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Jamie in Dorne is a much better idea than Jamie in the Riverlands, to be fair to the show. Jaime and Bron have great camaraderie.
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Because he was only useful to her when he could walk? Context is a thing.
Liquidsnake
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These ideas, theories and truths are all fascinating to me.
At that point they were still trying to get to her aunt, weren't they? There was some value in having him as a travel companion at that point. Once they get there and find out Lysa is dead than she realizes she really has no one. And then there's quite the difference between fairly superficial bite wounds vs. a mortally wounded man with multiple external and internal injuries who is bleeding out and can't stand.
That's your interpretation of that scene and their S4 storyline? That she was never warming up to him? She was just pretending while he was useful to her?
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
She hated him ever since episode 2 of season 1 when he killed the butchers boy.
Is that not your interpretation? She had a begrudging acceptance of their situation, and started to get a begrudging respect for him, but she still had him on her kill list the entire time. Seems perfectly in line with her character that when he was seemingly mortally wounded she would take advantage of the situation.
We've had Turner claiming that she was in a "horrible" scene a couple of months ago, and now we have Alfie Allen talking about what seems to be the same scene.
Everything seems to be leading up to Sansa being doomed at the hands of Ramsay, and Brienne showing up to rescue her (and maybe die).
It seems pretty safe to say that that's exactly where the show is going now.
Memento Mori
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Brienne replacing Mance as Able? I guess that could work.
Incandenza
Banned
I just hope they don't try to take some sort of torture porn-y angle with it. Now that the show has a pop-culture notoriety for killing people a lot of interviews stress this weird one-upsmanship of "Oh man, there's stuff this season that's so fucked up, man. The Red Wedding was nothing, just wait." and I hope that hasn't seeped into the writing room too because that's not gonna lead to good storytelling.
It wasn't. I never even thought about the possibility she was just pretending to care about him. I'll have to watch that scene again.
Memento Mori
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Iwan Rheon was quoted as saying he didn't want to do some of his season 5 scenes which doesn't bode well on that front.
If it is just Theon going down, then yep, it is definitely "a six", as Sophie Turner graded that scene. This is game of Thrones, a girl recieving oral sex is far less traumatizing than, for example, Ross's death after sex scene, just to put one of many examples of horrible sexual violence.
If dogs are involved, however... yickes. That would be one of the most horrid things ever potrayed in this show by far, and that's saying a lot. I don't believe that they are crossing that line, at least not yet.
As for the validity of Sansa replacing Jeyne regarding her character arc, I think that it is not as if she would be returning to her victim role. I believe that she will "endure" it and bid her time, and that when time comes she will take the matters in her own hands after a botched rescue attempt. In short, she will end up doing with Ramsay what she didn't dare to do with Joffrey, which would make a ton more sense character-wise.
As for the Cersei-Jaime rape scene, it wasn't a production problem. The script was fucking atrocious, as you can see when you compare the book dialogues side to side with the show's. You could give that screenplay to the best director ever, and the result would have been the same: a rape scene. D&D biggest fuck up yet.
If dogs are involved, however... yickes. That would be one of the most horrid things ever potrayed in this show by far, and that's saying a lot. I don't believe that they are crossing that line, at least not yet.
As for the validity of Sansa replacing Jeyne regarding her character arc, I think that it is not as if she would be returning to her victim role. I believe that she will "endure" it and bid her time, and that when time comes she will take the matters in her own hands after a botched rescue attempt. In short, she will end up doing with Ramsay what she didn't dare to do with Joffrey, which would make a ton more sense character-wise.
As for the Cersei-Jaime rape scene, it wasn't a production problem. The script was fucking atrocious, as you can see when you compare the book dialogues side to side with the show's. You could give that screenplay to the best director ever, and the result would have been the same: a rape scene. D&D biggest fuck up yet.
Pyramid head
Banned
Judging by D&D's response to someone who brought up the problem with that scene at the Q&A session they did recently, it's clear that they are completely misunderstanding the criticism of that scene. They think that they are being taken to task for daring to have Jaime rape Cersei right in the middle of a 'redemption arc', and that they thought that they knew the scene would be contraversal but they thought it was 'important to do' the way it was done.
They either completely misread the scene in the book or just wanted it to be rape in the show regardless of what it was in the book. Either way, it wasn't a fuck up as far as they're concerned no matter how much it seemed like one.
Not only that, but McElhatton also said "We do some horrible things to some lovely people" at one of the premieres.
welcome to the club <3
It boggles my mind when I read about some viewers rooting for the Boltons and specifically Ramsay, just because of Robb and Theon fucking things up. lol
They will probably change their minds especially if the show is (and it looks like they will from all the talk) putting Sansa in fArya's place.
They will probably change their minds especially if the show is (and it looks like they will from all the talk) putting Sansa in fArya's place.
Which is fucking idiotic.
Were you expecting "You know Arya, we really are the last of us?"
Sloppy writing. They made Arya and the Hound get too close in the show so her not willing to give him a quick death made little sense.
I won't disagree with you there.
Liquidsnake
Banned
If this happens, I will be pretty upset, and it wouldn't even make sense to me.
Ganzlinger
Member
What... no.. God, please no...
Anyway, it has been a long time since I read the books and I know this was probably discussed... but does that judgement on last episode happens in the books? It was incredibly dumb... I can't remember..
Last season was the best but these two first episodes were awful imo
Christ hope we don't end up with Brienne freezing to death in a cage with only Pod's skin to keep her warm now she could be replacing Mance.
Ganzlinger
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I'll probably drop the series if they replace fArya with Sansa.
I don't even get what Littlefinger would be hoping to accomplish by taking her to Winterfell. Bringing her to the Bolton's in general doesn't make sense to me.
I get that they'll most likely do the escape with Theon, and that they'll end up with Stannis, I just don't know how they'll justify it.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Ramsay's girlfriend torturing Sansa seems more likely to me. At least in the next 4 episodes or so. If Roose leaves Winterfell, I can see Ramsay showing his true self a whole lot sooner to Sansa.
badcrumble
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I think it's more likely that Sansa is gonna reverse Red Wedding those fuckers as a stand in for Wyman Manderly, not end up fleeing with Theon.
Sansa using secretly all the people left loyal to Starks in Winterfell to make some Frey and Bolton pies would be pretty sweet.
Ganzlinger
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And they would ruin Littlefinger. In the books we don't know much of his true intentions with Sansa, if he desires her or if she is just a tool. He is an awesome and unpredictable character. Making him an obvious bad guy allied with the Boltons just ruins all the expectations I had for him as that would make him taking a side, I was hoping that he would be a dark horse with all the Eyrie subplot.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Uh if people haven't figured this out by now, I would be shocked. Or are you talking about being allied with the Boltons since the beginning?
Ganzlinger
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I don't see him as an "obvious" bad guy like the Boltons and Freys and Cersei, I see him as a wild card. He betrayed Ned but killed Joffrey and saved Sansa. He plays the game to achieve the best for himself but everybody does. I'm saying that he isn't a sadistic or a twisted person but selling Sansa to Ramsay knowing that he is a psycho would make him as worst as Ramsay. I don't see him like that at the books, I actually see him like someone who loved Catlyn and have some sort of feeling towards Sansa. But that's how I view the picture. If you are a Ned/Stark fan you might think that his betrayal is unforgivable and so he is the bad guy from very start.
Or she just gets severely tortured, Littlefinger kills Stannis, Roose Bolton escapes, and Brienne ends up dying in the stupidest way possible. Also Olly kills Jon, Jaime dies in Dorne, Barristan gets killed by the Sons of the Harpy, and Bloodraven isn't controlling Daario.
Best to set expectations low after last year. #neverforget #iHaveTheRightToBeACharacter #GreyjoyGate
Thaedolus
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I love that I read this whole post before I read your username
bodyofanamerican
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Iwan Rheon was also quoted as saying
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/game-of-thrones-reek-torturer-ramsay-are-pals-off-screen-2015104#ixzz3XzzjTf2R
So...maybe Frey pies are in? And that's the scene?
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/game-of-thrones-reek-torturer-ramsay-are-pals-off-screen-2015104#ixzz3XzzjTf2R
So...maybe Frey pies are in? And that's the scene?
indigo-cyclops
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I certainly hope this is the case
Byakuya769
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I'm kind of glad the show will eclipse the books. After the show is over, I can hopefully have the story sanitized by new books.
bodyofanamerican
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WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
It's not that I view him as a villain for being pro stark, but he is directly responsible for a majority of what has happened in the books including the Stark-Lannister War and the countless deaths on both sides.
bodyofanamerican
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I forget, the show did reveal him as the architect of Jon Arryn's murder too, right?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I suspect that it has, although I suppose time will tell.
Ganzlinger
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Yeah, he is definitely not a good guy. My point is that as far as we know he isn't in the level of Ramsay and Joffrey who are okay with torture and rape. He has malice and is an ambitious little man, I'd dare say even a "charming" one. I'd expect him to manipulate Sansa, teaching her how to play the game of thrones but not sell her to Ramsay at least I don't see the books going to that direction. If the show make that move, it will be a drastic change or a huge spoiler to me.
Lysa says that. But the whole thing turned out to be too convenient for Cersei. And when Ned said that she had him killed she never denied, and she acted like she knew it was murdering. So I assumed that Littlefinger offered his help to Cersei and used Lysa to get Arryn killed.
pretty much this.
Shit just got real on book diversions if this happens
I don't really like this at all, especially as if I remember correctly (as it's been a while since I've read the books) we don't really know what Stoneheart's character arc pans out to be. Who knows if she plays an important role.
bodyofanamerican
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I will say that if Sansa is involved I can see it being a perceived Bolton desecration of Winterfell, but I can't see how the North would allow that.
Steelyuhas
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The villain is Stannis
Interestingly enough, Andy Greenwald and Chris Ryan on Grantland were talking about how the villains are kind of gone on the show now (and on the flip side, so are the unquestionable good guy heroes (Ned and Robb).
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