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[thefool]

The people in free health care like yourselves who complain about the service don't know what it's like to have to pay for health care

Your posts read like parody.

I sincerely wish your family doesn't have to go through what mine did when we needed access to the healthcare we paid immensely during our lifetimes.

 

[FalconPunch]

Your posts read like parody.

As someone who hasn't seen both sides of the coin, I don't think you should be too quick to talk.

I sincerely wish your family doesn't have to go through what mine did when we needed access to the healthcare we paid immensely during our lifetimes.

I don't know what your family had to go through but, if it was that untenable, did you consider paying privately? it is always available as long as you have the funds.

 

[thefool]

I don't know what your family had to go through but, if it was that untenable, did you consider paying privately? it is always available as long as you have the funds.

Your solution is the problem. Not only you are heavily taxed to subsidize an inefficient system, you then get double taxed to access a private system to fund parasitical doctors and insurers.

I am not, in any way, favorable of parasitical health companies, but i know from firsthand the enormous shortcomings that comes with universal healthcare. It's a living nightmare when a citizen paid his dues all his life and cannot access urgent healthcare because of the grossly inefficient system. Telling him to also pay for health coverage to have better luck is downright absurd.

 

[FalconPunch]

Your solution is the problem. Not only you are heavily taxed to subsidize an inefficient system, you then get double taxed to access a private system to fund parasitical doctors and insurers.

I am not, in any way, favorable of parasitical health companies, but i know from firsthand the enormous shortcomings that comes with universal healthcare. It's a living nightmare when a citizen paid his dues all his life and cannot access urgent healthcare because of the grossly inefficient system. Telling him to also pay for health coverage to have better luck is downright absurd.

You didn't answer my question at all. I'll ask again, did you consider paying out of pocket for private health care since the public health care was so inefficient? If you did not end up paying for private, why?

 

[daffyduck]

Your solution is the problem. Not only you are heavily taxed to subsidize an inefficient system, you then get double taxed to access a private system to fund parasitical doctors and insurers.

I am not, in any way, favorable of parasitical health companies, but i know from firsthand the enormous shortcomings that comes with universal healthcare. It's a living nightmare when a citizen paid his dues all his life and cannot access urgent healthcare because of the grossly inefficient system. Telling him to also pay for health coverage to have better luck is downright absurd.

Which country is that? It can’t be Canada.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

While I do not condone murder of anyone, people have to admit that these Luigi Alibi memes in social media really funny

Also sad for his friends and families (Brian Thompson I mean) but I probably won't lose sleep over this

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

Maybe something substantial will occur. I remain skeptical though. Fully expect the lobbying to ramp up and ultimately kill any meaningful change with a post-decomposition, picked-clean carcass signed into law at the end for the illusion of progress. I sincerely hope I am wrong.

big difference is if these companies are fearing for their lives so doing something substantial for the Health Care system is a way not putting their lives at risk.

Or do what most 3rd world countries do and ramp up on private security and armies to protect yourself.

I guess the latter is more likely to happen

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

He should probably tell his client not to yell out revolutionary statements in front of the press if that’s the defense they’re going with.

Of course there's no evidence he was in India when the incident happend

 

[DragoonKain]

Ngl, anyone who argues in favour for paid health care as the defacto solution needs to have their reasoning skills evaluated. Paid health care works by excluding a large segment of the population to free up capacity for those who have money. The result of this is that those who aren't well off have significantly worse health care outcomes than those with money.

The solution is to have universal public health care as the defacto funded by individual and corporate taxes. Doing this improves the health care outcomes of all citizens. It also drives down the unit cost of Healthcare due to the increased volume. It also prevents people from going bankrupt as a result of sickness which happens a lot in America. It also takes the burden off businesses because the health plans they offer as benefits can be scaled back due to the universal option. It essentially reduces their health care cost.

Now in addition to a universal option, you have a private option for those who are well off. They'll have access to reduced wait times, the best doctors, etc. It's the best of both worlds really.

Finally opponents of universal Healthcare always point to the long wait times. Long wait times are indeed a big issue however, what they fail to point out in your article above is what would have happened if the guy didn't have access to Healthcare. That guy in the article would have never seen a doctor at all and died at home. This happens to a lot of Americans today. Now that's not to say universal health care is perfect. It's not and it has a lot of room for improvement. However, it is exponentially better than what exists in the USA today. The only people that benefit from this current system are insurance companies and drug companies. If you're rich, you still don't benefit in this system because you still have to over pay for private Healthcare when compared to countries with both private and a universal option.

Like I said, if you don't work at a insurance company or drug company, there's absolutely no reason to argue for the status quo. You're literally screwing yourself.

But why would you assume he wouldn't have had healthcare in the US? Over 90% of Americans are insured in some form. The far bigger issue in America is having major financial woes to stay healthy than it is dying because of denials or because you have no healthcare. Those latter two are not common, despite what detractors of the healthcare system say.

It's ok to admit the Canadian system has flaws too even if you prefer it. But detractors of the US system are not objective. Their stance is everything about it is awful, there are no positives or good qualities, and Canadian healthcare is amazing and better in every regard. It's hard to have a conversation with people who discuss it with no nuance.

 

[FalconPunch]

But why would you assume he wouldn't have had healthcare in the US? Over 90% of Americans are insured in some form.

That’s as a result of the affordable act. It’s only a recent development.

The far bigger issue in America is having major financial woes to stay healthy than it is dying because of denials or because you have no healthcare. Those latter two are not common, despite what detractors of the healthcare system say.

That’s as a result of the structure of the healthcare system. It’s the most expensive healthcare system per unit of all developed countries.

It's ok to admit the Canadian system has flaws too even if you prefer it.

It has clear flaws which I’ve listed in earlier posts but, its biggest strong point is the unit cost.

But detractors of the US system are not objective. Their stance is everything about it is awful, there are no positives or good qualities, and Canadian healthcare is amazing and better in every regard. It's hard to have a conversation with people who discuss it with no nuance.

The US system has for the most part great doctors. If you’re well off, it’s a great system. Low wait times, quick service. However, that only applies to a segment of the population. The same is true here in Canada if you’re well off. You have access to the best doctors, etc. The difference in Canada or other Europe countries is when you go to the doctor, you don’t pay.

 

[ProtoByte]

Saw this... Thought it was interesting

Yeah, surprise surprise, there are just as many low information, pretentious Robin Hood types on the right. The country is only united in stupidity.

Say what you will about Shapiro, but he's got principles.

Yeah he didn't personally rubber stamp each and every denied claim, but he did rubber stamp the corporate policies that made it happen.

No, the American voters did, and they've done it over decades.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That’s as a result of the affordable act. It’s only a recent development.

That’s as a result of the structure of the healthcare system. It’s the most expensive healthcare system per unit of all developed countries.

It has clear flaws which I’ve listed in earlier posts but, its biggest strong point is the unit cost.

The US system has for the most part great doctors. If you’re well off, it’s a great system. Low wait times, quick service. However, that only applies to a segment of the population. The same is true here in Canada if you’re well off. You have access to the best doctors, etc. The difference in Canada or other Europe countries is when you go to the doctor, you don’t pay.

Like anything in life the US is a place where if youre going good, you kick ass with great salaries, great job, low taxes and everything is awesome. If youre in a bad situation, youre fucked. Compared to other western countries there is such a divide in people, crime, nice neighbourhoods vs ghettos you dont see this stuff in other countries.

As for healthcare, pretty much all western countries (if not all) have some form of universal care except the US. Americans always love to make it sound like they are the best at everything, where their way is the best. A country where life expectancy is like 40th in the world. For healthcare, they try to make it sound like if you dont do the US way of healthcare, everyone has bad doctors, hospitals and you wait 2 years for a doctors appt. lol. They probably think USA is the ony place in the world that has walk in clinics. Or there's only one heart surgeon in the entire country.

Even Cuba has universal care for its people. A country that is broke. Somehow even they can afford to do it. Each website has slightly different stats, but US/Cuba life expectancies are about the same at 79, Canada 81-82.

 

[BattleScar]

You know what, fuck you and everyone who shares this opinion, right or left. I don't care if I'm alone in thinking that murder is not the right way to express your disdain, especially if you are already rich; he had more resources than anybody to fight this shit politically or legally, yet he chose violence.

This does not bode well for the future of this nation if this is what people really think.

It doesn't matter what you think of me or anyone else.
I'm just explaining what happened. Whether you care to understand why it happened, is not really my problem.

 

[EviLore]

The lawyer representing Mangione is married to the lawyer representing Diddy.

 

[diffusionx]

Ngl, anyone who argues in favour for paid health care as the defacto solution needs to have their reasoning skills evaluated. Paid health care works by excluding a large segment of the population to free up capacity for those who have money. The result of this is that those who aren't well off have significantly worse health care outcomes than those with money.

The solution is to have universal public health care as the defacto funded by individual and corporate taxes. Doing this improves the health care outcomes of all citizens. It also drives down the unit cost of Healthcare due to the increased volume. It also prevents people from going bankrupt as a result of sickness which happens a lot in America. It also takes the burden off businesses because the health plans they offer as benefits can be scaled back due to the universal option. It essentially reduces their health care cost.

Now in addition to a universal option, you have a private option for those who are well off. They'll have access to reduced wait times, the best doctors, etc. It's the best of both worlds really.

Finally opponents of universal Healthcare always point to the long wait times. Long wait times are indeed a big issue however, what they fail to point out in your article above is what would have happened if the guy didn't have access to Healthcare. That guy in the article would have never seen a doctor at all and died at home. This happens to a lot of Americans today. Now that's not to say universal health care is perfect. It's not and it has a lot of room for improvement. However, it is exponentially better than what exists in the USA today. The only people that benefit from this current system are insurance companies and drug companies. If you're rich, you still don't benefit in this system because you still have to over pay for private Healthcare when compared to countries with both private and a universal option.

Like I said, if you don't work at a insurance company or drug company, there's absolutely no reason to argue for the status quo. You're literally screwing yourself.

Nobody in the USA, not a single person, lacks access to healthcare. It just doesn't exist. it's not a thing. That guy would have gone to the ER in the US and gotten take care of. He might have gotten a bill, but probably not.

 

[FalconPunch]

Nobody in the USA, not a single person, lacks access to healthcare. It just doesn't exist. it's not a thing. That guy would have gone to the ER in the US and gotten take care of. He might have gotten a bill, but probably not.

Access to health care? No one is arguing that at all. People in the USA literally avoid the hospital and wait until the last minute(often too late) to go. This is again due to the financial hardship it imposes on them. You just need to go to reddit and check the r/dermatology or any of the other medical subreddits. You have tons of people asking for advice while letting us know that they can't afford to see a doctor. Literally 3rd world stuff. Better yet, look at go fund me. So many people asking for assistance with medical bills.

 

[Chiggs]

That guy would have gone to the ER in the US and gotten take care of. He might have gotten a bill, but probably not.

I've seen plenty of evidence to the contrary in my life, largely through friends and family members who have been down on their luck, which is when, of course, disaster strikes.

• One example: while on his motorcycle, my friend was hit by a car, sending him to the ER.
  • He had no medical insurance and the ER bill was $18,000.
    • The state was Florida.
    • The year was 2018.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I've seen plenty of evidence to the contrary in my life, largely through friends and family members who have been down on their luck, which is when, of course, disaster strikes.

• One example:while on his motorcycle, my friend was hit by a car, sending him to the ER.
  • He had no medical insurance and the ER bill was $18,000.
    • The state was Florida.
    • The year was 2018.

If it wasnt his fault (car driver's fault), wouldnt the other guy's insurance cover everything?

 

[Chiggs]

If it wasnt his fault (car driver's fault), wouldnt the other guy's insurance cover everything?

Hit and run. My bad on the exclusion.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Or McDonald’s workers

Homey just wanted the bag, and Unheard he isn't even getting it.

 

[DragoonKain]

The lawyer representing Mangione is married to the lawyer representing Diddy.

Maybe they can have it arranged where Diddy gets some of his 1000 bottles of baby oil over to Luigi. A good looking guy like that in prison is gonna need it.

 

[Rat Rage]

The lawyer representing Mangione is married to the lawyer representing Diddy.

The lawyer can't loose. It's basically free money, right? He gets paid whether his client gets convicted or not. All he has to say is he believes he's not guilty and collect the money afterwards (eventhough it´s very obvious he did it). Same for his wife. After all is done, they'll probably go on a nice vacation together.

 

[diffusionx]

The lawyer can't loose. It's basically free money, right? He gets paid whether his client gets convicted or not. All he has to say is he believes he's not guilty and collect the money afterwards (eventhough its very obvious he did it). Same for his wife. After all is done, they'll probably go on a nice vacation together.

Well, lawyers generally don't get paid based on outcome, so yea.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

There is definitely conflicting info In This thread. Some of it implying if youre piss poor and can't afford health care you will get taken care of regardless and Medicare just takes care of it.

However, you hear all too often of hard working Americans both working class and middle class bankrupting themselves, using their savings or remortgaging their homes. All because their insurance doesn't cover the expensive cancer treatments or the upfront costs are insane like 50 to 100k.

At least the American healthcare system gave us Walter white and breaking bad .

 

[violence]

Isn't there scheduled videos on a youtube channel? It didn't seem like he was planning on pleading not guilty if he was caught.

I’m just imagining that lawyer pulling some magic to swing things in his favor and then those YouTube videos pop.

 

[rm082e]

The lawyer representing Mangione is married to the lawyer representing Diddy.

I had to google to see if you were just joking.

Jesus, this world is hilarious...

 

[Barakov]

The lawyer representing Mangione is married to the lawyer representing Diddy.

JFC

 

[Cyberpunkd]

He should probably tell his client not to yell out revolutionary statements in front of the press if that’s the defense they’re going with.

C'mon, you are an American, you know very well the lawyer's job is to defend his client by any means possible.

 

[YCoCg]

New York politicians have fast tracked an emergency phone number that CEOs can call if they feel threatened to get a fast tracked police response out to them.


Oh and there was a school shooting the other day but it barely made news.

 

[DragoonKain]

I would be stunned if they don't go for an insanity defense considering the amount of evidence and that's an incredibly difficult defense to pull off. I think the guy is fucked and he's going to prison for a long long time.

 

[Meicyn]

New York politicians have fast tracked an emergency phone number that CEOs can call if they feel threatened to get a fast tracked police response out to them.


Oh and there was a school shooting the other day but it barely made news.

In America’s defense, children don’t increase shareholder value.

 

[DragoonKain]

He was also charged with first degree murder under the grounds of terrorism.

 

[Kacho]

Very curious to see how they weed out the crazies for the jury. They could request people's social media account names to review, but that's a lot of work.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

He was also charged with first degree murder under the grounds of terrorism.

Why is he charged with terrorism? Just seemed like a wacky guy who killed one guy and that's the end of it(?)..

 

[Meicyn]

Why is he charged with terrorism? Just seemed like a wacky guy who killed one guy and that's the end of it(?)..

Because it was a murder with political motive, aimed at altering policy on a country-wide scale. It’s an appropriate charge.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Interesting... but doesn't seem too hard of an argument to call it terrorism either.

He was also charged with first degree murder under the grounds of terrorism.

Where do I go take the BAR exam I am interested in this lawyer pay.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

He was also charged with first degree murder under the grounds of terrorism.

Well with that body, he is the bomb .

At this point this qualifies as a dad joke

 

[daffyduck]

Very curious to see how they weed out the crazies for the jury. They could request people's social media account names to review, but that's a lot of work.

Could jurors be compelled to give that?
Just curious how much can reasonably be asked.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

New York politicians have fast tracked an emergency phone number that CEOs can call if they feel threatened to get a fast tracked police response out to them.

They're afraid of billionaires moving out of New York City en masse. If shooting rich people becomes a trend, why would they stay? It's not like the French revolution; these aristocrats can leave cheaply and easily.

 

[YCoCg]

Very curious to see how they weed out the crazies for the jury. They could request people's social media account names to review, but that's a lot of work.

What exactly qualifies as "crazies" here? Anyone screwed over by insurance? You'd be trimming down a lot of citizens that way and basically just be manipulating the jury if you somehow only stack it with other CEOs.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

New York politicians have fast tracked an emergency phone number that CEOs can call if they feel threatened to get a fast tracked police response out to them.


Oh and there was a school shooting the other day but it barely made news.

I mean, who does the US idolise? CEOs or kids?

 

[Kacho]

What exactly qualifies as "crazies" here? Anyone screwed over by insurance? You'd be trimming down a lot of citizens that way and basically just be manipulating the jury if you somehow only stack it with other CEOs.

Anyone that would ignore obvious facts for political reasons. The question will be is he guilty of murder, which he is. Not do you think he deserved it because of personal reasons.

 

[YCoCg]

Anyone that would ignore obvious facts for political reasons. The question will be is he guilty of murder, which he is. Not do you think he deserved it because of personal reasons.

So you want them to pick a jury who have already decided? Doesn't that also go against why a jury is used?

 

[Kacho]

So you want them to pick a jury who have already decided? Doesn't that also go against why a jury is used?

I want them to pick jury members that aren’t compromised, yes.

 

[violence]

Why is he charged with terrorism? Just seemed like a wacky guy who killed one guy and that's the end of it(?)..

This wasn’t just any guy he killed. It was a CEO.

CEOs being scared makes it extra bad.

 

[YCoCg]

I want them to pick jury members that aren’t compromised, yes.

You're not getting what I'm saying, if they're using Social Media to weed out "crazies" then you yourself would also be in that crazies category since you've already decided the verdict before going in.

So I ask again, what determines "crazies" because it sounds like you just want them to stack the jury with a preset verdict which is against the law.

 

[NickFire]

This wasn’t just any guy he killed. It was a CEO.

CEOs being scared makes it extra bad.

Learn to use a dictionary. Definition of terrorism:

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

 

[Kacho]

You're not getting what I'm saying, if they're using Social Media to weed out "crazies" then you yourself would also be in that crazies category since you've already decided the verdict before going in.

So I ask again, what determines "crazies" because it sounds like you just want them to stack the jury with a preset verdict which is against the law.

No, I very much get what you're saying. You just don't like my answers. Screening jurors is normal procedure for any case. The political aspect of this case makes the screening process particularly interesting. The point of the screening process is to eliminate potential bias. I hope they manage to do that in this case.

 

[SF Kosmo]

No, I very much get what you're saying. You just don't like my answers. Screening jurors is normal procedure for any case. The political aspect of this case makes the screening process particularly interesting. The point of the screening process is to eliminate potential bias. I hope they manage to do that in this case.

It's going to be a real challenge, because where normally people say things to get out of jury duty, you're going to have people this time who put on a very good show trying to get picked specifically because they want to let him off.

 

[YCoCg]

No, I very much get what you're saying. You just don't like my answers. Screening jurors is normal procedure for any case. The political aspect of this case makes the screening process particularly interesting. The point of the screening process is to eliminate potential bias. I hope they manage to do that in this case.

Screening is important I'm asking you what qualifies as "crazies" though, because it sounds like that could also set a dangerous precedent of only selecting jurors you know will get you the verdict you want because you've dismissed the ones who might think otherwise.

Like you're telling me you wouldn't find it suspicious that if in this case the jury ended up being made up of company ceos for example?