Something else I noticed. That map of the North in Roose's chambers. That's....not parchment the map is drawn on.
yep, noticed that. thought i was looking at it funny at first. the boltons is fucked up.
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yep, noticed that. thought i was looking at it funny at first. the boltons is fucked up.
Oh it may get more upsetting than that. If Cersei's bought out Bronn, that may mean that they're basically turning him into Kettleblack for season 5.
I think anyone attempting to fight the Mountain would have to go through Oberyn first.
bodyofanamerican
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Stop making so much sense.
I don't think Stannis is as screwed as everyone thinks he is. No he has the Iron Bank behind him he could feasibly take the Iron Throne, as long as he survives the battle for Winterfell.
I could see it going eitherway.
To me, there was always doubt as to whether book Shae ever really loved Tyrion. So for her to easily betray him and then end up in Tywins bed was just confirmation that she was still a whore. TV Shae genuinely seems to love him and has already turned down a generous bribe. While I could buy her testifying against Tyrion because of yesterday's scene, its harder to shallow that she would sleep with Tywin.
There may even be a combination of the two where Shae testifies against Tyrion and then Tywin makes good on his promise to kill her.
Cornballer
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The WiCnet people do one here. They also do a weekly live show. Last week's is here. I haven't listened to or watched either of these, so I can't vouch for them.
So errr... Balon Greyjoy is still alive in the show right? And maybe I'm overinterpreting the scene, it was a dwarf recreation of War of the Five Kings during Joffrey's wedding, but didn't they like, you know, outright said that Balon Greyjoy drowned? Which, afaik, still didn't happen?
GRRM wrote the episode and he could just as well not know Balon is still alive in the show. But then during the production stages wouldn't someone notice? I mean, I'd have no problem with the scene, it could just mean that Balon is as good as dead, but they mentioned Balon dying in the exact same way he actually dies in the scene. I don't know. Awkward.
Fine episode still, though the pacing in the first half was weird, somewhat too abrupt in my opinion. Ramsay chance should had been shorter, his tortures are monotonous and server as not much more but shock value by this point. I'm surprised Tree Internet is already making an appearance. And please, enough with Rains of Castamere, it's like nobody knows any other song than this one. It's a wedding, through A Bear and a Maiden Fair in there or something!
Joffrey's death looked disturbing. Good. I thought I'd be more horrified by it but they set up Joffrey being despicable well enough to make his scene less disgusting.
GRRM wrote the episode and he could just as well not know Balon is still alive in the show. But then during the production stages wouldn't someone notice? I mean, I'd have no problem with the scene, it could just mean that Balon is as good as dead, but they mentioned Balon dying in the exact same way he actually dies in the scene. I don't know. Awkward.
Fine episode still, though the pacing in the first half was weird, somewhat too abrupt in my opinion. Ramsay chance should had been shorter, his tortures are monotonous and server as not much more but shock value by this point. I'm surprised Tree Internet is already making an appearance. And please, enough with Rains of Castamere, it's like nobody knows any other song than this one. It's a wedding, through A Bear and a Maiden Fair in there or something!
Joffrey's death looked disturbing. Good. I thought I'd be more horrified by it but they set up Joffrey being despicable well enough to make his scene less disgusting.
Comicbookgirl19 is doing a 25+ minute recap of each episode. They're videos but it works the same as a podcast. I listened to her first video on the way to work this morning.
NekoFever
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I'm pretty sure Balon and Stannis were still standing at the end when the Joffrey actor was celebrating his victory.
But yes, he's still alive. We saw him at the end of last season when Asha or whatever her name is in the show left to save Theon.
Dude, you're reading too much into it. Stannis is also alive and his dwarf counterpart "died" during the battle, as well. Didn't all of the other dwarf kings "die" aside from Joff?
I think he means how Balon's dwarf specifically "dies" by falling down and screaming "I'm Drowning, I'm Drowning!" I noticed it too, its probably just foreshadowing.
Well, how else would you kill the guy who worships the Drowned God in your silly dwarf show?
Red Arremer
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Rains of Castamere is one of the more memorable themes in the show, Season 3 as well as this entire season is mostly in the light of the Lannisters being at the peak of their power - this is their time in the spotlight, so it is only fitting for their song to be played left and right.
Theres probably a thousand different ways? All I'm saying is that its not far fetched to think that that was thrown in as hint of things to come.
NekoFever
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I'd put that down to making fun of the Greyjoys' religion.
FootballFan
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Managed to watch it yesterday.
Very good episode, they did the Purple Wedding proud.
Also I was loved that flashback/forward by Bran segment. Spooky.
A very good episode all in all.
9/10 chickens from me.
Very good episode, they did the Purple Wedding proud.
Also I was loved that flashback/forward by Bran segment. Spooky.
A very good episode all in all.
9/10 chickens from me.
DrForester
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Yeah probably as I said I may be reading too much into it, it just stuck out to me as it was pretty much exactly what happened to Balon in the books.
I know, I know, I just wish they'd use more of the songs. I find it kinda tiring that they stick to only Rains, Rains, Rains...
I know, I know, I just wish they'd use more of the songs. I find it kinda tiring that they stick to only Rains, Rains, Rains...
I'd think he doesn't actually drown, but dies from the massive fall anyway so.
Morrigan Stark
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Yup. Women can rule, it's just that (outside of Dorne) their younger brothers usually take precedent over them in the line of succession.
Yup. He went all [Breaking Bad]
Walter White
What do you mean, "dropped this episode"?
LADDAH!
Rentahamster
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I liked the part where I thought Joff was starting to die, but he only spit out his wine from laughing too hard.
Morrigan Stark
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Again:
I do so hope he plays us The Rains of Castamere. It has been an hour, Ive forgotten how it goes.
In other words, I think it's the point. They've been gloating with that song for so long, and now bam.
Pai Pai Master
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He looked pissed. Not that his illegitimate grandson was being murdered, but that the fact that a Lannister was allowed to be seen so vulnerable in front of such a huge number of people. Dance is so perfect in the role.
FootballFan
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Noticed that too. Thought it was time for it right then and there.
Ok this is fucking GOLD
Okay, I'm popping in from the show thread and posting without looking at anything, so could someone PM me an answer to this.
Is the plot behind Joffrey's death in the book discussed beforehand, and the details given (e.g. "so-and-so poisons Joffrey's cup during a commotion"), or is it presented as a mystery (e.g. "Joffrey suddenly collapses as confusion reigns")?
Is the plot behind Joffrey's death in the book discussed beforehand, and the details given (e.g. "so-and-so poisons Joffrey's cup during a commotion"), or is it presented as a mystery (e.g. "Joffrey suddenly collapses as confusion reigns")?
PMed.
Moff
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I noticed that, too. but I just took is a a jibe do the drowned god.
balon might not die in this season at all, if they want to show eurons landing.
of course they can also do it like in the books, they will deal with ironborn in moat cailing, maybe they will show his death at that time.
DrForester
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Imgur is gold today.
Pai Pai Master
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I'm not sure when they plan on starting up the AFFC/ADWD Ironborn plot, but if I had to guess they will simply kill Balon off when they do and lead directly into the Kingsmoot. If I'm recalling it correctly, Balon dying in the book was just kinda this offhand thing mentioned, and didn't come up again as a major plot point until the start of AFFC right? I'd expect we won't start seeing stuff from AFFC come up until the 2nd half of the season?
DrForester
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Moff
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well neither euron, victarion or aeron have have been cast, so the whole ironborn plot will be in season 5. thats why I think balons death might be in season 5, too. although in the books it was also mentioned in ASOS. but I think it will work better in the show when they show is death right before the whole train of events starts.
Pai Pai Master
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nice.
Agreed, makes much more sense for the show to do it later on when it will be fresh in the viewers' minds. It's not really something that needs to happen early and stew for a while.
I don't know if show watchers will understand the magnitude of Tywin Lannister's death. He's the most important Lannister we've known so far. Joffrey died in the 2nd episode because, lets face it, he was a no one. Life doesn't really change for the Lannisters after Joffrey's death, but when Tywin dies, shit goes crazy. Heck, you end with Cersei's walk of shame!
FootballFan
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He was an excellent Joffrey. Great casting, unlike Dany.
Moff
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Why woulnt they understand?
he is the only "villain" left in westeros. at least one with real power.
Its been awhile, I thought it was that he fell off the bridge and then his bloated body washed up days later. I think some even poke fun at the irony of his death, which is why I assumed he drowned.
FootballFan
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Will be interesting to see the reactions once he bites the dust.
It's pretty clear that Tywin is the one in control to anyone who watches the show. Joffrey is a petulant child who had Ned Stark beheaded. Tywin is the mastermind who orchestrated the deaths of Robb, Catelyn, Talisa and her unborn child, and the bulk of the northern army. The very first scene of this season doubled down on the imagery of Tywin himself shattering and burning the Starks down.
I also think people in this thread should not worry so much about what show-only watchers may or may not think or find important.
Rentahamster
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Yeah, I was all itshappening.gif, and then blue balls from the headfake.
Rentahamster
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With my favorite insufferable assholes Viserys and Joff dead, who am I supposed to hate now?
Laurentius
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Ramsay?
PhoenixDark
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Sansa.
I won't be able to watch this episode for awhile (or catch up on this thread) but does this episode also reveal Tyrion's realization that Joffrey was behind the attempt on Bran's life, or do they gloss over this? It's an act that further cemented Tyrion's dislike for Jof, and I was hoping the show would include it. Not to mention, it was part of book 3s closing of the loop on various threads.
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