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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread

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Iksenpets

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Ok cool, thanks a lot. So do the books explain yet whether or not her killing of Renly was legit or just coincidence? And why Stannis didn't win the kings landing battle like he was supposed to? (Maybe this was explained already and I just missed it.) Can Melisandre actually create new predetermined paths for people (through some kind of magic like Jaquen Hagar) or does she just claim to see the future?

At this point in the show I'm not convinced her god is real, only that she can do some kind of magic and hypnosis. But there are other people who can do similar stuff and it seems like Stannis is just being taken along for a ride by her for whatever she wants.

Mel can definitely see the future, but interpreting what she sees is difficult. She may see Stannis, say, winning a battle, but there's no context in that to tell her what battle, when, so she fills in the blanks, often incorrectly. She definitely knew what she was doing with Renly, but beyond the ability to do that shadow attack, I don't think she can actually influence outside events, only see them. I would pay particular attention to the bathtub scene between Mel and Selyse in season 4 where she talks about tricks and how sometimes lies can lead to greater truths. That scene has probably the best insight the show's given so far into how Mel operates.

As for her God, I don't think you're ever going to get a clear answer one way or the other on whether or not any of the gods exist. There is definitely something supernatural in the world, but whether that's a god or whether it's just some magic force people can use, and then attribute the power to a god, I don't think we'll ever know for sure.
 
On the Sand Snake' armor:

As for the much-debated armor of Oberyn Martell’s daughters, Clapton explains to The Cut that “It certainly wasn’t my intention” to have nippled armor and that she’s “not terribly keen on it.” Clapton says that the nippled look was an error, that it happened because of the structured molds used to create the Sand Snakes’ scaled armor.

“They sand it off to an extent, but they didn’t do it as much as I wanted them to.[…] The Cut reports that the rushed production of GoT is the reason why she didn’t notice the insufficient sanding until it was too late.
 
Be interesting to see what they do in post/what it actually ends up looking like.

Not surprising to hear Maisie is looking forward to wearing some different costumes after a few years of wearing the same thing.
 
That's a shame. I hope it doesn't come across as bad in the final show as it does in the set photos.

I like this show but let's be honest, the armor design in general is not up to par with the source material.

The pageantry, heraldry and equipment of chivalry that GRRM loves so much is obviously something that the people behind the show aren't that interested in.
 

RaidenZR

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I like this show but let's be honest, the armor design in general is not up to par with the source material.

The pageantry, heraldry and equipment of chivalry that GRRM loves so much is obviously something that the people behind the show aren't that interested in.

C'mon now... The show has natural production limitations that GRRM's descriptions (or your imagination) will never have. Don't be unreasonable.

This is one aspect of the show I don't think is fair to criticize negatively. They've done an admirable job making costumes, armor and weapons given their limited time and financial resources... and your negative comment seems to be in direct response to something the costume designer said was a flat-out error. Shit happens.
 

Iksenpets

Banned
I like this show but let's be honest, the armor design in general is not up to par with the source material.

The pageantry, heraldry and equipment of chivalry that GRRM loves so much is obviously something that the people behind the show aren't that interested in.

Have to disagree there. The armor as described in the books would look pretty laughable in real life. I prefer the grounded look of the show.

And I hope if the Sand Snakes look in filming like they did in those photos, they touch it up in post. Doesn't seem like it'd be too hard of a task to just smooth it out, at least for shots where they're not moving quickly enough where you wouldn't be able to see it anyway.
 
C'mon now... The show has natural production limitations that GRRM's descriptions (or your imagination) will never have. Don't be unreasonable.

This is one aspect of the show I don't think is fair to criticize negatively. They've done an admirable job making costumes, armor and weapons given their limited time and financial resources... and yourr negative comment seems to be in direct response to something the costume designer said was a flat-out error. Shit happens.

I'm not trying to be unreasonable but I don't see why it would be so difficult to get the house banners right, for example. They're more colourful and interesting in the book lore than what they translated onto the screen.

There's obviously a lot of thought gone into the series Kingsguard uniforms but I don't find them particularly grounded or interesting to look at with their inexplicable tribal patterns. The Lannister guard uniforms look like they come from Xena and I can't even remember what the Gold Cloaks look like. There are many more examples but, as I said, I enjoy the series on its own terms so I'm not going to nitpick it death.

To be clear, I'm not faulting them for lack of detail and not having a limitless budget - it's frustrating because clearly, they have invested in these things but I just find the design prioritises things in a way that misses the point of the source material..
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
I think the costumes/armor/weapons in the show are fine, for what they are. The main thing I dislike is how they took all the character and color from the books out of the world of the TV show and replaced them with the bland generic western medieval fantasy trappings that everyone is so familiar with.
 

Euron

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So does something directly happen to her or does she see something?

Is Lyn Corbray in the show? There's a popular theory that he will rape Sweetrobin, killing him in the process with Sansa walking in on it happening. That would certainly be a controversial chapter.
 
So does something directly happen to her or does she see something?

Is Lyn Corbray in the show? There's a popular theory that he will rape Sweetrobin, killing him in the process with Sansa walking in on it happening. That would certainly be a controversial chapter.

Don't think so but Vance Corbray was in the room when Sansa told everyone who she was.
 

Iksenpets

Banned
So we're getting the rumored Sansa chapter, whatever that happens to be, it sounds like. I would guess Sansa's going to spend the first half or so of the season in some invented plot, and then pivot back to her book plot in time to make whatever that Winds chapter is into her climax for the season. Wouldn't be surprised if we get a Sansa preview chapter from GRRM in the next few months then, similar to what he did with the Mercy chapter.

Winds spoilers for Arya and Sansa are pretty much confirmed. Probably some degree of spoilers for the Northern plot, too. Shit's going down.

Don't think so but Vance Corbray was in the room when Sansa told everyone who she was.

My guess is they renamed Lyn precisely because they're not doing the pedophilia plot with him, so he's not really the same character anymore. That sounds like the sort of renaming they're always doing when they change a character in a pretty fundamental way.
 
So we're getting the rumored Sansa chapter, whatever that happens to be, it sounds like. I would guess Sansa's going to spend the first half or so of the season in some invented plot, and then pivot back to her book plot in time to make whatever that Winds chapter is into her climax for the season. Wouldn't be surprised if we get a Sansa preview chapter from GRRM in the next few months then, similar to what he did with the Mercy chapter.

Winds spoilers for Arya and Sansa are pretty much confirmed. Probably some degree of spoilers for the Northern plot, too. Shit's going down.

I still don't understand why they'll give us Winds spoilers for Arya and Sansa, but yet, they leave out Bran for an entire year.

It just...doesn't make sense. If his arc in Winds and beyond is about events that are yet to come (using the tree internet to see into the future and all that), then that's absolutely avoidable for the show. Just have them see Theon at Winterfell or something, or do flashbacks with Lyanna and Ned as children, or hell, even go into detail about what his training entails.

But that's kind of besides the point. Mercy was awesome, yeah, but it was filler. Nothing of huge consequence happened in it. If this Sansa event is as major as they're making it out to be, I doubt George would release a preview chapter of it.

I do agree that the first half of the seasons will be an invented plot, though.
 

Ogimachi

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So does something directly happen to her or does she see something?

Is Lyn Corbray in the show? There's a popular theory that he will rape Sweetrobin, killing him in the process with Sansa walking in on it happening. That would certainly be a controversial chapter.
I think it's either that or the theory that she kills Harry(replaced here by Sweetrobin) during the bedding.

The way she says "horrible for everyone involved" suggests something worse than murder or a fight IMO.

I still don't understand why they'll give us Winds spoilers for Arya and Sansa, but yet, they leave out Bran for an entire year.

It just...doesn't make sense. If his arc in Winds and beyond is about events that are yet to come (using the tree internet to see into the future and all that), then that's absolutely avoidable for the show. Just have them see Theon at Winterfell or something, or do flashbacks with Lyanna and Ned as children, or hell, even go into detail about what his training entails.

But that's kind of besides the point. Mercy was awesome, yeah, but it was filler. Nothing of huge consequence happened in it. If this Sansa event is as major as they're making it out to be, I doubt George would release a preview chapter of it.

I do agree that the first half of the seasons will be an invented plot, though.
Probably because the next step in Bran's story reveals too much too early, like R+L=J, or maybe the things he'll see/do wouldn't fit before the Others atack, for example.
 
I still don't understand why they'll give us Winds spoilers for Arya and Sansa, but yet, they leave out Bran for an entire year.

It just...doesn't make sense. If his arc in Winds and beyond is about events that are yet to come (using the tree internet to see into the future and all that), then that's absolutely avoidable for the show. Just have them see Theon at Winterfell or something, or do flashbacks with Lyanna and Ned as children, or hell, even go into detail about what his training entails.

But that's kind of besides the point. Mercy was awesome, yeah, but it was filler. Nothing of huge consequence happened in it. If this Sansa event is as major as they're making it out to be, I doubt George would release a preview chapter of it.

I do agree that the first half of the seasons will be an invented plot, though.

I really dislike how people use the word "filler." It's her first chapter in the book...

btw I love this theory (spoilers)
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2mskkc/spoilers_all_a_swift_end_in_braavos/
 

Iksenpets

Banned
I still don't understand why they'll give us Winds spoilers for Arya and Sansa, but yet, they leave out Bran for an entire year.

It just...doesn't make sense. If his arc in Winds and beyond is about events that are yet to come (using the tree internet to see into the future and all that), then that's absolutely avoidable for the show. Just have them see Theon at Winterfell or something, or do flashbacks with Lyanna and Ned as children, or hell, even go into detail about what his training entails.

But that's kind of besides the point. Mercy was awesome, yeah, but it was filler. Nothing of huge consequence happened in it. If this Sansa event is as major as they're making it out to be, I doubt George would release a preview chapter of it.

I do agree that the first half of the seasons will be an invented plot, though.

I think all three of the Stark kids have pretty uneventful, undramatic arcs in Feast/Dance. Bran's just the only one they have the option of cutting, since he's all caught up and since he's not terribly popular with viewers. Arya and Sansa really have to be there, and so they have to move into new material to maintain the pace they want.

You could go the flashback route with Bran, but that opens up a budgetary issue, having to cast all these flashback characters.
 
So we're getting the rumored Sansa chapter, whatever that happens to be, it sounds like. I would guess Sansa's going to spend the first half or so of the season in some invented plot, and then pivot back to her book plot in time to make whatever that Winds chapter is into her climax for the season. Wouldn't be surprised if we get a Sansa preview chapter from GRRM in the next few months then, similar to what he did with the Mercy chapter.

Winds spoilers for Arya and Sansa are pretty much confirmed. Probably some degree of spoilers for the Northern plot, too. Shit's going down.



My guess is they renamed Lyn precisely because they're not doing the pedophilia plot with him, so he's not really the same character anymore. That sounds like the sort of renaming they're always doing when they change a character in a pretty fundamental way.

I still think they might do pedophilia plot with him, I can't really think of anything else that would be traumatic and hard to look at.
 
Ran/Elio said he didn't mean something controversial happens to Sansa. There's an interview he did with a Spanish site that allegedly translates to him saying the chapter introduces a character he believes will be controversial with fans. Can't google it at work but I want to say the interview is from last year.

Perhaps Harry The Heir?
 
Ran/Elio said he didn't mean something controversial happens to Sansa. There's an interview he did with a Spanish site that allegedly translates to him saying the chapter introduces a character he believes will be controversial with fans. Can't google it at work but I want to say the interview is from last year.

Perhaps Harry The Heir?

I think there's a very good chance it's been commented on as "controversial" is because of something Sansa does, not something done to her.

Who knows though.

TWOW soon believe!
 

Iksenpets

Banned
I still think they might do pedophilia plot with him, I can't really think of anything else that would be traumatic and hard to look at.

I was thinking Sansa murdering Robin would qualify as both traumatic and controversial.

Ran/Elio said he didn't mean something controversial happens to Sansa. There's an interview he did with a Spanish site that allegedly translates to him saying the chapter introduces a character he believes will be controversial with fans. Can't google it at work but I want to say the interview is from last year.

Perhaps Harry The Heir?

So the controversy is actually just going to be that Harry is such an over the top douche that we're all going to hate him.
 
Last year around this time HBO released their upcoming in 2014 trailer that had the first glimpse of season 4. Tonight is the series finale of The Newsroom so i'm thinking they might release a trailer similar to that tonight and hopefully we'll see some season 5 footage.
 

Zerokku

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
So which slipcovers are people going for for Season 4? Leaning towards Martell even if the Tyrells had more of a story presence.
 
So which slipcovers are people going for for Season 4? Leaning towards Martell even if the Tyrells had more of a story presence.
I think I'm getting the Martell one, looks really cool.

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Game of Thrones DM'd users that signed up through the Sight teaser site, but it looks like the site is pretty buggy and I can't view the content (Twitter says it's happening to others).
 
I think I'm getting the Martell one, looks really cool.

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Game of Thrones DM'd users that signed up through the Sight teaser site, but it looks like the site is pretty buggy and I can't view the content (Twitter says it's happening to others).

Yea it's weird it looks like you can only view it once then it goes away. It's Jamie having a nightmare
and seeing LSH.
lol
 

Turin

Banned
No Bran this season though. The dream is dead, gentlemen.

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WaffleTaco

Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I'm just getting the regular cover. I just want the HBO store to have some Martell clothing.

Edit: Just checked again and they have like one TV shirt...I am guessing they will add more closer to the season starts, since they are the new big family.
 

Snuggles

erotic butter maelstrom
I'm very confident that Stoneheart will be in the TV show. It's too juicy of a twist to drop. I think Brienne will be the one to meet her...she has no purpose right now otherwise aside from maybe going back to the Vale.
 
Elio said based on what he knows he doesn't believe there will be much TWOW stuff this season. He'll be able to confirm it within the next few weeks though.
 

Ogimachi

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Elio said based on what he knows he doesn't believe there will be much TWOW stuff this season. He'll be able to confirm it within the next few weeks though.
Then they're doing GRRM a favour, and I still have my doubts the man will release TWOW before the 6th season.
 
Then they're doing GRRM a favour, and I still have my doubts the man will release TWOW before the 6th season.

Sounds more like they're simply taking a different path to the same end game. For instance they're doing something completely different with Jaime, and it sounds like Littlefinger's story has changed too.

My only confusion is over Aegon. I don't believe he has been cut, given how important his arc seems to be for the book; I'd bet $50 that he will be king before the end of TWOW. So...where is he.
 

Iksenpets

Banned
Elio said based on what he knows he doesn't believe there will be much TWOW stuff this season. He'll be able to confirm it within the next few weeks though.

I don't really expect much more than Sansa and Arya spoilers. Anything else will be more in the vein of the White Walker/baby spoiler from last year, where it was more a clarification of things that happened off screen in the books than actual future events.

Like, I think you could see some of the weird Hardhome stuff play out on screen, instead of just hints and rumors, and I think you could maybe see some of Stannis and Mel's interrogation of Mance that might shed light on what he's actually up to, but I don't think the Northern stuff will actually move beyond the books chronologically.

And the King's Landing and Meereen stuff seem pretty much confirmed to stay within the confines of the book, since we know roughly where those are ending, other than potentially
the Dany and Tyrion thing, but i don't think they'll actually interact much before she flies away.

Sounds more like they're simply taking a different path to the same end game. For instance they're doing something completely different with Jaime, and it sounds like Littlefinger's story has changed too.

My only confusion is over Aegon. I don't believe he has been cut, given how important his arc seems to be for the book; I'd bet $50 that he will be king before the end of TWOW. So...where is he.

I'm pretty much 100% sold on the notion than one way or another it's been merged into the Dorne stuff. Assuming Aegon and Dorne quickly form an alliance, it's becomes way too easy to just combine them, especially in light of Arianne being missing, if her main role is to partner with Aegon.
 

Bebpo

Banned
Sounds good and makes sense. Not that they're going to slow down with only a couple seasons left, but that they're diverging so much that by the time they get to TWOW material it'll be a completely different story and have nothing to do with the final two books.

Aka, what happens in 90% of anime series based on comics currently running. I'm fine with that.
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
Sounds more like they're simply taking a different path to the same end game. For instance they're doing something completely different with Jaime, and it sounds like Littlefinger's story has changed too.

My only confusion is over Aegon. I don't believe he has been cut, given how important his arc seems to be for the book; I'd bet $50 that he will be king before the end of TWOW. So...where is he.
I don't see the confusion unless you think he'll be the king at the end of the entire series. Sure he can be king before the end of TWoW but if he's quickly disposed of a bit later (which I believe will happen) then what's the problem with skipping him completely in the show?

Like you said, taking a different path to the same end game.
 
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