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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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BobTheFork
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Yeah, it really seems like they need her in Westeros next season for finish this in 7 (if that is the plan). Can you imagine the final scene of this season being the 3 dragons flying over Dany's fleet with Dany and Daario on one dragon, Tyrion on another, and Lady Stoneheart on the third. Jorah will be tied behind a ship swimming along with them.
Grey Worm and Mesandre and Missandei will be at the front of the boat doing the Titanic spot. Dany will be wearing Victarion's charred arm around her neck but they won't mention where it came from.
Grey Worm and Mesandre and Missandei will be at the front of the boat doing the Titanic spot. Dany will be wearing Victarion's charred arm around her neck but they won't mention where it came from.
RatskyWatsky
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I will be severely disappointed if this doesn't happen.
You don't have to click on the tags...
Reading all your posts in Varys' voice.
Lord Couture
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So an actor who plays a still-alive character in the books and dies in season 5, not only reacted badly to his death when reading the script, but also wrote a letter to D&D about it.
I wonder if it's the same actor who is familiar with the books and who expected a bigger role this season. I thought for sure it was Ian McElhinney (Barristan), but I don't see him begging D&D to stay on the show. My guess now is that the actor is Finn Jones (Loras). From I saw, he's very excited about the show and seems crazy enough to write a letter to the writers. Maybe he thought with Tyrion, Tywin and Joffrey out of the KL picture and the big focus being Lannister vs Tyrell, he'd have an increased role from his whopping two scenes in S4.
I'm okay with Loras dying. I think their utilization of Loras in the show is quite offensive. If killing Loras puts an end to the easy unfunny gay jokes, then I don't have a problem with it.
I'm okay with Loras dying. I think their utilization of Loras in the show is quite offensive. If killing Loras puts an end to the easy unfunny gay jokes, then I don't have a problem with it.
Basileus777
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It's just speculation, nothing to fret over not seeing.
Yeah, I hope it's Loras. In the show he's just a walking stereotype.
Basileus777
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Book Loras is used as a gay joke in a large percentage of his scenes too. Even in the books he's basically a character defined by his sexuality.
And none of this should be spoiler tagged.
And none of this should be spoiler tagged.
Like this post, where the most spoiler worthy thing is actually outside of tags.
Book Loras is totally fine. He's absolutely not defined by his sexuality in the books. He was defined by his love of Renly, that's different.
Basileus777
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Half of his interactions with people consist of them making fun of him for being gay.
Who? Besides Jaime(they were throwing barbs at each other).
That's not true and plenty of people read the books without even realizing he was gay. Either way I don't like the character or the actor in the show and hope they kill him off. Focus on the tyrells people care about.
Basileus777
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Jaime, Littlefinger, Cersei. IIRC even Stannis makes some jabs. Post book 1, much of the time Loras is mentioned there's some dialogue or internal thought joking about his gayness.
I know that. Was wondering about times it was addressed to his face. Besides Jaime, I'm pretty sure it's all rumor behind his back. I guess people are miffed that they made his sexuality overt(shaving, whoring)in a stereotypical way and downplaying his skill as a knight, popularity etc.
Lord Couture
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Characters mocking Loras' homosexuality =/= Loras being used strictly as a gay joke. In the show, his whole persona seems to revolve around being Renly's gay lover (I can't think of a single scene featuring him where there is no mention of him being gay), where in the book he was a highly skilled fighter and wildly popular knight who just happened to be gay. He's ambitious and skillful. Even the arrogant Jaime Lannister has great respect for him. He halso has a fiery temperament. None of that is true in the show.
The showrunners are incapable of writing a homosexual man who isn't some kind of cliche. Let's not forget this is the show that turned Renly into a wimp who's scared of blood. The only cliche thing about them in the books that I can think of is Renly's guard being named the Rainbow Guard. It was pretty stupid but there was at least an "in-universe reason" for that name (that has zero link with homosexuality).
The showrunners are incapable of writing a homosexual man who isn't some kind of cliche. Let's not forget this is the show that turned Renly into a wimp who's scared of blood. The only cliche thing about them in the books that I can think of is Renly's guard being named the Rainbow Guard. It was pretty stupid but there was at least an "in-universe reason" for that name (that has zero link with homosexuality).
Lord Couture
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I think all of our discussions featuring EW articles have been spoiler tagged so far. We need to come up with some consensus about what should be spoiler tagged and what shouldn't
Basileus777
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There's no point in openly talking about what the article says and then spoiler tagging only the speculation based off of that.
Lord Couture
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Which I didn't do ?
Basileus777
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That's exactly what you did!
Lord Couture
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I openly talked about stuff coming from a legit youtube video featuring D&D (discussions emerging from GOT Youtube videos haven't been spoiler tagged as far as I know) and then spoiler tagged my speculation since it was mostly based on the EW articles (and discussions emerging from them have been spoiler tagged so far).
Dénouement
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tbh I had no idea Renly/Loras were gay/lovers until I saw the show. I forget if I'm just dumb, or just didn't pay enough attention to scenes mentioning them.
And yeah, I definitely don't really like how they've portrayed Loras in the show. His defining characteristic is that he's gay. In the books, the main thing I knew about him was that he was a really good knight/fighter.
And yeah, I definitely don't really like how they've portrayed Loras in the show. His defining characteristic is that he's gay. In the books, the main thing I knew about him was that he was a really good knight/fighter.
Oh, I haven't. But, it seems ya'll are starting to talk exclusively in major show spoilers.
joliefaire
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Possible Ep. 5, 6 and 7 titles making the rounds, not yet confirmed by HBO:
505 - "Kill the Boy"
506 - "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken"
507 - "The Gift"
506 - "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken"
507 - "The Gift"
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Dénouement;156844462 said:
It's pretty easy to miss in the books, especially your first time through where there's so much information coming at you that some things just slip by. Once you know about it though it becomes a "how the hell did I miss that" thing.
Since I watched the show first I knew when I started reading that he was gay but was surprised at how subtle it was. I don't even think many people in Westeros know it, unlike the show where it seems everyone knows. However, I had no idea John the Fiddler was gay in "The Mystery Knight." Upon re-reading it for like the third time I was like "how the fuck did I miss this?" Dude straight up hits on Dunk 24/7.
Yep, I was the exact same. Especially since the guy's name is "The Fiddler". I facepalmed over my own stupidity.
PhoenixDark
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More wood for the fire. From his blog:
Sounds like he has a specific goal in mind.
http://grrm.livejournal.com/412882.html?page=4#comments
Sounds like he has a specific goal in mind.
cartoon_soldier
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how much time does he spend on his blog?
I had a dream last night that TWOW was out. Silly me.
Things that should be tagged: exactly nothing.
Talk about the show or don't. Don't make other people tiptoe around you.
506 right there though. Ironborn dream still alive.
What makes you think that?
goddamit I thought you had some complex reasoning behind saying that. I wanted to believe
Not sure if I buy these, but if they're true: They wouldn't name an episode "Kill the Boy" without some dark alternate meaning about actually killing a boy, lol. RIP Olly and/or Tommen.
Don't know enough about how they're pacing the Dorne plot to know why the Martell words would be for episode 6. Intro to Dorne is in ep 2, and I think Jaime gets there in like episode 4. Maybe this is where Jaime and Bronn get captured? Or maybe they're going really quickly and the Queenmaker stuff happens here?
And I didn't expect they would ever even mention the Gift on the show. And I don't know what role it would have in episode 7. Seems a bit too late for Stannis to be negotiating to hand it over to Wildlings, and Jon should be en route to Hardhome for episode 8 at that point. This is the one that really strikes me as odd.
Don't know enough about how they're pacing the Dorne plot to know why the Martell words would be for episode 6. Intro to Dorne is in ep 2, and I think Jaime gets there in like episode 4. Maybe this is where Jaime and Bronn get captured? Or maybe they're going really quickly and the Queenmaker stuff happens here?
And I didn't expect they would ever even mention the Gift on the show. And I don't know what role it would have in episode 7. Seems a bit too late for Stannis to be negotiating to hand it over to Wildlings, and Jon should be en route to Hardhome for episode 8 at that point. This is the one that really strikes me as odd.
ToyMachine228
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Kill the boy is the quote from Jon's storyline. He frequently repeats it in his mind before he be heads Janos Slynt.
joliefaire
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Actually, to me anyway, The Gift seems the title to make the most sense, in that it refers to various things--the Gift at the Wall, as you point out, but also, the gift of mercy (Arya kills Meryn Trant?). Plus, Cersei says something to the effect that Margaery being arrested is a gift from the gods, and creepy LF says something to Sansa about the 'gifts' he's giving her--the Vale, Harry the Heir (in the books anyway) and now, Winterfell.
joliefaire
Neo Member
Kill the boy
and let the man be born, is what Maester Aemon says to Jon, when Jon has to begin making hard choices, a leader's choices. The thinking among some fans is that Maester Aemon will die shortly after this conversation with Jon.
badcrumble
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Disagree about double meanings, tbh. I was always pretty certain that the 'Myhsa' episode was also going to be about Catelyn showing up again as a dark mirror to Dany's themes, but nope. They don't always do that.
Steelyuhas
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Watchers has confirmed that those episodes titles for 505, 506, and 507 are legit.
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