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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected

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Stumpokapow

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eznark said:
The homophobic image of Romney/Ryan is every bit as (in)offensive as mclaren.
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I actually don't really understand the Romney/Ryan image. They're pretty clearly not gay, they don't seem especially close or unified as a ticket, they're not really on the same page ideologically, and the presumption would be that the people who are on the laughing side of the image don't care if people are gay.
 
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sketchsanchez said:
quoting myself cuz im still freaking out and want to be told i shouldnt
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For some reason the Wisconsin GOP is giddy today. They seem 100% convinced that this is going to be a huge night for Ryan, Reince and old uncle Tommy.

So, ya know, maybe you should freak?

I actually don't really understand the Romney/Ryan image. They're pretty clearly not gay, they don't seem especially close or unified as a ticket, they're not really on the same page ideologically, and the presumption would be that the people who are on the laughing side of the image don't care if people are gay.
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Yep. I guess it's meant to scare people away from voting for them? Or to make fun of gay people? I don't know. But if what mclaren said is racist then that image is clearly homophobic. In that neither probably is, but it kind of feels like they probably are.

The obvious connotation is that it would be mock worthy if they were naked and embracing.
 
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GregLombardi said:
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHHAHAH
 
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mavs

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Stumpokapow said:
I actually don't really understand the Romney/Ryan image. They're pretty clearly not gay, they don't seem especially close or unified as a ticket, they're not really on the same page ideologically, and the presumption would be that the people who are on the laughing side of the image don't care if people are gay.
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The ship must sail. No exceptions.
 
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Stumpokapow

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sketchsanchez said:
quoting myself cuz im still freaking out and want to be told i shouldnt
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It is very difficult to get away with inarguable election fraud. As you can see from the vote/election fraud thread, even the smallest apparent issues with vote integrity generate pretty significant oxygen. If the results are narrow and there's a reasonable case to be made that one side or another cheated, the issue will be aired.

I will say that election fraud, or gamesmanship at least, is unusually easy in the US because elections are run by partisan officials, which is unusual. For example in Canada we have an arms-length non-partisan agency called Elections Canada which decides many of the questions that state Secretaries of State do in the US. Many countries use panels of retired judges. We don't play with the rules every 4 years in an effort to slightly tilt things in our favour. Things aren't perfect, but t least the people who have stake in the game don't get to make the rules.
 
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Gr1mLock said:
Obama really seems to bring out that latent repressed racism out of right wingers. They're voting for lex luthor over a guy who's basically a center right president.
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I wish Romney would be more like Lex Luthor. when Luthor ran for president, he actually had good ideas. he's Luthor, second smartest man in the planet. more people like him should run!
 
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SteveWinwood said:
If I had to guess, sounds like banned forever.
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Hopefully. That was some disgusting shit.

Anyway, cast my vote for Obama after work and before school. What a trainwreck that setup was. The nearby elementary school took votes from two wards. Mine was more heavily populated but only had one table for checking in, while the other ward had four more tables but virtually no visiters. This resulted in a looooooong-ass wait during which some neanderthal behind me was marvelling over the inspirational posters all over the gymnasium walls.
 
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sketchsanchez said:
quoting myself cuz im still freaking out and want to be told i shouldnt
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Watch Fox. Talk to your conservative friends and neighbors. Listen to Glenn Beck.

They're all in the process of preparing themselves for defeat, sort of like an expedited version of the stages of grief. They're getting closer and closer to acceptance, and I'm pretty sure they're done with denial. Where does that leave them, bargaining?
 
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Stumpokapow said:
I can point out that I find your hypothetical unrealistic without impugning anyone, and the way I respond to a hypothetical voter is different than the way I'd engage with a real voter.
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Those forum members who have stated their intentions to vote third party are imaginary? These kinds of opinions exist.

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Even if Obama is manifestly worst than Bush in every way on the drug war issue, and I don't cede that to you at all, even if he's manifestly worse, the question is how the policy enacted by another presidency might be different. Maybe it'd be better. Maybe it'd be worse.
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Not in every way. But definitely worse than Bush on marijuana.

http://blog.norml.org/2012/07/12/fe...t-most-prominent-medical-cannabis-dispensary/

Many of California’s most prominent and well-respected medical cannabis dispensaries and related facilities — including Oaksterdam University, Berkeley Patients Group, and Harborside Health Center (HHC) — flourished under the George W. Bush administration. But they’ll be lucky to survive President Barack Obama’s first term.
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Maybe it'd be better, maybe it'd be worse. It's only maybe. Some people like to judge based on "maybe". Some people like to judge based on results.

Stumpokapow said:
You seem to be using "There's no difference between the candidates" as a proxy for "Obama has disappointed many people and has insufficiently improved on some problems we had with Bush". The two do not mean the same thing. It's possible that Mitt Romney is the better choice than Barack Obama for our hypothetical. It's also possible that Gary Johnson is the best candidate for our hypothetical, but even in that assumption, it's not an argument that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are exactly the same.
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You keep saying that my argument is "Obama and Romney are exactly the same". That's not my argument.

These are the points I were making, in no particular order:

The mindset behind single issue voting is the same kind of thinking that can lead to a third party vote.

Everyone has their own personal reasons for voting the way they do, and it's their right to do so.

Yes, most people realize the implications of their decision, and don't need others "reminding" them of how horrible they are.

Voting your conscience in a non-swing state isn't gonna make a lick of difference anyway.

Yes, "Obama has disappointed many people and has insufficiently improved on some problems we had with Bush", but that was just one example of what could push a particular voter to vote for a third party, nobody, or even Romney. It's basically what Adams described as a "firing offense".
 
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mbmonk

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ConradCervantes said:
Hopefully. That was some disgusting shit.

Anyway, cast my vote for Obama after work and before school. What a trainwreck that setup was. The nearby elementary school took votes from two wards. Mine was more heavily populated but only had one table for checking in, while the other ward had four more tables but virtually no visiters. This resulted in a looooooong-ass wait during which some neanderthal behind me was marvelling over the inspirational posters all over the gymnasium walls.
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I was bored... Damn you are cruel!!!


*wipes neanderthal cheeks*
 
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