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[PhoenixDark]

I don't really expect much more than Sansa and Arya spoilers. Anything else will be more in the vein of the White Walker/baby spoiler from last year, where it was more a clarification of things that happened off screen in the books than actual future events.

Like, I think you could see some of the weird Hardhome stuff play out on screen, instead of just hints and rumors, and I think you could maybe see some of Stannis and Mel's interrogation of Mance that might shed light on what he's actually up to, but I don't think the Northern stuff will actually move beyond the books chronologically.

And the King's Landing and Meereen stuff seem pretty much confirmed to stay within the confines of the book, since we know roughly where those are ending, other than potentially

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the Dany and Tyrion thing, but i don't think they'll actually interact much before she flies away.

I'm pretty much 100% sold on the notion than one way or another it's been merged into the Dorne stuff. Assuming Aegon and Dorne quickly form an alliance, it's becomes way too easy to just combine them, especially in light of Arianne being missing, if her main role is to partner with Aegon.

Good points. I think people have underestimated how much stuff can be mined from ADWD/AFFC. Sansa and Bran are the only characters with no book material left. And given how much stuff has been skipped for Sansa (LF being challenged by the Lords Declarant, mountain tribe skirmishes which can be done on screen, leaving the highest Eyrie towers due to winter).

Agreed on Dorne, although I hope to god this doesn't mean they make Trystane=Aegon, unless it's Doran's master plan which I'd be fine with I guess. But if he believes Trystane is his son it'll take some crazy explanation I don't want to deal with.

 

[Valhelm]

Sounds more like they're simply taking a different path to the same end game. For instance they're doing something completely different with Jaime, and it sounds like Littlefinger's story has changed too.

My only confusion is over Aegon. I don't believe he has been cut, given how important his arc seems to be for the book; I'd bet $50 that he will be king before the end of TWOW. So...where is he.

I think the Trystane = Aegon theory is very plausible. I'm guessing that the Golden Company plot will be combined with the plot to make Myrcella queen. The "old alliance" between the Targaryens and Martells was that Trystane was raised in secret as a Martell, and that Doran would make Trystane king.

We'll find out that the marriage between Trystane and Myrcella was a way to consolidate power between the two houses. This will also forshadow the inevitable Jon Snow-Daenerys wedding.

 

[Pluto]

So which slipcovers are people going for for Season 4? Leaning towards Martell even if the Tyrells had more of a story presence.

Clegane, it's badass. It's also the only variant cover abailable here but I think I'd pick it even if there were other choices.

 

[Iksenpets]

Good points. I think people have underestimated how much stuff can be mined from ADWD/AFFC. Sansa and Bran are the only characters with no book material left. And given how much stuff has been skipped for Sansa (LF being challenged by the Lords Declarant, mountain tribe skirmishes which can be done on screen, leaving the highest Eyrie towers due to winter).

Agreed on Dorne, although I hope to god this doesn't mean they make Trystane=Aegon, unless it's Doran's master plan which I'd be fine with I guess. But if he believes Trystane is his son it'll take some crazy explanation I don't want to deal with.

Ok, yeah, if Doran doesn't know, that's ridiculous. My main problem with Trystaegon, even if Doran knows, is that it really maximizes the damage to Varys. If he snuck Aegon out of KL and is working towards making him king, why is he now bringing Tyrion to Dany instead of to Dorne? I guess you could say that Doran had some agent in KL other than Varys who snuck the boy out, but then why didn't he try to get his whole family out?

I think it works best if Trystane isn't Aegon. Instead Dorne is just angling for an alliance with Dany, and launches a preemptive strike that mirrors Aegon's attack in the book. Then Varys can just be a Dany loyalist with no other complication, and the overall political situation remains the same as in the book, even if the characters and motivations have shifted.

 

[bengraven]

I wonder if they dare kill major characters that George hasn't written are dead yet. Like "oh, Jaime dies in the beginning of book 7, let's just kill him off at the end of season 5 or 6...".

 

[kirblar]

I wonder if they dare kill major characters that George hasn't written are dead yet. Like "oh, Jaime dies in the beginning of book 7, let's just kill him off at the end of season 5 or 6...".

I have a suspicion that Jaime had his storyline this season invented to stave off his demise.

 

[bengraven]

I have a suspicion that Jaime had his storyline this season invented to stave off his demise.

Could very well be.

You know, Jaime doesn't have much time in major scenes period I just realized. Having him escape in Season 2, reach KL before Joff's death, and going to Dorne...the show has more Jaime than the books.

He's kind of barely in the books despite numerous off hand mentions.

 

[Willkiller]

Could very well be.

You know, Jaime doesn't have much time in major scenes period I just realized. Having him escape in Season 2, reach KL before Joff's death, and going to Dorne...the show has more Jaime than the books.

He's kind of barely in the books despite numerous off hand mentions.

hmm

 

[bengraven]

hmm

 

[bodyofanamerican]

Could very well be.

You know, Jaime doesn't have much time in major scenes period I just realized. Having him escape in Season 2, reach KL before Joff's death, and going to Dorne...the show has more Jaime than the books.

He's kind of barely in the books despite numerous off hand mentions.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Ok, yeah, if Doran doesn't know, that's ridiculous. My main problem with Trystaegon, even if Doran knows, is that it really maximizes the damage to Varys. If he snuck Aegon out of KL and is working towards making him king, why is he now bringing Tyrion to Dany instead of to Dorne? I guess you could say that Doran had some agent in KL other than Varys who snuck the boy out, but then why didn't he try to get his whole family out?

I think it works best if Trystane isn't Aegon. Instead Dorne is just angling for an alliance with Dany, and launches a preemptive strike that mirrors Aegon's attack in the book. Then Varys can just be a Dany loyalist with no other complication, and the overall political situation remains the same as in the book, even if the characters and motivations have shifted.

Maybe he's just bringing Tyrion to Dany because he doesn't want to reveal that Aegon is alive? What good would bringing Tyrion to Trystaegon do?

Or maybe it's a case that Aegon truly is a fake and Varys knows this, and is simply avoiding allying with the losing side. Either way, we all know he's not the real deal in the books, so you get the same outcome without having to explain the Blackfyre's and all that.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Still doesn't make sense for Dorne to start the rebellion alone. Unless they have the Golden Company coming it wouldn't make sense. And even the Golden Company alone wouldn't work that well. Doran wasn't cautious because he's a baby - he knows Dorne can't withstand Tyrell/Lannister without Dany. Not trying to court Dany in some fashion in the show would not make much sense. Not that this has stopped David and Dan before!

 

[Iksenpets]

I have a suspicion that Jaime had his storyline this season invented to stave off his demise.

Changing the tenor of Jaime and Tyrion's last scene does kind of imply that they never meet again, since that would pretty seriously change any reunion scene.

Still doesn't make sense for Dorne to start the rebellion alone. Unless they have the Golden Company coming it wouldn't make sense. And even the Golden Company alone wouldn't work that well. Doran wasn't cautious because he's a baby - he knows Dorne can't withstand Tyrell/Lannister without Dany. Not trying to court Dany in some fashion in the show would not make much sense. Not that this has stopped David and Dan before!

I think they could parallel the [Winds sample]

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decision by Doran to give Arianne the ultimate authority to send the troops to war by having him give Trystane command so he can make the rash decision instead of Doran.

It could also parallel Aegon's decision to impress Dany with military victories instead of trying to join her first. They would probably need to downplay the relative weakness of Dorne to make it work, and play up the shakiness of Lannister-Tyrell power in the aftermath of Cersei's downfall, but I think it works better than any other Aegon-less alternative.

Maybe he's just bringing Tyrion to Dany because he doesn't want to reveal that Aegon is alive? What good would bringing Tyrion to Trystaegon do?

Or maybe it's a case that Aegon truly is a fake and Varys knows this, and is simply avoiding allying with the losing side. Either way, we all know he's not the real deal in the books, so you get the same outcome without having to explain the Blackfyre's and all that.

Yeah, that all works if Varys isn't part of the show's version of the Aegon scheme. I think it's weird to have the Aegon plan without Varys being the one who got him out of the city, but that may just be knowledge of the book plot coloring my opinion.

 

[Valhelm]

I have a suspicion that Jaime had his storyline this season invented to stave off his demise.

 

[Turin]

I have a suspicion that Jaime had his storyline this season invented to stave off his demise.

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[Basileus777]

Agreed on Dorne, although I hope to god this doesn't mean they make Trystane=Aegon, unless it's Doran's master plan which I'd be fine with I guess. But if he believes Trystane is his son it'll take some crazy explanation I don't want to deal with.

God I hope they don't do this. They'd be better off cutting Aegon out entirely than making him Trystane. But I honestly don't see what role Aegon has in the show that necessitates his existence.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

God I hope they don't do this. They'd be better off cutting Aegon out entirely than making him Trystane. But I honestly don't see what role Aegon has in the show that necessitates his existence.

A potential Targaryen / Martell alliance between Dany and Doran. Aegon's as good as dead in the books, which means that the Martells will most likely side with Dany as was their original plan. Making Trystane Aegon and then killing him off in battle or whatever at the hands of the Lannisters / Tyrells will further show their desire for revenge and would make their alliance with Dany clear to the Unsullied fans.

 

[Basileus777]

A potential Targaryen / Martell alliance between Dany and Doran. Aegon's as good as dead in the books, which means that the Martells will most likely side with Dany as was their original plan. Making Trystane Aegon and then killing him off in battle or whatever at the hands of the Lannisters / Tyrells will further show their desire for revenge and would make their alliance with Dany clear to the Unsullied fans.

I'm not sure how Trystane needs to be Aegon for any of that to work.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I'm not sure how Trystane needs to be Aegon for any of that to work.

What else would prompt Doran to ally with Dany? There's no Aryanne or Quentyn.

 

[Basileus777]

What else would prompt Doran to ally with Dany? There's no Aryanne or Quentyn.

Why do you need something special to prompt that alliance? It was his original plan in AFFC/ADWD.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Why do you need something special to prompt that alliance? It was his original plan in AFFC/ADWD.

His original plan was to marry Quentyn to Dany and Arianne to Viserys to absolutely secure an alliance. Doran isn't the kind of man to declare himself for Dany on a whim and risk angering the Lannisters.

 

[Basileus777]

His original plan was to marry Quentyn to Dany and Arianne to Viserys to absolutely secure an alliance. Doran isn't the kind of man to declare himself for Dany on a whim and risk angering the Lannisters.

And how does making Trystane Aegon change any of this?

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

And how does making Trystane Aegon change any of this?

It gives Doran an excuse to get involved in the war and to eventually ally with Dany when Aegon kicks the bucket.

 

[Basileus777]

It gives Doran an excuse to get involved in the war and to eventually ally with Dany when Aegon kicks the bucket.

But Trystane doesn't need to be Aegon to die. Not that the Martells really need extra motivation to go to war with the Lannisters.

 

[PhoenixDark]

His original plan was to marry Quentyn to Dany and Arianne to Viserys to absolutely secure an alliance. Doran isn't the kind of man to declare himself for Dany on a whim and risk angering the Lannisters.

Technically his first plan was Arianne marrying Viserys; at the time he had no plans for Dany. He thought Viserys would bring an army. Considering the contract was made with an Archon in attendance, I'm assuming the plan was for Viserys to unite a large, Ninepenny King type Essos force and then invade Westeros. Viserys being a dumbass and clearly insane probably ensured it didn't work, although perhaps Illyrio helped sabotage it.

A big ass Essosi army would be just the type of thing Doran would like for reassurance. Without some type of backup it really doesn't make sense for Doran to crown Trystane/Aegon and declare war alone...

 

[Scottify]

I thought this was interesting. A drawing of a new look Arya for next season.

Entertainment Weekly

The vengeful teen survivor gets her first major costume upgrade since the show’s first season, finally ditching those raggedy brown threads in exchange for a lighter, more feminine dress.

“I love Arya’s new look,” actress Maisie Williams told EW. “It’s very neutral, very plain, but clean! I have clean hair that actually moves.”

The transformation helps Arya stay anonymous while roaming the streets in her new home across the sea in the free city of Braavos.

 

[Incandenza]

Perhaps she'll be selling cockles, mussels, and clams in that outfit.

 

[pulga]

Perhaps she'll be selling cockles, mussels, and clams in that outfit.

In and around canals, maybe?

 

[Bigby]

Lol, I hope her hair won't look like that.

 

[bengraven]

In and around canals, maybe?

Like a cat.

 

[Euron]

I have a suspicion that Jaime had his storyline this season invented to stave off his demise.

If D&D kill Jaime, we riot.


Also I can see some major adjustments to Doran's plan happening. The existence of Quentyn turns the whole "Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood." thing into a joke and makes him look like an idiot.

 

[Basileus777]

Also I can see some major adjustments to Doran's plan happening. The existence of Quentyn turns the whole "Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood." thing into a joke and makes him look like an idiot.

Well that's how it turned out in the books too. ADWD turns that scene into a comedic one. Doran talks a tough game, but all of his plans fail or backfire on him.

 

[Iksenpets]

Lol, I hope her hair won't look like that.

Based on the photos from a few months back, I'm pretty sure her hair totally looks like that.

 

[Violater]

Do we get Stone Heart this season?
Or is that story line officially cut?

 

[Bigby]

Based on the photos from a few months back, I'm pretty sure her hair totally looks like that.

I just saw them. Oh well, I'll get used to it.

Do we get Stone Heart this season?
Or is that story line officially cut?

I don't think it was confirmed.

 

[biosnake20]

I always thought it would be a cool idea to see Catelyn and Jon resurrect at the same time on screen. Maybe the manderly speech could be in the background.

 

[Kain]

I always thought it would be a cool idea to see Catelyn and Jon resurrect at the same time on screen. Maybe the manderly speech could be in the background.

That's just... too good!

 

[Violater]

I just saw them. Oh well, I'll get used to it.



I don't think it was confirmed.

trying to figure how they could introduce her at this point, sans a flashback.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

That's kind of a cool look for Arya...I like the hair a lot.

 

[biosnake20]

Another new teaser came out but people are still having trouble accessing it.

Here are some pics:
http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/sj4iy/library/The%20Sight

 

[PhoenixDark]

Well that's how it turned out in the books too. ADWD turns that scene into a comedic one. Doran talks a tough game, but all of his plans fail or backfire on him.

Yea it's pretty funny his master plan is basically to send his nerd son to marry Dany, with little to no backup. Granted it was a good deal any logical person would have accepted but Dany is Dany. A child dumbass. I wouldn't want to fuck Quentyn either though, he'd have to be a cuckold, and Victarion would be my main dick.

 

[Iksenpets]

Another new teaser came out but people are still having trouble accessing it.

Here are some pics:
http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/sj4iy/library/The%20Sight

This would be a fun promo if the shots actually told us anything about the new season. But that's just a bunch of shots of season 4. What's the point?

Yea it's pretty funny his master plan is basically to send his nerd son to marry Dany, with little to no backup. Granted it was a good deal any logical person would have accepted but Dany is Dany. A child dumbass. I wouldn't want to fuck Quentyn either though, he'd have to be a cuckold, and Victarion would be my main dick.

Sleeping with Victarion is risky business. One wrong move and he's honor-killing you with his lava fist. (Do we know if the fist is like physically hot? That would really complicate things, too...)

Best to stay with good old Daario.

 

[biosnake20]

Yea it's pretty funny his master plan is basically to send his nerd son to marry Dany, with little to no backup. Granted it was a good deal any logical person would have accepted but Dany is Dany. A child dumbass. I wouldn't want to fuck Quentyn either though, he'd have to be a cuckold, and Victarion would be my main dick.

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[RatskyWatsky]

tbh I've always thought Jorah would be a good lay

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Personally I ship Dany x Belwas

 

[Moff]

I never had a problem with drogo/dany myself, they were an adorable couple. and would you really doubt drogo was the best performer among the men in dany's life? please.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Personally I ship Dany x Belwas

 

[Iksenpets]

I never had a problem with drogo/dany myself, they were an adorable couple. and would you really doubt drogo was the best performer among the men in dany's life? please.

Didn't Drogo once finish in only three thrusts? Daario would never do that.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Didn't Drogo once finish in only three thrusts? Daario would never do that.

LMAO, I remember that.

 

[Incandenza]

tbh I've always thought Jorah would be a good lay

Jorah would cry afterwards, guaranteed.