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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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I love all of the wear and tear on the doors and pillars. Gives it such a lived-in feel.
Was the Olenna and Tywin talking scene in the books? If not, props to them.
Essos did get more interesting with Tyrion and Arya being there though. It went from a 2/10 to a 5/10.
I agree with previous psots, Braavos is so disconnected from the main plot it doesn't feel fair to dump it together with the rest of Essos right now. The may converge later on, but as of ADWD they feel completely different.
I love your optimism.
PHOENIXZERO
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Any shooting with Bran now would just be in an indoor set though.
Steelyuhas
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They have a few scenes in the show that aren't in the book (neither is a viewpoint character). Olenna shitting on Mace at Joffrey's wedding was amazing.
I think there's a possibility that we'll still see an Aegon in the show except he'll have nothing to do with Tyrion. I've read some interesting theories that Show Trystane will either replace Aegon or be Aegon disguised as Prince Doran's heir.
This eliminates the need for Arianne, Quentyn, and JonCon with a significant chunk of ADWD and onward condensed. If Aegon ends up taking the throne in TWOW and battles Dany later on we'll still be able to see that. It sucks that so much is being cut but if they want seven 10 episode seasons significant changes need to be made.
Their invented dialog scenes are generally very good, it's when they try to restructure entire plots that things fall apart. The only time they've gotten solid payoff out of it is the Brienne-Hound fight. All the others have disappointed.
Steelyuhas
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Basileus777
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I'm not surprised considering how Hibberd's write up on it was so vaguely worded and reliant on the original quote.
Cornballer
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It's kind of impressive how a vaguely worded comment can spin off a bunch of articles and speculation these days - goes to show how big the show has gotten.
Steelyuhas
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Quite a few bigger sites picked up the story, whoops.
Incandenza
Banned
Especially considering it was based on literally one sentence that did not explicitly mention Bran at all.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I think she was pretty decent, and the scene where it is just Cersei and Robert talking was just spectacular.
Good. It's possible he means S6 and they're filming his scenes before he gets too old, but it's a good sign.
Show watchers would forget a good deal of Bran's story if he didn't show up in an entire season.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Are you saying that show Trystane would be the child of Elia and Rhaegar, like a Dornish Jon Snow?
That...might actually work.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
That's far and away the best thing they've added.
Hated Ros. With so many characters and scenes cut, I don't think the show can afford to have such useless new characters.
Hell, with LSH out, I don't know why Brienne has so many scenes, for example. Though to be honest, that's my most hated POV in the books as well, so there's that.
Hell, with LSH out, I don't know why Brienne has so many scenes, for example. Though to be honest, that's my most hated POV in the books as well, so there's that.
Pretty much. Doran's plan would be vengeance through his nephew. The only confusion is what role will Myrcella play? Would she just be killed off instead of maimed so Trystane would be free to marry Dany?
And if Aegon really is being raised by Doran that adds a lot more depth to last season's scene with Oberyn and Varys.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Myrcella is a non-issue here. Regardless of what happens to her, the outcome should still be pretty much the same.
My only concern would be do we really need two plots where a man secretly adopts his dead sister's son after the war and claims it's his only to reveal that he's actually of royal heritage? Seems like it would detract from the eventual Jon reveal to drop that card now.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Who wants to work on a project for six straight years? Who wants to work on a project for five straight years? Four? Blech. Too long! Variety is the spice of life!
Thing is, none of the actors work on Game of Thrones full time. They all have opportunities to work on other projects in between seasons - Emilia Clarke is doing all sorts of movies, including the new poorly named Terminator Genisys, Maisie Williams is in a bunch of things (The Last of Us!), Kit Harington was in Pompeii and some other generic looking fantasy film; Lena Headey, Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Gwendoline Christie are all in upcoming films, etc. etc. I have no idea how long each actor spends on set filming a season of Game of Thrones, but because the cast is so large each character (even major ones) only gets a few dozen minutes of screen time per season anyway, so it can't be that bad.
They were! If only their scenes served a purpose and were there to do anything but delay character development for Arya...
Oh c'mon!
So you disagree?
There's two! Only 705 more to go until it reaches parity with the list of negatives!
boooo
PHOENIXZERO
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Good to know because yeah, Hodor and Meera aren't that important at this point.
They already work nearly year round on production, it's just not feasible. They could push Jon Snow's assassination into just an episode cliffhanger in S6 seeing as they didn't do the election last season, he might need at least a season to really get established as the Lord Commander. I could see them ending up going with the season eight option that's supposedly on the table if seven doesn't cut it..
They already work nearly year round on production, it's just not feasible. They could push Jon Snow's assassination into just an episode cliffhanger in S6 seeing as they didn't do the election last season, he might need at least a season to really get established as the Lord Commander. I could see them ending up going with the season eight option that's supposedly on the table if seven doesn't cut it..
I'm saying, I doubt D&D have as much free time for side projects. Their's is the contract that matters re how many seasons happen. HBO (all networks) has a horrific track record with shows that switch runners, as True Blood will attest.
Mmm finding some kinship with your family's most profound enemy and then choosing to not try and murder him was worthwhile to me. Also putting those two actors together being clever and sly at each other is enough of a "purpose" for me too. The pleasures of TV are different than the pleasures of books.
Oh c'mon!
I want to believe! But this isn't my first rodeo, I been burned before. Dance didn't really inspire confidence in me.
It's just a little dire.
Oh c'mon!
She didn't do that out of kindness, she didn't give him the gift of death, and wanted him to die suffering, that's what I got from both the book and the show.
Still a good arc, but I seem to have seen it differently to you.
Looks like my doubts on Hibberd were well-founded.
Phoenician_Viking
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WhereAreMahDragonz
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They could make it so that Trystane knows about his parentage, but can't tell anyone because of the secrecy of the whole thing. It would be common knowledge within the main Martell family.
Jon is different, because there's only one living person who knows what happened in the Tower of Joy. It would be a huge surprise.
He's totally dead.
He died for your sins.
bengraven
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I'm..actually okay with that idea of Aegon and Trystane being one.
Then again, when Tryst went all aggro Dorne would publically have to side against him if they were still wanting to put people on the Small Council. Or just assume at this point, like how the books are hinting, that Dorne is at open war.
I think that was on purpose. One of those poetic things of GRRMs, how things are similar, but not.
Then again, when Tryst went all aggro Dorne would publically have to side against him if they were still wanting to put people on the Small Council. Or just assume at this point, like how the books are hinting, that Dorne is at open war.
I think that was on purpose. One of those poetic things of GRRMs, how things are similar, but not.
PhoenixDark
Banned
If Aegon is Trystane...does that mean he's really Trystane or a fake? I understand the show would be cutting the Blackfyre stuff but I'm curious whether they're going to make "Aegon" really Aegon, whereas it's pretty clear he's a fraud in the books. Plus the whole "Rhaegar having two sons with dark hair" thing.
And doesn't it kill the purpose of Doran being cautious and trying to ally with the most powerful army (ie dragons)? If it's just his quasi-son, how does that benefit Dorne? At least book Aegon has a large army of trained mercenaries, siege animals, and a very competent battle commander (Connington). Trystane-Aegon would just have Dorne, unless they have the Tyrells switch sides.
And doesn't it kill the purpose of Doran being cautious and trying to ally with the most powerful army (ie dragons)? If it's just his quasi-son, how does that benefit Dorne? At least book Aegon has a large army of trained mercenaries, siege animals, and a very competent battle commander (Connington). Trystane-Aegon would just have Dorne, unless they have the Tyrells switch sides.
Tyrion would probably go with Varys to get the Golden Company but at some point he gets kidnapped by Jorah. That would give Aegon the army he needs.
We at least know that The Golden Company Exists in the show since it was mentioned last season. Also if Randyll Tarly really does side with Aegon like some people suspect he will he might be able to replace JonCon in the show.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
So? This is bigger than they are - let 'em step down. It shouldn't be difficult at all to find a more capable showrunner to take their place.
Oscar winning American Beauty writing Six Feet Under creator Alan Ball was who they were replacing on True Blood.
D&D wrote Troy and X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
A lot of the cast members have great chemistry with each other, so why not just stick them all in a room together and give each of them an incredible monologue that lasts for dozens of minutes at a time? I'm sure it would make for a great show.
Steelyuhas
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It's not really though, it's their show. As far as we can tell, HBO has made next to no demands about how long the show goes or what direction it takes.
That's not to say HBO would cancel the show if D&D said "we're out" tomorrow, but they certainly aren't going to go step on the toes of the showrunners of their most successful show of all time. They have free reign to do what they want.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I'm saying that if they got pissy and wanted to leave because they got sick of working on GoT (of which, at this point, there has been no indication of), HBO could easily find someone to replace them with. Not that HBO necessarily would, but they certainly could.
Steelyuhas
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Oh yeah, for sure
BrokenIcarus
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If trystane is Aegon and Quentyn and Arianne are cut, Doran has no more heirs? The death of house Martell?
Does not seem very plausible if you ask me.
Does not seem very plausible if you ask me.
I kinda half-expect the Snakes to get legitimized in the show.
I know Dorne doesn't look down upon bastards but are they allowed to be in the succession line? By that I mean can a bastard child be placed ahead of a full blood sibling due to them being older?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Yes? I mean isn't that why Robb named Jon his heir and legitimized him?
Yes. The series has many tales of how kings can remove the taint of bastardy.
BrokenIcarus
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Even if they do, they'd still be Oberyns children and not Dorans, him having zero children when he's the head of House Martell seems stupid to me.
All Martells are going to die in a completely stupid way in the end anyway.
He'll end up without heirs in the books too.
No, no. That's not what I was asking? I meant specifically with regards to Dornish law are bastards automatically placed properly in the succession line i.e. oldest gets first, without being legitimized?
For example, in the case of the Starks under Dornish law would Jon Snow automatically inherit above Bran and Rickon without any royal decree or something?
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