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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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Rentahamster

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Was there any good reason for having the Tickler get killed in a previous episode, so that Arya has to kill Polliver instead now? Maybe I forgot something, but it didn't seem like a pressingly necessary change to make. The tavern scene was fine this episode, but I think I liked how it played out in the books better because Arya got revenge on the Tickler in the tavern, finally.
 
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DrForester said:
NeoGAF, the .gif.

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This is perfect.
 
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Dany

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The entiretly of the Battle of the Blackwater was in Kingslanding but the opening always depicts all major points of interest. (kings landing, winterfell, the wall, across the narrow seas)
 
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Poimandres

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Decent first ep. Loved the Arya/Hound stuff, and Jamie/Brienne is always good. Oberyn was great as well!

Did I see someone mention a few pages back that there was gonna be TWOW stuff in this season? I'm interested in details about this.
 
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Dany M said:
The entiretly of the Battle of the Blackwater was in Kingslanding but the opening always depicts all major points of interest. (kings landing, winterfell, the wall, across the narrow seas)
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Not talking about the castles that unfold, but the actors whose names appear during the opening credits.
 
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Schweinehund

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Arya/Hound was one of my favorite chapters of the book. I hope he gets a POV in book 6/7, given how much has happend to arya in book 4/5, they could have easily extended their traveling by a ton.
 
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Iksenpets

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Poimandres said:
Decent first ep. Loved the Arya/Hound stuff, and Jamie/Brienne is always good. Oberyn was great as well!

Did I see someone mention a few pages back that there was gonna be TWOW stuff in this season? I'm interested in details about this.
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It's possible that was a remark I made. It was in reference to [Winds sample chapter spoiler]
Arya's dialog while murdering Polliver being pulled from the most recent Winds sample chapter.
 
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Massa

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Rentahamster said:
Was there any good reason for having the Tickler get killed in a previous episode, so that Arya has to kill Polliver instead now? Maybe I forgot something, but it didn't seem like a pressingly necessary change to make. The tavern scene was fine this episode, but I think I liked how it played out in the books better because Arya got revenge on the Tickler in the tavern, finally.
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There were enough characters in Arya's story, they probably thought they only needed one revenge-kill character from her time at Harrenhal.
 
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SaintGalgo

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One thing I haven't seen anyone talk about. If I remember correctly, in the books, Sam promised to not tell anyone about Bran. That didn't happen in the show...
If Jon knows that Bran is alive and north of the wall... that's a big change. I wonder how they're going to deal with that. Jon didn't say anything about that in this episode, and that worries me... Hopefully they won't forget that all that happened. It would be a huge plot hole.

Or I might be missing something, which is likely.
 
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Dany

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SaintGalgo said:
One thing I haven't seen anyone talk about. If I remember correctly, in the books, Sam promised to not tell anyone about Bran. That didn't happen in the show...
If Jon knows that Bran is alive and north of the wall... that's a big change. I wonder how they're going to deal with that. Jon didn't say anything about that in this episode, and that worries me... Hopefully they won't forget that all that happened. It would be a huge plot hole.

Or I might be missing something, which is likely.
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I think he promised to keep it a secret.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Iksenpets said:
It's possible that was a remark I made. It was in reference to [Winds sample chapter spoiler]
Arya's dialog while murdering Polliver being pulled from the most recent Winds sample chapter.
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I bet that's why he released the chapter early. It was written a decade ago and he wanted to make sure people didn't think he was aping dialogue from the show.
 
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desh

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So now the no spoilers thread is doing the same thing as this thread by placing a highlighted statement at the top of the page. I feel this diminishes the effect since both threads are doing pretty much the exact same thing, it doesn't do anything to distinguish the two threads immediately upon entering.
 
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DrForester

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desh said:
So now the no spoilers thread is doing the same thing as this thread by placing a highlighted statement at the top of the page. I feel this diminishes the effect since both threads are doing pretty much the exact same thing, it doesn't do anything to distinguish the two threads immediately upon entering.
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Agreed. It should be one or the other (this one really), because in the end, it's only a few words difference someone might not catch.
 
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desh

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DrForester said:
Agreed. It should be one or the other, because in the end, it's only a few words difference someone might not catch.
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I just did it. I clicked on the other thread, skimmed the red message at the top of the page, scrolled down and saw that Cyan made a post, and that's when I thought "Since when is Cyan in the Spoilers thread?" I then read a couple more posts, went back to the top of the page, re-read the red message more carefully, and realized which thread I was in.

This doesn't affect me one bit, but it's the first time I've been confused as to which thread I'm in.
 
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Red Arremer

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Steelyuhas said:
Actually they don't. They only show in the credits when they appear in that episode.
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Yeah, I just checked the opening to season 4, and none of the regular characters that don't appear are named (I was particularly looking for Stephen Dillane).

Kjellson said:
Haven't seen this posted, but there's a new behind the scenes video with some new stuff in it. Ramsay's bitches is seen at 4:10.
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Oh this is really cool. Love the preview for Mace Tyrell, and Ramsay's actor being all "Ramsay is such a lovely guy", haha.
 
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Trouble

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gspec said:
The books are better concerning Arya. She kills a guards when escaping Harrenhal and in that scene in the tavern was better in the books. She continuously stabs the guy and the hound had to pull her off him.
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Yep. Very clear in the books that she straight up murders the guard, not panicked self defense, no attempt to sneak by, murder. I really think it was more of a plot device than anything else to have Jaqen assist her escape. She's going to become an assassin with the Faceless Men before too long anyways. Tough for the TV writers to soften that up much.
 
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gspec said:
The books are better concerning Arya. She kills a guards when escaping Harrenhal and in that scene in the tavern was better in the books. She continuously stabs the guy and the hound had to pull her off him.
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She pretty much does the same thing in the show. The Frey she killed last year was the same MO, drop the Braavos coin, and stab him repeatedly ala Tickler. This year she pulls her TWOW kill, it's just different and missing the Tickler questions

desh said:
So now the no spoilers thread is doing the same thing as this thread by placing a highlighted statement at the top of the page. I feel this diminishes the effect since both threads are doing pretty much the exact same thing, it doesn't do anything to distinguish the two threads immediately upon entering.
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I'm going to sound like a dick, but how much coddling do we need to do? The threads don't even start the same anymore, and one has UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS in caps plus warnings at the top of each page
 
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FStop7

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The way they're handling the Shae stuff sucks and the actress who plays Shae sucks, too. There, I said it.

A shocking betrayal isn't shocking if you ham fistedly and unconvincingly telegraph it for nearly 2 years.
 
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bodyofanamerican

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Kjellson said:
Haven't seen this posted, but there's a new behind the scenes video with some new stuff in it. Ramsay's bitches is seen at 4:10.
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Iwan explaining the key behind Ramsay being that he thinks that "this is GRRREAT" was hilarious.

Crazy psyched for him and Roose. Two things I found interesting:
- has Theon been tortured into a catatonic state? He looks like he can't/won't speak in those two shots
- Roose is pissed that Ramsay flayed Theon, but him saying "Ramsay has his own way of doing things" last season, to me, implied he know Ramsay was going to torture the shit out or Theon. Wonder what pissed him off.
 
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off

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FStop7 said:
The way they're handling the Shae stuff sucks and the actress who plays Shae sucks, too. There, I said it.

A shocking betrayal isn't shocking if you ham fistedly and unconvincingly telegraph it for nearly 2 years.
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You don't like Shae the funny whore!? Yeah, I don't either. She's the only main character who was poorly cast. And I don't think what they've done to her character is particularly interesting. She wasn't really interesting in the books either though, so it's no huge loss.
 
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KuwabaraTheMan

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Shae wasn't cast great, but I think the biggest issue is just that the writing has sucked out any joy that existed with the character in the books. TV Shae is just so angry and bitter all the time, so it doesn't really make any sense why Tyrion would even want her around. The character in the books had a bit more life and energy.

Some of this also comes down to how she's being directed, but I'm not sure who makes the ultimate decision on some of this. For an example of a line that's even the same from the books, when Shae makes her comment about how 'the last man to taste my cooking told me what a good whore I was' (in book/season 2), in the books she giggles and says it playfully, while in the show she just sounds so angry. Little things like that really just shift the entire perception of her character.
 
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Quadrophenic

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Were the Thenns cannibals in the books? I don't remember them being anything other than a really close knit warrior-clan people who talked little. It was the Skagos guys (Skane?) who were said to be cannibals. Unless the show is going to combine Thenns with the Skaggos...

edit: nm, I see this was discussed a few pages ago :p
 
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KuwabaraTheMan

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Quadrophenic said:
Were the Thenns cannibals in the books? I don't remember them being anything other than a really close knit warrior-clan people who talked little. It was the Skagos guys (Skane?) who were said to be cannibals. Unless the show is going to combine Thenns with the Skaggos...
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Yeah, the Thenns in the books weren't cannibals at all. They were mostly differentiated by the fact that they mostly used the old tongue, and had a society closer in terms of caste to Westeros (with a lord ruling over them through lineage, rather than being 'free folk'), and being fairly isolated even from the wildlings.

I guess Benioff and Weiss thought this was too interesting and that viewers couldn't handle any sort of major difference with societies north of the Wall, so they just made them evil mustache twirling TV villains who like to eat people.
 
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cdkee

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Quadrophenic said:
Were the Thenns cannibals in the books? I don't remember them being anything other than a really close knit warrior-clan people who talked little. It was the Skagos guys (Skane?) who were said to be cannibals. Unless the show is going to combine Thenns with the Skaggos...
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No, in fact they were more civil than wildlings IIRC.

Also, when do you guys think they'll show Stoneheart?
 
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Red Arremer

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Quadrophenic said:
Were the Thenns cannibals in the books? I don't remember them being anything other than a really close knit warrior-clan people who talked little. It was the Skagos guys (Skane?) who were said to be cannibals. Unless the show is going to combine Thenns with the Skaggos...

edit: nm, I see this was discussed a few pages ago :p
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Yeah, we discussed this a bit ago. :) But again, only the ice river clans were the wildings I remember in the books being cannibals, while the Thenns were more sophisticated etc.
Also, it's Skagos - Skane actually is an existing region in Sweden. ;)

KuwabaraTheMan said:
I guess Benioff and Weiss thought this was too interesting and that viewers couldn't handle any sort of major difference with societies north of the Wall, so they just made them evil mustache twirling TV villains who like to eat people.
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I think they just didn't really care all that much, since the wildling tribes wouldn't get as much cultural exposure as they did in the books anyway. It seems like a weird choice to pick the Thenns instead of the ice river clans as being the cannibals, but perhaps it's just them trying to already making clear that they might not use the Alys Karstark/House Thenn subplot.

cdkee said:
Also, when do you guys think they'll show Stoneheart?
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Probably in episode 10. Wouldn't be surprised if she was the very last shot of the season. Can't see it happening any time earlier.
 
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cdkee

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Red Arremer said:
Probably in episode 10. Wouldn't be surprised if she was the very last shot of the season. Can't see it happening any time earlier.
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Yeah, that's probably right. I think they could basically do it word-for-word (as much as possible) from the book.

> See Freys being Freys
> Get ambushed
> Get taken to some lady
> Turns around, end of season 4
 
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Atraveller

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Massa

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KuwabaraTheMan said:
Yeah, the Thenns in the books weren't cannibals at all. They were mostly differentiated by the fact that they mostly used the old tongue, and had a society closer in terms of caste to Westeros (with a lord ruling over them through lineage, rather than being 'free folk'), and being fairly isolated even from the wildlings.

I guess Benioff and Weiss thought this was too interesting and that viewers couldn't handle any sort of major difference with societies north of the Wall, so they just made them evil mustache twirling TV villains who like to eat people.
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It's not about the audience being able to "handle" it, they just realize there's a different scope they can reach with a TV show that can't possibly match the books. Some fans should realize that too. :p

There's no point in presenting everything with the same level of detail, it could easily be done but it would just dilute everything and make it weaker.
 
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My guesses on whats gonna be in episode 10:

Arya - gets to Braavos
Brienne - Given Oathkeeper by Jamie to go and find Sansa/Arya
Danerys - Decides to stay and rule, Jorah exile
Bran - reaches the cave?
Tyrion - Escapes from the Black Cell, Strangle and Shit
Jon - aftermath of the battle/elected lord commander
Sansa - Snow Winterfell/Only Cat
Stoneheart - Oh yeah

that is a LOT to swallow for one episode, so they probably won't, but they do like to get everyone in the last episode.
 
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