is still voicing an opinion, it doesn't just remove you from the system. You can't escape the system, it just doesn't work that way. Low turnout effects the results in various directions, indirectly.

You can't escape the system. This can't be said enough. Not voicing an opinion doesn't get you out of the responsibility, you are still to blame for whatever happens.

 

[Josh7289]

That early? Fantastic, cheers.

I honestly don't think we'll have a clear idea that early on.

 

[edible_candle]

Hardly. I genuinely like Cain, which is more than I can say about any other candidate.

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

So our first black president should act like a stereotype?

Edit: slightly beaten

 

[Dark_AnNiaLatOr]

That's just Obama acting so he can appeal to the whites. Anyone who gave Jay Z the HOOD dap (Kind of like a universal black mans handshake) on camera INSTINCTUALLY is black and has a large penis.

Is there a video of that anywhere? I'm trying to find it, but I'm failing. btw I'm talking about the handshake.

 

[eznark]

How is it possible that you guys have 6 hour lines to vote?

As a Canadian... that is mind boggling.

Where are there six hour lines?

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

I'll give it a shot. You come into existence on a moving train. You and the rest of the passengers can vote on whether or not the switch gets flipped that puts the train on track B. Track B leads to a cliff. Easy choice, right? Well track A leads to high-voltage electric shock that will fuck you with a vengeance for a good five minutes, but you know you will survive it.

About half the passengers would rather end it, because fuck you Ben Franklin. The other half are asking for your vote because they don't want to die.

Now, you can say "well I never asked to be on this torture/death train in the first place. I will write in my pet Corgi's name on my ballot in protest. Or I'll write in "none of the above".. or I'll write in Ron Paul who everyone else on the train is ignoring, even though he promises to get us out of there unharmed. Therefore you should vote for the shock, because it is a fact that you are either shocked or dead at the end of this experiment, regardless of what the 3rd party says or does. And therefore a no-vote, or a protest vote, gives a little more power to the fuck off and die constituency. The thought goes something like that.

But elections take place every 2 years. There isn't a country in the world where the third party came into being without having to rely on a voter's sensibility over the course of a few elections. By restricting your fears to a two party system, you are ensuring your future and your nation's future in the hand of those two parties.

Things take time. By not voting outside of the two party system, and not campaigning for those third parties, you are leading the problem.

 

[codhand]

Hardly. I genuinely like Cain, which is more than I can say about any other candidate.

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

 

[3rdman]

I don't know... He has a black wife, he rallied with Jay-Z yesterday, and what's he doing before the results come in? Playing basketball.

I hear he had a fried chicken dinner and fresh-cut watermelon for desert. The most impressive part was that he had time to do all this while plotting to bring down America.

 

[heliosRAzi]

 

[Hitokage]

Where are there six hour lines?

Florida. It goes without saying.

 

[Carlisle]

Where are there six hour lines?

Maybe this place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM&feature=youtu.be

 

[Particle Physicist]

Hardly. I genuinely like Cain, which is more than I can say about any other candidate.

Plus, I still feel cheated about Obama being the first African-American president. He might have an African father, but he acts whiter than I do. And I'm white.

This is insanely offensive. Please enlighten us, how is an adult, black male supposed to act?

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

My polling place was at an elementary school library. No lines. Polite people running it. Ballots in nice white folders.

I am in a SoCal suburb.

 

[snacknuts]

has he done other races since the last presidential? How close was he in 2008??

49/50. He only missed Indiana, which was one of the tightest states in the country and has a long history of going red.

 

[KtSlime]

I've never seen lines like that.

Me neither, but my state does mail in ballots, so I have no idea even what a voting booth or its line looks like. I can imagine it is tedious and obnoxious.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Joe Biden is so awesome

As Biden circulated, commenting on customers’ biceps and food choices, one woman had a question for him: “After Obama wins this election are you going to run?”
In response, Biden joked, “Oh, I’m going to go back home and run for county council or something.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../06/biden-ill-run-for-county-council-in-2016/

 

[Hitokage]

Perfect hair.

Upstairs and down.

 

[Sickboy007]

I convinced my girlfriend to go to a pub with a tv, where I'll have to convince the guy to tune in to sky news, just to watch the results.

Don't fail me AmeriGAF!

 

[Wilbur]

I honestly don't think we'll have a clear idea that early on.

Yeah I'd be surprised if it was wrapped up by then, but at least if Florida's coming in around that time you'll get an idea of how its going.

 

[Byakuya769]

Biden's Big Fucking Deals Consulting.

 

[LCfiner]

no surprise that mclaren777 hasn't changed. still offensively racist.

 

[Shambles]

But elections take place every 2 years. There isn't a country in the world where the third party came into being without having to rely on a voter's sensibility over the course of a few elections. By restricting your fears to a two party system, you are ensuring your future and your nation's future in the hand of those two parties.

Things take time. By not voting outside of the two party system, and not campaigning for those third parties, you are leading the problem.

Yup, this circular fear mongering only makes the problem worse when in fact, everyone on the train can vote to pull the brake.

 

[Stumpokapow]

The population is diverse and people have opinions. Some people have different priorities, and some people differ on their opinion in how to best represent them. Calling an honest voter misguided or willfully blind is a tad disrespectful. Single issue voting is a thing.

Remember,

It's not impugning someone's motives when the person doesn't exist. If a poster here wants to say "The only issues I care about are the drone war, human rights abuses in the war on terror, the drug war, and DEA prosecutions of medical marijuana users", I will probe them to see if that's an accurate presentation of their position by asking if specific other issues are germane. I don't think, based on the reasons those issues resonate with people... again, I'm not saying all people are the same, but I'm saying that people who dislike the drone war and feel it is important overwhelmingly have a shared principle that makes the issue significant to them... that any such voter exists. I can point out that I find your hypothetical unrealistic without impugning anyone, and the way I respond to a hypothetical voter is different than the way I'd engage with a real voter.

The rhetoric might differ, but the data hasn't changed much. In many ways, it's just become worse.

There are two reasons why this is reductionist.

First, because the data has changed in some but not all of those issues. The crack sentencing disparity still exists but it has been partially closed by the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, passed by congress and signed by Obama. A hypothetical other president might have vetoed that act, or the composition of the act itself and the degree to which it closed the disparity could have been determined in a conjunction between congress and the president. This is a baby step, and not near enough is being done in criminal justice reform, but me and you are not discussing the issues in a normative sense, we're simply attempting to discuss whether or not the candidates are the same. They are not.

Second, even if you assume nothing has changed or things have gotten worse, the comparison here is not between the past and the present. It's between the present and hypothetical alternate presents. Even if Obama is manifestly worst than Bush in every way on the drug war issue, and I don't cede that to you at all, even if he's manifestly worse, the question is how the policy enacted by another presidency might be different. Maybe it'd be better. Maybe it'd be worse.

You seem to be using "There's no difference between the candidates" as a proxy for "Obama has disappointed many people and has insufficiently improved on some problems we had with Bush". The two do not mean the same thing. It's possible that Mitt Romney is the better choice than Barack Obama for our hypothetical. It's also possible that Gary Johnson is the best candidate for our hypothetical, but even in that assumption, it's not an argument that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are exactly the same.

 

[SteveWinwood]

no surprise that mclaren777 hasn't changed. still offensively racist.

But he voted for a black guy!

 

[mclaren777]

How is an adult, black male supposed to act?

However he wants.

But he voted for a black guy!

Random fact: I love black people and I wish more of them lived around here.

 

[Flying Toaster]

But he voted for a black guy!

True this.