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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread

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Forkball

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Is there any reason at all to think Cleganebowl would happen? Why the heck would The Hound end up in a room with The Mountain?

Well Gregor is obviously Robert Strong, and the gravedigger is most likely the Hound. The idea is that Cersei will demand trial by combat with Zombie Mountain as her champion, and the Faith of the Seven will pick the Hound as their champion. How the Hound goes from gravedigging to the champion, no one knows, but it's not entirely unlikely. The guy who says "The Hound is dead. Sandor Clegane is at peace." is a religious man, and the Quiet Isle (where Brienne sees the gravedigger) is a refuge for those who follow the Faith of the Seven. I can't believe that Sandor has some deep religious awakening, but I can see him faking it to have a place to stay and possible revenge against his brother and Cersei. The main issue with this is that I believe Brienne notes that the gravedigger is injured or walks with a limp. Time to bust out those faith miracles.

Further evidence for Cleganebowl comes from the show. Like the book, Sandor has an ambiguous death. However, the key point is the family that Hound and Arya run across. The bald man with the little creepy quiet girl that serves them rabbit stew. The man is deeply religious, as we see a lot of iconography of the seven gods in his home and he also recounts a prayer. The Hound scoffs at his faith, which I believe is going to be serve as dramatic irony. The Hound is beat to shit in the show, how is he going to survive? I highly suspect he crawls back to that family as they are in the general vicinity, or perhaps members of the faith come across him on their way to King's Landing with the High Sparrow.

Cersei demanding a trial by combat is pretty much going to happen, so realistically, who are the Faith going to pick? If they pick some noname, it's not so exciting. The only twist I can think of is if the Faith pulls out the "Trial by Seven" from the Dunk and Egg stories where each side has seven combatants each.
 

Snuggles

erotic butter maelstrom
Sandor slaying Gregor would be great if Greg wasn't some headless abomination I dunno it's too weird at this point. Maybe my boy Lancel will defeat the zombie or knock his empty helmet off or some shit.
 

Brakke

Banned
The heck does the Faith need with a champion they already got Howland Frogspearin' Motherfuckin' Reed in Kingslanding tho.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Is there any reason at all to think Cleganebowl would happen? Why the heck would The Hound end up in a room with The Mountain?

If Brienne and The Hound can have a fan service Totally Kewl Twitter OMG Fight Scene, then why not Gregor Vs. Sandor? Tyrion Vs. Cersei? Sansa Vs. Joffrey's reanimated corpse?
 

Snuggles

erotic butter maelstrom
Wtf? Lmao does the show even make a big deal about him.

I don't think Howland is ever mentioned in the show..but we know his creepy kids. That's a good start. Both were nicely cast, especially our boy Jojen aka skeleton monster fireball explosion boy. Meera is my girl tho. Hope she hangs around.
 

Brakke

Banned
If Brienne and The Hound can have a fan service Totally Kewl Twitter OMG Fight Scene, then why not Gregor Vs. Sandor? Tyrion Vs. Cersei? Sansa Vs. Joffrey's reanimated corpse?

Yeah I guess Cleganebowl makes more sense on the show than the book. Will be really disappointed if Sandor ever shows up in the book again. Gravediggin' was such a lovely place to leave him.

Wtf? Lmao does the show even make a big deal about him.

Makes sense for the show to talk up Howland at the same time it brings in the High Sparrow. Get people suspicious.

Mostly I'm just jazzed 'cuz that post got me thinking Howland is High Sparrow again which is my favorite conspiracy.
 
Yeah I guess Cleganebowl makes more sense on the show than the book. Will be really disappointed if Sandor ever shows up in the book again. Gravediggin' was such a lovely place to leave him.

That's how I feel. Much of Brienne's chapters with the Elder Brother on the Quite Isle was about broken men and redemption through the faith. The Hound was a representation of Sandor's thirst for the blood of his brother. The Hound is dead and all that's left is Sandor. How is he going to realistically go from the Quiet Isles to being the Faith's choice in Kings Landing?

It's more likely that Lancel or Theodan will be the Faith's pick to fight Robert Strong. Whomever it is, he will most likely lose. It's hard to see Cersei's story ending like a repeat of Tyrions. Why jump through hoops to have Sandor as the choice of the Faith, only to lose.
 

Ikael

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That's how I feel. Much of Brienne's chapters with the Elder Brother on the Quite Isle was about broken men and redemption through the faith. The Hound was a representation of Sandor's thirst for the blood of his brother. The Hound is dead and all that's left is Sandor. How is he going to realistically go from the Quiet Isles to being the Faith's choice in Kings Landing?

It's more likely that Lancel or Theodan will be the Faith's pick to fight Robert Strong. Whomever it is, he will most likely lose. It's hard to see Cersei's story ending like a repeat of Tyrions. Why jump through hoops to have Sandor as the choice of the Faith, only to lose.

I don't think that you need to jump too much hoops here. The Faith needs an expert, cappable warrior which is also devouted, and the Hound fills every single requirement, plus it would also tie in nicely with Maggie's prophecy ("killed by the younger bother"). The fact that we'd get to see the two brothers face to face would give said fight an added dramatic gravitas, and the fact that Cersei will suffer the same Tyrion's fate but without anyone who would give a damn in order to save in the aftermath her will make for some powerful moment, too.

As for how the combat will develope, I am betting in seeing the Seven interceeding with a miracle during Cersei's combat in favour of the faith. Martin already said that they are going to intervene like any other deity in the fate of Westeros in the next book. Exciting stuff! :D
 
Cersei demanding a trial by combat is pretty much going to happen, so realistically, who are the Faith going to pick? If they pick some noname, it's not so exciting. The only twist I can think of is if the Faith pulls out the "Trial by Seven" from the Dunk and Egg stories where each side has seven combatants each.

The Dunk and Egg Trial by Seven also had brothers on opposing sides.
 

DKehoe

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Cersei demanding a trial by combat is pretty much going to happen, so realistically, who are the Faith going to pick? If they pick some noname, it's not so exciting. The only twist I can think of is if the Faith pulls out the "Trial by Seven" from the Dunk and Egg stories where each side has seven combatants each.

Yeh, I've thought for a while that it will turn into a trial by seven. Obviously The High Sparrow is deeply religious but it also works well against Cersei. In a one on one fight it's hard to imagine many people doing well against Robert Strong. But Cersei has become more isolated politically so might have trouble finding 6 other decent fighters for her side
 
Cleganebowl is completely pointless, Gregor is dead. Just because his body has been reanimated doesn't make it any kind of revenge or justice or satisfaction for the Hound to kill him at this point.
 
Cleganebowl is completely pointless, Gregor is dead. Just because his body has been reanimated doesn't make it any kind of revenge or justice or satisfaction for the Hound to kill him at this point.
I disagree. If we can't have a great revenge because Gregor is a zombie then maybe Sandor cares enough about his brother to end his pitiful state.
 

Iksenpets

Banned
That's sort of what I'm thinking too. The show often merges roles when they don't want to overcomplicate the cast, so it would make sense.

Yeah, I don't think they'd be introducing Hotah if they weren't going to have the visual of him lopping off someone's head at some point. He's pretty much the exact type of character they kill off. Supporting characters who have outlived their importance to the plot. And he has the advantage of being really popular, so his death can be actually shocking instead of just the usual death of the episode.
And we know from the casting scripts that there's a Tyene-seducing-Bronn scene, which would further line up with him being Oakheart.
 
I doubt Jaime will die. Seems like there would be little thematic satisfaction in killing him in Dorne versus him dying with Cersei in some fashion (being the valonquir). We know Maggy The Frog will be in this season.

My bets:
-Brienne (her entire AFFC/ADWD/presumed TWOW arc has been cut so...)
-Davos (could add drama to Stannis' story)
-Bronn (dies saving Jaime or Myrcella)
-Ramsay Snow (killed by Sansa)
-Grey Worm (Harpy attack)
-Jorah Mormont (returns/reveals self, saves Dany from Harpys or gets burned by Drogon)

not saying I think these are good or bad ideas
 
Damn I really want that Martell season 4 box from Bestbuy but you can't actually preorder it, only the Tyrell and Lannister boxes. Hopefully they'll have them in-store tomorrow, but if not the Tyrell box isn't bad.
 

Moff

Member
the dying character who doesnt die will either be bronn or someone minor, similar to the dothraki in season 1. I just hope it isnt bronn because jerome flynn is awesome and he really made that character so much better than he already was in the books.
 

Iksenpets

Banned
Damn I really want that Martell season 4 box from Bestbuy but you can't actually preorder it, only the Tyrell and Lannister boxes. Hopefully they'll have them in-store tomorrow, but if not the Tyrell box isn't bad.

I got the Lannister box for season 4, since I hadn't gotten it yet, and season 5 will work just as well for a Martell box. I just hope seasons 6 and 7 have Tyrell and Baratheon options so I can complete the set.

Also, I forgot
Meryn Trant
as a pretty obvious candidate for the premature death. He/she is a pretty obvious one.
 

KevinG

Member
Dodging spoilers in a spoiler thread (even though I think I've been spoiled on all major season 4 plot points). Finally going to have a chance to catch up with the S4 bluray set coming tomorrow, and hopefully the standalone HBO app will be ready for S5.
 
I don't think Howland is ever mentioned in the show..but we know his creepy kids. That's a good start. Both were nicely cast, especially our boy Jojen aka skeleton monster fireball explosion boy. Meera is my girl tho. Hope she hangs around.
Jojen and Bran talk about him in season 3 I believe.

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Put me in the camp that isn't a fan of Cleganebowl. Sandor had a fitting end (both in book and show), not really interested in seeing him again just so he can fight undead Gregor (not too mention that plot that has to be created to get Sandor in the position for that fight).
 

Dysun

Member
Grey Worm is probably a lock for dying early. The other ones are a little more up in the air, maybe Bronn if they don't know where else to go with him. I doubt its anyone of significance (Jaime/Brienne)
 

duckroll

Member
If they're looking to accelerate certain plotlines, maybe Arya will assassinate a named character in the season too, towards the end.
 

WaffleTaco

Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Bronn
Grey Worm
Pod
Kevan Lannister
Jon Snow

Are the major deaths this season I believe. I also am a fan of the idea of cleganebowl, but don't see it ever happening. Cersei is going to win her trial by combat, because it would be incredibly ironic that she wins even though she is guilty, where Tyrion lost even though he was innocent. Also the same reason Margarey will probably lose as well.
 
Bronn
Grey Worm
Pod
Kevan Lannister
Jon Snow

Are the major deaths this season I believe. I also am a fan of the idea of cleganebowl, but don't see it ever happening. Cersei is going to win her trial by combat, because it would be incredibly ironic that she wins even though she is guilty, where Tyrion lost even though he was innocent. Also the same reason Margarey will probably lose as well.
Grey Worm counts as a major death? Hopefully they don't waste too much screen time killing him.
 

Awesome, love the narration

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Faddy

Banned
As fun as #Cleganebowl is I would rather Sandor was left with a peaceful ending.

That isn't going to happen on the show. He will be back and his role will be bigger than a random gravedigger because D&D would have cut that and just killed him. If he was really dead Rory McCann would have been on the special with all the other dead characters.
 

DKehoe

Member
That isn't going to happen on the show. He will be back and his role will be bigger than a random gravedigger because D&D would have cut that and just killed him. If he was really dead Rory McCann would have been on the special with all the other dead characters.

It didn't occur to me about him not being on that roundtable discussion. They should have faked people out and just had him on anyway.
 
That isn't going to happen on the show. He will be back and his role will be bigger than a random gravedigger because D&D would have cut that and just killed him. If he was really dead Rory McCann would have been on the special with all the other dead characters.
As pointed out, Lysa would have been on the panel is it were iron clad.
I'm expecting him back either way.
 

belushy

Banned
I doubt Jaime will die. Seems like there would be little thematic satisfaction in killing him in Dorne versus him dying with Cersei in some fashion (being the valonquir). We know Maggy The Frog will be in this season.

My bets:
-Brienne (her entire AFFC/ADWD/presumed TWOW arc has been cut so...)
-Davos (could add drama to Stannis' story)
-Bronn (dies saving Jaime or Myrcella)
-Ramsay Snow (killed by Sansa)
-Grey Worm (Harpy attack)
-Jorah Mormont (returns/reveals self, saves Dany from Harpys or gets burned by Drogon)

not saying I think these are good or bad ideas

Nooo not Davos :(
 
I still think it makes a ton of sense to take the Wyman Manderley material from ADWD and give it to Littlefinger in S5.

Baelish's post-Vale plans are really clearly about wrapping up the North, so that'd be a good shortcut to take.
 

Iksenpets

Banned
I still think it makes a ton of sense to take the Wyman Manderley material from ADWD and give it to Littlefinger in S5.

Baelish's post-Vale plans are really clearly about wrapping up the North, so that'd be a good shortcut to take.

Filming leak:
We know that LF filmed scenes in King's Landing for the middle of next season, though. For this to work, he'd have to start in the Vale, interact with Brienne, book it up North, then drop Sansa off and run back down to King's Landing, all in the course of like four or five episodes.
 

greatgeek

Banned
Filming leak:
We know that LF filmed scenes in King's Landing for the middle of next season, though. For this to work, he'd have to start in the Vale, interact with Brienne, book it up North, then drop Sansa off and run back down to King's Landing, all in the course of like four or five episodes.
So he kept his
teleporter
from season 2?
 

NeoGiff

Member
Filming leak:
We know that LF filmed scenes in King's Landing for the middle of next season, though. For this to work, he'd have to start in the Vale, interact with Brienne, book it up North, then drop Sansa off and run back down to King's Landing, all in the course of like four or five episodes.

This is totally plausible given his past teleportation.
 
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