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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson assassinated

Kacho

Gold Member
Screening is important I'm asking you what qualifies as "crazies" though, because it sounds like that could also set a dangerous precedent of only selecting jurors you know will get you the verdict you want because you've dismissed the ones who might think otherwise.

Like you're telling me you wouldn't find it suspicious that if in this case the jury ended up being made up of company ceos for example?
If they select an unbiased jury this guy will be found guilty.

The jury will not be made up of CEOs so the rhetorical question is pointless.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Screening is important I'm asking you what qualifies as "crazies" though, because it sounds like that could also set a dangerous precedent of only selecting jurors you know will get you the verdict you want because you've dismissed the ones who might think otherwise.

Like you're telling me you wouldn't find it suspicious that if in this case the jury ended up being made up of company ceos for example?
I dont know how juries are picked, but just like a job interview, you should pick people who are able minded, smart and can make a good decision.

I dont see what's the point of putting a person on trial decided by 12 idiots.
 
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Dural

Member
I've seen plenty of evidence to the contrary in my life, largely through friends and family members who have been down on their luck, which is when, of course, disaster strikes.
  • One example:while on his motorcycle, my friend was hit by a car, sending him to the ER.
    • He had no medical insurance and the ER bill was $18,000.
      • The state was Florida.
      • The year was 2018.

He didn't have his own insurance on the bike that would cover medical if the other driver wasn't insured?

Did he not have state insurance if he was down on his luck, I assume that means out of work? You can get state insurance (medicaid) if you're unemployed.

Like anything in life the US is a place where if youre going good, you kick ass with great salaries, great job, low taxes and everything is awesome. If youre in a bad situation, youre fucked. Compared to other western countries there is such a divide in people, crime, nice neighbourhoods vs ghettos you dont see this stuff in other countries.

As for healthcare, pretty much all western countries (if not all) have some form of universal care except the US. Americans always love to make it sound like they are the best at everything, where their way is the best. A country where life expectancy is like 40th in the world. For healthcare, they try to make it sound like if you dont do the US way of healthcare, everyone has bad doctors, hospitals and you wait 2 years for a doctors appt. lol. They probably think USA is the ony place in the world that has walk in clinics. Or there's only one heart surgeon in the entire country.

Even Cuba has universal care for its people. A country that is broke. Somehow even they can afford to do it. Each website has slightly different stats, but US/Cuba life expectancies are about the same at 79, Canada 81-82.

~40% of Americans are on either Medicaid or Medicare, a form of universal care.
 

daffyduck

Member
I want them to pick jury members that aren’t compromised, yes.
Morgan Freeman Good Luck GIF
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Something I found online I thought could be of use to AmeriGaf. Don't know if it's necessary all over USA, but I guess it's better to know than to not:

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Statistically, almost no one appeals claim denials, so insurance companies will sometimes reject a claim for no other reason than they think they can get away with it. Always have to push back and appeal if you think they’re wrongfully denying.
 

Muffdraul

Member
I'm talking about everything. Literally everyone has a bias. There's no need to go into the specifics of this case. As if there's never been anyone in history who committed premediated murder and people with different biases saw it in two opposite ways and could make sound arguments to support their positions.

To think your own view is unbiased and only those who disagree are biased... I don't think I can accurately describe someone who thinks that way without risking a ban.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
Statistically, almost no one appeals claim denials, so insurance companies will sometimes reject a claim for no other reason than they think they can get away with it. Always have to push back and appeal if you think they’re wrongfully denying.
My doctors offices usually appeal for me automatically. In my experience(knock on wood) if your doctor appeals and says it's medically necessary, insurance companies won't fight them on it. Unless it's something absolutely absurd. Which the doctor likely wouldn't ask for to begin with.

My insurance company basically denies every single thing my doctors order. I can't remember the last time something was immediately approved aside from some cheap medication. This month alone I've had a reupping of my medication I've been taking for 10+ years that keeps me alive and healthy denied for no apparent reason. My doctor appealed and it was approved. Then an MRI he ordered denied. He appealed and it was approved. I find out days later when I get letters in the mail. Usually one confirming the denial and then a couple days later confirming the approval after the appeal.
 
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
Speaking of healthcare, the San Francisco department of health is hiring a "fat positivity expert" to consult on public health.


Diet culture, generally, is the set of social beliefs that certain foods are “good” because they’re associated with thinness and moral virtue, while other foods are “bad” because they’re associated with fat and lack of moral virtue.
The idea is gaining some traction in the field of medicine, where many patients have experienced weight-based bias. Some physicians are starting to practice what’s known as weight-neutral care, which emphasizes that patients can be healthy at any weight or size.


This quackery is dangerous. Bringing in unhinged weirdos who want to live in a fantasy world consulting on public health and we now have some physicians telling patients they can be healthy at any size? Thank fucking christ this stuff is only in a very small recesses of the medical community, but even that is too much. You can't be healthy at "any size." Someone who weighs 500 lbs is not healthy. If the crazies want to start their own blogs to push this garbage, go right ahead. But hiring them and paying them 12 grand to consult the department of health for a city is laughable. Weirdos in denial about their weight trying to push factual falsities to make themselves feel better about their own bodies have no business consulting on anything let alone health.
 

PSYGN

Member
Speaking of healthcare, the San Francisco department of health is hiring a "fat positivity expert" to consult on public health.


Diet culture, generally, is the set of social beliefs that certain foods are “good” because they’re associated with thinness and moral virtue, while other foods are “bad” because they’re associated with fat and lack of moral virtue.
The idea is gaining some traction in the field of medicine, where many patients have experienced weight-based bias. Some physicians are starting to practice what’s known as weight-neutral care, which emphasizes that patients can be healthy at any weight or size.


This quackery is dangerous. Bringing in unhinged weirdos who want to live in a fantasy world consulting on public health and we now have some physicians telling patients they can be healthy at any size? Thank fucking christ this stuff is only in a very small recesses of the medical community, but even that is too much. You can't be healthy at "any size." Someone who weighs 500 lbs is not healthy. If the crazies want to start their own blogs to push this garbage, go right ahead. But hiring them and paying them 12 grand to consult the department of health for a city is laughable. Weirdos in denial about their weight trying to push factual falsities to make themselves feel better about their own bodies have no business consulting on anything let alone health.


> In a 2020 interview with the Chronicle, Tovar described the podcast as “a food-positive, body-positive podcast that helps people break up with diet culture, one corn dog at a time.”

????

It must suck working in a department where legit clowns are allowed to throw opinions in the face of actual science. But then maybe it's a clown academy there and all the sane ones have left.
 
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Speaking of healthcare, the San Francisco department of health is hiring a "fat positivity expert" to consult on public health.


Diet culture, generally, is the set of social beliefs that certain foods are “good” because they’re associated with thinness and moral virtue, while other foods are “bad” because they’re associated with fat and lack of moral virtue.
The idea is gaining some traction in the field of medicine, where many patients have experienced weight-based bias. Some physicians are starting to practice what’s known as weight-neutral care, which emphasizes that patients can be healthy at any weight or size.


This quackery is dangerous. Bringing in unhinged weirdos who want to live in a fantasy world consulting on public health and we now have some physicians telling patients they can be healthy at any size? Thank fucking christ this stuff is only in a very small recesses of the medical community, but even that is too much. You can't be healthy at "any size." Someone who weighs 500 lbs is not healthy. If the crazies want to start their own blogs to push this garbage, go right ahead. But hiring them and paying them 12 grand to consult the department of health for a city is laughable. Weirdos in denial about their weight trying to push factual falsities to make themselves feel better about their own bodies have no business consulting on anything let alone health.
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diffusionx

Gold Member
Always amazing when protesters always seem to fit that profile of sketchy, unemployed or minimum wager, and look like they woke up at 2 pm in the afternoon after slumming it on the couch all night.
spiteful mutants, bioleninism, whatever you want to call it, there’s a reason protest/activism attracts the dregs of society and why these movements select for it
 

Jinzo Prime

Member

Durien

Member
I think the best healthcare system possible has people paying nothing. I don't believe people should have to take out loans and sell property to pay for medical care. But that doesn't mean everything about the US healthcare system sucks. The US probably has more great hospitals and doctors than any other country. There can be a nuanced view rather than shitting on the US healthcare and saying everything about it is awful, because that's simply untrue. There's a reason 8 out of 10 Americans are satisfied with their quality of care and not 1 out of 10, and almost everyone knows the flaws of the US healthcare system.

A handful of years ago I had a medical issue that one of my doctors was concerned about and he ordered a list of tests. Individual unique tests that I had to get done at different facilities. I got 5 tests done in about 6 weeks. And these were invasive tests not like blood tests getting your nose swabbed. It was bad enough sitting in limbo waiting for the results of all these tests to make sure nothing was seriously wrong with me. If I was in a country with longer wait times, who knows how long it would've taken for me to get all those tests done.

You can acknowledge that it's great to not have to pay anything for your healthcare and the US having good things about its healthcare too.
I used to work for a major corporation as an FTE. Medical was f'ing amazing. I paid 0 for things rating from physical exams and tests to my wife having an emergency c section and spending a weekend in the hospital. The problem, with all things like this, is abuse. People would go to the emergency room with sniffles. Soon, you know what happened? A deductible was implemented. People were up in arms.the company called them out. There are too many emergency room visits for non emergencies and it is costing us a boatload of money.
 

violence

Gold Member
The UK has free medical but there is a waiting list right? So that's a trade off. At least they want you fixed so they are done with you.
 
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell


Crazy woman is jealous of fit women so she's becoming the new weight czar of San Fran(one of the fittest cities in America) to try and make them fat so she doesn't have to be fat alone. Listen to this utter garbage. Maybe out healthcare costs would go down if everyone was healthier, just a thought.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb


Crazy woman is jealous of fit women so she's becoming the new weight czar of San Fran(one of the fittest cities in America) to try and make them fat so she doesn't have to be fat alone. Listen to this utter garbage. Maybe out healthcare costs would go down if everyone was healthier, just a thought.

Gotta love it, the smiley face and wacky music are there to disguise how bitterly hateful and resentful this crazy bitch is.

Shaming women who practice discipline and restraint about eating cake, now that’s what I call feminism.
 
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
Gotta love it, the smiley face and wacky music are there to disguise how bitterly hateful and resentful this crazy bitch is.

Shaming women who practice discipline and restraint about eating cake, now that’s what I call feminism.
She says in the video the women who want smaller cake slice sizes think they're superior. That's a total projection. She's just jealous of women who are more fit than she is and she hates seeing other women have the willpower she doesn't have and projects flaws onto them. And somehow this nut was given a contract to consult on the SF department of public health.
 


Crazy woman is jealous of fit women so she's becoming the new weight czar of San Fran(one of the fittest cities in America) to try and make them fat so she doesn't have to be fat alone. Listen to this utter garbage. Maybe out healthcare costs would go down if everyone was healthier, just a thought.

Wait a sec it really seems like I should have some thoughts on this subject.
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Durien

Member
The last time the minimum wage was increased in America was 15 years ago .
Unless you live in Washington state, then it seems like thr minimum wage is increased every 6 months. They are set to raise it again in January. Then people scratch their heads wondering why crap is even more expensive...

BTW, not sure where you guys are but my son gets paid almost, if not, as much as $20 an hour to stock shelves...
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Unless you live in Washington state, then it seems like thr minimum wage is increased every 6 months. They are set to raise it again in January. Then people scratch their heads wondering why crap is even more expensive...

BTW, not sure where you guys are but my son gets paid almost, if not, as much as $20 an hour to stock shelves...

Federal minimum wage hasn't been increased since 2003 or 2007... I forget which year. Some companies pay above it but only by so much. Some pay 9 bucks and hour, some a little more... Very few pay at cost of living... Your son is lucky to live in a state where he can get 20 an hour to stock shelves. Most don't. A lot of people have to have a roommate to be able to live where they are. Skimp and save just or buy the bare minimum just to live within their means while still paying their bills.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member


Crazy woman is jealous of fit women so she's becoming the new weight czar of San Fran(one of the fittest cities in America) to try and make them fat so she doesn't have to be fat alone. Listen to this utter garbage. Maybe out healthcare costs would go down if everyone was healthier, just a thought.

this is the person calling you a chud online
 
Speaking of healthcare, the San Francisco department of health is hiring a "fat positivity expert" to consult on public health.


Diet culture, generally, is the set of social beliefs that certain foods are “good” because they’re associated with thinness and moral virtue, while other foods are “bad” because they’re associated with fat and lack of moral virtue.
The idea is gaining some traction in the field of medicine, where many patients have experienced weight-based bias. Some physicians are starting to practice what’s known as weight-neutral care, which emphasizes that patients can be healthy at any weight or size.


This quackery is dangerous. Bringing in unhinged weirdos who want to live in a fantasy world consulting on public health and we now have some physicians telling patients they can be healthy at any size? Thank fucking christ this stuff is only in a very small recesses of the medical community, but even that is too much. You can't be healthy at "any size." Someone who weighs 500 lbs is not healthy. If the crazies want to start their own blogs to push this garbage, go right ahead. But hiring them and paying them 12 grand to consult the department of health for a city is laughable. Weirdos in denial about their weight trying to push factual falsities to make themselves feel better about their own bodies have no business consulting on anything let alone health.
While the rest of us in Cali are trying to struggle towards something that resembles "normalcy" San Fran continues to double down on some crazy stuff. Not that some progress hasn't been made there, too. It's just seems like it's a big uphill fight for them.
 

Durien

Member
While the rest of us in Cali are trying to struggle towards something that resembles "normalcy" San Fran continues to double down on some crazy stuff. Not that some progress hasn't been made there, too. It's just seems like it's a big uphill fight for them.
It could be they think, the fatter you are, the sooner you die, less healthcare costs are paid out.
 

12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie


Crazy woman is jealous of fit women so she's becoming the new weight czar of San Fran(one of the fittest cities in America) to try and make them fat so she doesn't have to be fat alone. Listen to this utter garbage. Maybe out healthcare costs would go down if everyone was healthier, just a thought.

-seems like she's doing comedy? saying ridiculous shit to attract attention?
-per comments her contract as consultant to fight "weight stigma" ends in June 2025 (6 month contract lol?)
-not sure why we enjoy to pick on fat people in the US. we are getting more and more fat as a country and literally zero persons is getting fat because they think it's "healthy"... I bet most people hating on fat people online are themselves fat just hate themselves. if you are fit and healthy - why in the world would you ever ridicule a fat person? they need our help
-not sure what this has to do with arkham inmate, luigi mangione
 
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
-seems like she's doing comedy? saying ridiculous shit to attract attention?
-per comments her contract as consultant to fight "weight stigma" ends in June 2025 (6 month contract lol?)
-not sure why we enjoy to pick on fat people in the US. we are getting more and more fat as a country and literally zero persons is getting fat because they think it's "healthy"... I bet most people hating on fat people online are themselves fat just hate themselves. if you are fit and healthy - why in the world would you ever ridicule a fat person? they need our help
-not sure what this has to do with arkham inmate, luigi mangione
-Not comedy. Completely real person who is a fat acceptance activist.
-Yes, 6 months. Don't know if that's standard for the position or not.
-I don't know what you mean by "pick on" but I think people like to crack jokes about fat people is because 99% of the time it's entirely their choice for being overweight and isn't like someone having ALS or something. And I agree they need our help. That help entails not telling people that you can be healthy at any size and wanting to watch what you eat is "fatphobic." We need to preach health more as a society, not preach to people they can eat whatever they want and fatness being bad is just a stigma.
-The Luigi Mangione story is kinda dead at this point until it goes to trial which may not be for a year+, so might as well talk about healthcare related matters in here.
 

Nydius

Gold Member
There is definitely conflicting info In This thread. Some of it implying if youre piss poor and can't afford health care you will get taken care of regardless and Medicare just takes care of it.

However, you hear all too often of hard working Americans both working class and middle class bankrupting themselves, using their savings or remortgaging their homes. All because their insurance doesn't cover the expensive cancer treatments or the upfront costs are insane like 50 to 100k.

It's not conflicting: Both are true.

First a nitpick: Medicare is only for seniors and disabled. Medicaid is for lower income individuals... if they qualify. It's a small distinction but an important one because Medicare is fully federally run whereas Medicaid is state run with federal assistance.

I digress. Neither Medicare nor Medicaid will pay 100% of medical bills. Medicare has an 80%/20% benefit split, meaning they'll pay up to 80% of what they consider the claim to be worth and the patient has to pay the other 20%. Medicare also has premiums that have to be paid - for 2025 the Part B (general care) premium is $185 a month. Medicare recipients can cover that other 20% by buying Medicare Supplemental Insurance through a third party, but that usually costs hundreds of dollars per month in added premiums. Medicaid, conversely, usually doesn't have premiums but they do have copays and deductibles, depending on state system and managed care plans they contract with.

So, if someone is on Medicare and they don't have a supplemental insurance plan, they have to pay 20% of every Medicare claim. If they have something catastrophic that requires a lengthy hospital stay with multiple procedures, that 20% bill can easily be enough to bankrupt them despite having Medicare.

I can give a practical example from my late mother's 2007 heart attack that had a botched stent. She ended up in the hospital for three weeks and needed three more surgeries including an internal defibrillator. Her combined total bill was over $600K. Medicare determined they'd pay $274K, which was all the hospital and various doctors and practices would get. Of that determined amount, Medicare only actually paid out 80%, and my mom got bills to the tune of $55K. Thankfully my dad had invested in a Medicare supplemental insurance plan so my mom ultimately paid nothing but if she had to pay the bill out of pocket, it would have been a massive financially hit. She could have paid it, but it would have taken nearly half of her lifetime retirement savings.



As an aside, if people think getting claims through private insurance is bad, just wait until you have to deal with Medicare. I've managed my wife's Medicare benefits for the last four years and they're much quicker to deny claims and medications than any private insurers we ever had in the past. We're going on month 7 and appeal number 2 trying to get her hemolytic anemia treatment approved (rituximab IV infusions). Meanwhile, that IV doesn't even require a prior authoriziation on my private insurer's prescription formulary. It's why I laugh anytime I hear someone champion Medicare for All. If they had to deal with Medicare on a regular basis, they wouldn't want government anywhere near their care. Either you deal with corporate bean counters or government bureaucrats determining whether or not you get care. I'll take bean counters over bureaucrats.
 
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