Isn't his girlfriend that blonde from American Horror Story?
They're in a shitton of pictures as well...
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Isn't his girlfriend that blonde from American Horror Story?
They're in a shitton of pictures as well...
LegendofJoe
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I read the other day that GRRM was forced to finish Dance in the publisher's office after missing the last deadline extension they gave him. Supposedly, it's also why the editing was so poorly done.
PhoenixDark
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He doesn't have traditional deadlines; Martin misses all of them without consequence, there are no "extensions" nor is he forced to do much of anything. ADWD was poorly edited for the same reason Steven King is poorly edited: he doesn't give a shit what his editor says. The ADWD manuscript is at Texas A&M, here's a fan's account of reading it:
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2rtcaa/i_went_to_the_cushing_library_and_went_through/
In short, the manuscript is full of his editor asking him to remove multiple repetitive phrases in the book, and even passive aggressively counting each one...but ultimately Martin kept them all.
People claim the book was rushed to print but in reality Martin calls the shots with respect to editing. His editor has said the biggest thing she got him to do was remove one battle from ADWD due to length; they both agreed to remove another. I'm guessing the battle that he initially wanted to keep was the "battle of ice." The Meereen battle features too many chapters to possibly fit in ADWD (without other stuff being cut), whereas it would have been easier to tack ice battle in IMO. We know a Bran chapter was cut for instance, and there's speculation the battle would be seen through that POV (via raven); if you've read Theon's first TWOW chapter you know what I mean.
Morrigan Stark
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Hahahahaha
biosnake20
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Game of Thrones Season 4 Lore - Bastards & Blackfyres (Ellaria Sand)
That's 3 Blackfyre mentions so far in the histories and lore for S4 right?
fAegon Confirmed
That's 3 Blackfyre mentions so far in the histories and lore for S4 right?
Lactose_Intolerant
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NuffDREW4two
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As much as I hate to say it, but I think with Lena Heady having a baby, it'll be Cersei that dies. Even though her first child was ~1 when season one had its premiere, having a second child may cause her to take some time off from acting. I hope it's not the case, but I'd completely understand.
Person of Interest had a similar situation where an actress was having twins and the show had a story line that could remove her from the show, but with the potential of coming back in the future.
Person of Interest had a similar situation where an actress was having twins and the show had a story line that could remove her from the show, but with the potential of coming back in the future.
It really means nothing imo. She was pregnant for most of Season 1 filming.
Yea, this seems to highly suggest fAegon will appear and even more so seems to confirm he really is fake. Afterall, why mention the Blackfyre rebellions at all if it is of no importance to the show's story?
My money is on Trystane don't ask me why I just like the thought of Doran raising a Targ bastard under his roof as a sort of a long-term revenge plan against the Lannisters.
That seems the most likely route.
Definitely makes the most sense given the other changes.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Cersei becomes Stoneheart in S6!
After re-watching the season 4 finale and seeing that meh cgi boat sail into the distance, I reckon Vic's arc is probably un-filmable on the shows budget even if they were inclined to do it.
Eh it's still miles ahead of what most shows are pumping out.
I think there's still room for Euron, he just doesn't send his brother (or niece) on a quest to get Dany. They modify his plans one way or another to involve less intercontinental travel.
Haha, Oh god.
hahaha
That is not the response of a man who is secretly supporting Trystan/Aegon in Dorne. I mean, Conleth's a good actor, so maybe he was prepared and is playing us, but that really sounds like he's 100% Team Dany for the show.
Yeah, it sounds like D&D were following the books (Varys' motivation) until they decided to do major cuts and then just had Varys change his mind on who he should support.
I actually wouldn't mind if it ended up as 3 factions. Varys supporting Dany, Doran supporting fAgeon and Littlefinger supporting himself.
badcrumble
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Pretty sure that in the books the way all that goes is that Varys warns Jorah Mormont about the assassination attempt so he can (a) thwart it and (b) gain more of Daenarys's trust, and Mormont admits as much to Dany. Varys, in the books, isn't inherently anti-Daenarys (and, if anything, Aegon is being guided to want to impress Daenarys by conquering Westeros for her - he thinks he's going to marry her).
Varys is definitely running a plan A/B/C here.
Isn't she also broke? An acting break might not be a good idea then.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
She's bi.
"Varys changed his mind" is the worst plot thread I can imagine, even moreso than him being a merman.
Even though Aegon being a secret Blackfyre came out of nowhere in the book, Varys supporting him still makes far more sense than him supporting Dany. First of all, what's the deal with that scene with Varys and Illyrio in the show? What exactly were they plotting? Without Aegon, who did they want to put on the throne? Dany was a meek girl with no power at that time. She was basically used as a bargaining chip. I can't imagine they would want Viserys on the throne, nor can I believe they had the foresight to see him getting killed off and Dany rising to power. And if Varys wants Dany, why did he purposefully sabotage her by spilling the beans on Jorah? You could say he had to keep up appearances for Tywin, but it didn't help Dany at all.
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Even though Aegon being a secret Blackfyre came out of nowhere in the book, Varys supporting him still makes far more sense than him supporting Dany. First of all, what's the deal with that scene with Varys and Illyrio in the show? What exactly were they plotting? Without Aegon, who did they want to put on the throne? Dany was a meek girl with no power at that time. She was basically used as a bargaining chip. I can't imagine they would want Viserys on the throne, nor can I believe they had the foresight to see him getting killed off and Dany rising to power. And if Varys wants Dany, why did he purposefully sabotage her by spilling the beans on Jorah? You could say he had to keep up appearances for Tywin, but it didn't help Dany at all.
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pieatorium
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wou]ld need a rewatch but always thought that was more them not wanting Robert and especially not wanting Joffey on the thone than actually wanting Viserys or anyone else there. .
Moff
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why did he even want to kill her in season 1 when he smuggled her and her brother to the dothraki? was that according to plan or did he change his mind back then, too?
RatskyWatsky
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Varys = Euron
By the Law of Conservation Of Conspiracies; if Daario doesn't equal Euron, someone else must.
cartoon_soldier
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Circumstances have changed, he can decide to support someone else now you know.
Robert died, Stannis was defeated, Jeoffrey is dead, without Faegon on the show who else would Varys support?
Robert died, Stannis was defeated, Jeoffrey is dead, without Faegon on the show who else would Varys support?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Well SOMEONE'S gotta be on the throne. You'd think he'd have a person in mind.
The main theory is that if Viserys invades Westeros with the dothraki army, they will cause so much havoc and despair that it would allow Aegon to sweep in and be seen as a savior. Though both Targ children dying also doesn't really hurt the goal of putting Aegon on the throne.
I'd believe it.
That's the problem. Without Faegon, his plans in the show don't make sense. Varys' plan was not to just take Robert off the throne. It was to put someone specific on it.
Except his goal in the books is clearly to help put Aegon on the throne. In the show currently it's more ambiguous. He says "FOR THE GOOD OF THE REALM" but we'll see. We don't really learn more about Varys' intentions until ADWD anyways. Still, the idea that he just wants a good king, but doesn't have anyone in mind until Dany comes along, is somewhat baffling.
I bet this season ends with Daenerys. Seasons 1 and 3 did, so 5 will be Dany.
The more she drank, the more she shat.
Moff
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why kill dany then? to enrage the dothraki? would it not be more likely they invade westeros with her alive?
why woull they even smuggle them away then?
I really don't see why he would have planned to kill dany from the beginning.
Maybe Dany getting the Dorthraki armies or whatever
Don't see walk of shame being that late,
I wonder if Arya goes blind this season, I would like it if they kept that to show crazy the Faceless man training is. I think I remember parts about physical trainings where she would get hit and had bruises all over? And she learned all about poisons and multiple languages. So much potential for exposition
season 5 possible spoiler?
We saw Meryn trant walking with Cersei in the making of video, but we also see him in Braavos. So my guess is that he ends up in Braavos later on in the season and either they make Arya blind after she kills him like Daeron of she is past it or its not being included.
Right, it would have to be several episodes before Kevan.
cartoon_soldier
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Ep 10 will have:
Varys back in KL for Kevan
Jon Stabbed
Dany flying off on Dragon
Arya making her kill as faceless woman
Sansa - something no idea
Varys back in KL for Kevan
Jon Stabbed
Dany flying off on Dragon
Arya making her kill as faceless woman
Sansa - something no idea
LSH 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhGqWcJGY
In show context, it doesn't really make any sense. Varys basically says they have to kill Dany for the good of the realm in the show. He did tell Jorah though, but could he have known that Jorah would have prevented it? At this point, Dany is really nothing, just a tool to get Viserys a dothraki army. I can't imagine Varys wanting Viserys on the throne, or predicting what Dany would become.
Honeslty though, in the book it's a bit ambiguous about what he wants for Dany. Does he want to team up Aegon and Dany? Hoping she invades Westeros and sucks at ruling ala their Viserys plan 2.0? FIND OUT IN THE WINDS OF WINTER COMING 2020
Moff
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why would he not want viserys on the throne? what do we know about varys?
I for one, believe him. I think he is one of the few truly good men in westeros.
he wants stability for the realm. he does not care if a targaryen or fake targaryen sits on the throne as long as they can hold together the realm peacefully. and since this game is very unpredictable, he had 2 aces up his sleeve in the books. but only 1 in the show. I don't see the problem. quite the contrary actually since the faegon plot turned out to be bad in the books.
I admit that varys advising robert to kill dany does not make sense, but it doesnt make sense in both the book and the show. so he was either lying to the council or changed his mind after viserys died.
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