Steelyuhas
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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Morrigan Stark
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I still stand with you, Cornballer!
/totallynotsuckingup
/totallynotsuckingup
It's even funnier when you consider your avatar.
PhoenixDark
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He's in that Dany post-ASOS phase now.
RatskyWatsky
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I got your back Cornbro -__-
Steelyuhas
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New teaser site: Three Eyed Raven (you can sign up to "receive visions of the future" through Twitter or SMS)
The Tweet w/ short video
The Tweet w/ short video
Arya warg content in season 5??
This is real, unlike stuff that Cornballer guy posts!
biosnake20
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Lactose_Intolerant
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Small shot of the House of Black and White.
I know! I liked how they sneaked that in. And a emphasis on the Melisandre prophecy from Season 3.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Finally seeing Arya in Braavos makes me all warm and fuzzy inside
Wait, is the battle for Winterfell happening already? I thought episode 9 was going to be all pit based action.
Maybe he's just introduced during Stannis's deathmarch and the story ends about where it does in ADWD. Really hoping it doesn't get too far.
Steelyuhas
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I have a hard time imagining the pits being the entirety of 509.
Willkiller
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Pits have never seemed worthy of a full episode 9 to me anyway.
The bit that we see in the books maybe not, but read Barriston's description of what happens after Dany gets on Drogon. She doesn't just fly off, there's a bit of an altercation between Drogon and everyone else in Meereen, and hundreds of people end up dead, and I think the injured number in the thousands.
Plus
it looks like Dany is meeting Tyrion, which should take up some time.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I wish the pit was episode 7 or 8, just to further highlight that Dany is gone for awhile. If it's episode 9 that means she'll be back for the final 5-8 minutes of the finale a week later, which kind of loses it's impact to me. Last season proved that episode 9 doesn't have to be the big oh shit moment anyway. Having it be Barristan leading the coup+something else would be cool.
More than likely the big battle we'll see won't even be the Winterfell one. I'm more apt to believe it'll be Deepwood Motte or whatever the show replaces that with.
More than likely the big battle we'll see won't even be the Winterfell one. I'm more apt to believe it'll be Deepwood Motte or whatever the show replaces that with.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Episode 9: Cersei's Walk is a good 15 minutes of screen time. The Pit and Danerys stuff is like a good 15 minutes. Jon's stuff if they decide to do that is like 9 minuets. Plus Arya's and whoever else they decide.
Basileus777
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Do we know Cersei's walk is in episode 9?
The more I examine how complex the plotting of ASOIAF is, the more I feel self-conscious about my own inadequacies as a writer.
It's incredibly how much planning GRRM put into the intrigue of his series. The very obvious, yet hidden stuff (like the Southron Ambitions) blows my mind.
It's incredibly how much planning GRRM put into the intrigue of his series. The very obvious, yet hidden stuff (like the Southron Ambitions) blows my mind.
Steelyuhas
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Don't think we have any confirmation that the events at the Pit will be in episode 9.
Probably depends on Dany's arc for season 5 and where they want to end her S5 arc/possibility of Barristan driven scenes after Dany's departure.
Probably depends on Dany's arc for season 5 and where they want to end her S5 arc/possibility of Barristan driven scenes after Dany's departure.
Incandenza
Banned
The meticulous care given to even background stuff like the movements and positioning of armies around the continent makes me surprised that any of these books ever get finished.
Keep in mind, judging by pictures from sets, either Episode 9 or 10 will probably contain (TWOW Spoilers)
On another note, I really hope they give the Northern Arc the time it deserves. The Starks are still pretty much every show watcher's favorite house and they would all love to see vengeance. At the very least, if the Manderlys are cut, hopefully they'll bring back the Greatjon.
Arya killing Meryn Trant instead of Raff the Sweetling
On another note, I really hope they give the Northern Arc the time it deserves. The Starks are still pretty much every show watcher's favorite house and they would all love to see vengeance. At the very least, if the Manderlys are cut, hopefully they'll bring back the Greatjon.
cartoon_soldier
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I don't get why people think Sansa is an attractive bride to anybody.
She's already married. But even if we overlook that little nugget.
Arianne can bring Dorne.
Margaery would bring the Reach.
Dany would bring her army.
Sansa could potentially bring...? North is in shambles and the Tully's are essentially done.
I also can't fathom the show not having Aegon as his own character. Still under belief that they're keeping it under wraps to not spoil anything. He's conquered Storm's End, at this point he's not a throw away character.
Well the North is still the largest territory by far. Maybe land?
Margaery is already the queen. Dany is too far away for anyone but crazy ironborns to consider seriously with the political climate in Westeros and she has a ton of baggage.
You could say Arianne is better but the thing is in the form of her family Arianne actually has power, Sansa represents power but as an orphan has none of her own. In a number of years whoever marries her gets Winterfell and potentially the North, and it would require much less effort than marrying Arianne whom is also the future ruler of Dorne.
Did Bran and Rickon suddenly die?
Intheflorsh
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To the rest of the world, yeah.
TheNamesPlissken
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Aegon is cuttable because he is a fake/potential Blackfyre from the female line... And the show had to make the decision to cut out the significant Blackfyre rebellions backstory, so it would seem even lamer than it does in the books (don't get me wrong, I love all the books, but it's still a WTF why is this coming up five books in kinda of deal). I wouldn't be surprised if they just substitute the new Dorne arc with where the whole Aegon thing is going. Could be something significant like "Trystan is actually Aegon" or could be "Dorne declares war on their own"... Not really sure. But I get why Aegon was cut once I let the news settle.
RukusProvider
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Ok so I've been doing the Audio books.
Question to those who also did the audio books, why did the narrator decide to change up the voices for the AFOC vs the first 3 books?
Makes no sense to me and is pissing me off.
Question to those who also did the audio books, why did the narrator decide to change up the voices for the AFOC vs the first 3 books?
Makes no sense to me and is pissing me off.
Roy Dotrice is 91 years old, I think he just forgot.
negreenfield
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If I'm not mistaken he did AFFC after ADWD or did it after another person had done it. I think there was too much time and he's old so there's that too. I got over the voice changes but they were a bit jarring at first.
If Aegon is to be king of Westeros, he wouldn't reside in Winterfell/the North.
I don't know how that would work. Wouldn't they need Tyrion's consent at least to annul the marriage? Or at the very least to confirm that it was not consummated?
Assuming the Bolton's lose/die, ok, but I still don't see the North being useful in a conquest of Westeros.
She's been the Queen three times already, her family seems intent on marrying her off to the best option at any given moment.
Jon was named heir to Winterfell though. Then I'd assume Rickon/Bran.
If Aegon is indeed a fake, I can't decide who I'd be more furious with. GRRM for wasting our time in the books with that arc, or the show for spoiling the fact that he is indeed fake before we see it in the book.
I've read all the theories about why he must be fake, but I still feel there's a chance he actually could be the real deal.
Oh well.
It only bothered me a little on some of the main/secondary characters (like Arya)... but not that much. There's any number of reasons why this happened and you probably shouldn't get so easily ticked-off about it. Here's a few:
1) The dude does literally hundreds of voices. He even holds the Guinness World Record for voices in an audiobook for this very series (224). He's bound to lose track. Anyone would.
2) Could be different directors/sound teams directing him in the recording booth.
3) He got sick between ASOS-AFFC-ADWD (if I recall correctly).
4) And let's not forget that MANY years passed between the recording of these last three books.
Cut the guy some slack.
Angry Fork
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I don't want anything spoiled but I figure this is the best to ask, I'm just making sure not to read other posts. I want to know if anyone can bring me up to speed on the red witch lady and Stannis? where their story is up to on the show. Like I don't know at all what their story is about or what's going on but it feels like their story is important and I should know about it.
I don't remember where/when the red lady comes from/shows up, but I remember this: she says she represents a God, convinces Stannis of this and that if he follows her word he'll win his battles and so on. Then she gives birth to smoke in a cave, Davos thinks she's crazy, tries to warn Stannis but Stannis isn't hearing it. But then Stannis loses the battle with Tywin/Tyrion and I don't remember where he goes or his reaction and whether or not his belief in the red lady is shaken after this (is she still with him? I can't recall). Also that welder kid got leeches put on him in a bed but I can't remember what happened to him after that or what the purpose of that was.
Is that all that has happened so far? Any explanations that don't spoil future stuff or should I just wait and see? Thanks.
I don't remember where/when the red lady comes from/shows up, but I remember this: she says she represents a God, convinces Stannis of this and that if he follows her word he'll win his battles and so on. Then she gives birth to smoke in a cave, Davos thinks she's crazy, tries to warn Stannis but Stannis isn't hearing it. But then Stannis loses the battle with Tywin/Tyrion and I don't remember where he goes or his reaction and whether or not his belief in the red lady is shaken after this (is she still with him? I can't recall). Also that welder kid got leeches put on him in a bed but I can't remember what happened to him after that or what the purpose of that was.
Is that all that has happened so far? Any explanations that don't spoil future stuff or should I just wait and see? Thanks.
Incandenza
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That's pretty much the long and short of it. Melisandre's from Asshai way off in the east, and she brought her god (R'hllor) with her. She converted Stannis's wife Selyse who in turn cultivated a small following of worshippers on Dragonstone. Stannis thinks it's kinda bullshit at first but he figures the Seven haven't done anything for him so he'll give her a shot, and once she kills Renly for him he's convinced, even though the King's Landing attack fails. Mel thinks Stannis is the reincarnation of the ancient hero Azor Ahai (who wielded the original Lightbringer) and she also believes that by using leeches full of king's blood (or king's bastard blood, in the case of Gendry) she can see the future and help Stannis win the war.
I suggest you go back and watch seasons 2-4 to refresh your memory of Melisandre and Stannis. As for their storyline the show is almost caught up with where they are at in the books. Melisandre comes from ESSos which is the continent where Dany is currently located.
Angry Fork
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Ok cool, thanks a lot. So do the books explain yet whether or not her killing of Renly was legit or just coincidence? And why Stannis didn't win the kings landing battle like he was supposed to? (Maybe this was explained already and I just missed it.) Can Melisandre actually create new predetermined paths for people (through some kind of magic like Jaquen Hagar) or does she just claim to see the future?
At this point in the show I'm not convinced her god is real, only that she can do some kind of magic and hypnosis. But there are other people who can do similar stuff and it seems like Stannis is just being taken along for a ride by her for whatever she wants.
At this point in the show I'm not convinced her god is real, only that she can do some kind of magic and hypnosis. But there are other people who can do similar stuff and it seems like Stannis is just being taken along for a ride by her for whatever she wants.
Melisandre is definitely her doing you even see her birthing the shadow baby if you mean Joffery then yeah it was definitely coincidence he would have died even without he leeches it's probable that she saw the deaths of Robb and Joffery in the flames and based it on that.
Melisandre claims that if Stannis had brought her with him to KL he would have won, she may have been able to do something about the wildfire and as such take KL before Tywin's forces arrived. Mel pretends to know more than she does when in actuality she knows very little she sees visions in the flames but doesn't always know what they mean and sometimes she even misinterprets them but she does genuinely believe that Stannis is the champion of the Lord of Light although their are implications that it might be another character.
To the bolded that a good way of looking at it at this time there is no concrete evidence that any of the gods are real sure magic exist but that doesn't necessarily equate to a Divine Power.
Mel is a con artist, she sees the future in the flame and can make the shadow babies but that's about it. There was nothing she could have done about the wildfire if she hadn't seen it earlier, which I don't think she did. The whole leeches thing was plain bullshit.
How is she a con artist? What's her point to be fooling anyone? I think she genuinely has visions and believes in Stannis's purpose.
She has visions and believes in Stannis, but I think she likes to stretch the truth about her "abilities".
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