Remember that Littlefinger will do anything to anyone if it improves his position. Sansa's safety is at best a secondary concern to controlling more regions and avenging Catelyn.
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Remember that Littlefinger will do anything to anyone if it improves his position. Sansa's safety is at best a secondary concern to controlling more regions and avenging Catelyn.
Anton Sugar
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It wouldn't have been such a blow if it was actually choreographed and blocked well. As it went, it stands as one of the series' poorer fights It felt like they just cut in a few shots of Barry killing guys--there was never any great swordwork on display.
The marriage benefits the Boltons, which is why they agreed to it. Roose Bolton is a smart man who can spot deception, but he doesn't understand that Littlefinger has been playing houses against each other from the beginning.
The whole reason for all these scenes like Ramsay saying the man he flayed would never kiss a traitor's boot and the note Jon received about "I serve no one but the Starks." (paraphrasing) is to establish the northern mentality.
They understand loyalty to a cause, even a lost cause. Roose Bolton gained power because of Tywin Lannister, but Cersei couldn't give a crap about Roose Bolton. She's a selfish, short-sighted character who can only see the Tyrells right now.
There's not really any good swordplay in the series at all. Just wild swipes and blocks. It sure is fun to watch though.
Cenk from TYT figuring out R+L=J in real time. Pretty hilarious along with YouTube comments from people just now figuring out "how much sense it makes." Revelation just after the 37 min mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APTSTmnIoxg&feature=youtu.be&t=2220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APTSTmnIoxg&feature=youtu.be&t=2220
That would piss off Stannis, Cersei, and the Tyrells in one fell swoop. Not a good idea to make an enemy out of every major player in the realm.
That's because all the unsullied are good for is fighting. Some goobers with masks that impede their view in an open fight shouldn't be a worry.
Anton Sugar
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I WANT to say there was one or two good fights somewhere in S2-S3. Can't remember, though.
That exposes Littlefinger as helping Sansa escape. And I can't believe Cersei would be dumb enough to not begin to suspect he must have had a hand in the death.
We now have to dispel any notion that Sansa is wanted for regicide for this to work.
badcrumble
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I don't think the Siege of Meereen is cut altogether just because it's not showing up this season.
I think Jon Snow's stuff during episode 9 last year was pretty good. Brienne vs. prisoner Jaime on the bridge was decent, but not really a proper fight. Bronn's season one trial by combat was pretty good, but more because of how he avoided actually sword fighting his armored opponent. Oberyn vs. Mountain was showy but not really a sword fight since Oberyn was using the spear and he dominated the choreography. So yeah, for the most part it's just kind of average swordplay, with isolated cool moments outside of actual duels (Brienne's horseback stuff this season, Daario vs. rider last season, etc) Like, Brienne vs Hound is a great fight because seeing the characters go at it is awesome, but the fight doesn't really get good until they both lose their swords and it turns into a nasty brawl. The actual swordplay part of the fight was kind of a mess of quick cuts.
The show actually doesn't have much just straight sword fighting in it. Like, outside of what I mentioned and the latest episode, the only other prominent things that come to mind are Jaime vs Ned and Syrio vs kingsguard in season 1? Blackwater didn't really have anything aside from general battle stuff. Robb vs tree in season 2 I guess? Maybe the few seconds of Hound vs Mountain at the joust in s1.
Barriston's just seemed kind of slow to me, probably because the actor was actually doing a lot of the fighting himself since we were seeing his face?
I didn't read the books but I don't mind spoilers so I have to ask... does Dany unleash he dragons one and for all on these fucks or what? What's the point of being the mother of dragons if you never use what you are known for?
Also do we know that Lady Stoneheart is not going to be on the show, was that stated?
Also do we know that Lady Stoneheart is not going to be on the show, was that stated?
That may be the case, if the show has established that (the book version is irrelevant), but I'll definitely need to rewatch and see to refresh.
Nah, it's dumb. That's not really much buildup and most of it seems in the past tense. That Selmy could best Cersei's chumps isn't a big deal. And why is this season 'supposed' to be the payoff? Because that's what you read in the books?
Cpt.Underpants
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No, she has absolutely no control over her two dragons. Except Drogon
LSH is as dead as a dodo
We're about caught up with the books, and Dany has not barbecued villages or armies ye. Lady Stoneheart is out.
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Anton Sugar
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Man. Seems like it was just yesterday that the Season 2 trailer was released, which showed some cinematic shots of sword fights. Everyone in the thread going "oh cool, looks like we're going to get much better sword fights now!"
I have some hope for Hardhome. And actually, based on trailers,
Jorah in the fighting pits
Liquidsnake
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My GF said the unsullied have become soft since coming under home girls rule. She said remember they cut a nipple off and the guy didn't flinch, now they scream when they get stabbed, they visit brothels to get cuddled.
They are soft now.
I didn't think the last two books were all that great, so I'm more inclined to be forgiving to the show. So much of the books were devoted to stuff that just didn't go anywhere. Imagine a season with the Iron isles, Aegon, and Quentyn taking up the majority of the screen time, only for nothing to come of it. Ick.
I'd guess that's the problem with Cersei in Kings Landing. A big part of her going crazy was all the minor characters and plots she was getting involved in. Those are missing, but she & Kings Landing are just too big to leave out for a season.
I'd thought Dorne was going to be the big thing this season. But so far its been pretty tame. I liked the theory that Doran Martell was pulling all the strings, but they've hardly touched him.
I'd guess that's the problem with Cersei in Kings Landing. A big part of her going crazy was all the minor characters and plots she was getting involved in. Those are missing, but she & Kings Landing are just too big to leave out for a season.
I'd thought Dorne was going to be the big thing this season. But so far its been pretty tame. I liked the theory that Doran Martell was pulling all the strings, but they've hardly touched him.
SquiddyCracker
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Eudarioo.
Those cookie cutter mother fuckers, they're just like the rest of these dudes safe moist as dudes.
That random whore in Meereen that's helping the Sons of the Harpy is steadily climbing the ranks of people I want to see get Arakh'd. She's bad news.
Realistically though nearly any book is filled with filler, as there are usually a few core characters surrounded by a living world full of more characters. This is no different.
The Albatross
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He was burned in Rome...? Doesn't he play Julius Caesar?
Yeah, and Caesar is cremated after his assassination.
Why is that stupid? We don't really know Ned's skill level because he isn't some prancing tourney knight but clearly he must be pretty good since he fought in the Rebellion and survived and went up against three Kingsguards knights.
Cpt.Underpants
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Yeah, but it was 6 against 3
Everyone knows Reed did most of the work while the other five sucked.
Man, Howland and Brynden are just chilling in Greywater sipping on some bog juice while Howland keeps asking "Have I ever told you about that time I wrecked 3 Kingsguard members? Nah man, Ned didn't do shit. IT WAS ALLLLLL ME."
I really would find it funny if we never get to meet Howland, he's the most intriguing character in the story for me.
And do not give me that HR = HS bullshit. NO. NO.
SquiddyCracker
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lmao, amazing post from the book thread:
According to Martin, Ned is a competent swordsman. Jaime on the other hand is one of the best who ever lived. Jaime should have torn Ned apart. The only people who can stand up to Jaime are Barristan and maybe the Cleganes.
What is with you guys and these giant ass tumblr posts?
Except after reading the books you expect the story line to open up, I mean what was the point of Young Griff/Aegon ?
It's just a little annoying tbh, GRRM writing schedule doesn't make it any better either.
I guess that is my main gripe, the damn story from the books being overwritten to a large extent.
Karl Tanner from gin alley was designed as filler much more so than somebody like Quentyn.
badcrumble
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It's also not beyond the realm of possibility that Aegon's just been bumped to season 6, you guys. Obviously there are some pretty massive changes happening with Varys/Tyrion stuff this season, but I still believe he's going to have to play a reasonably significant role in Westerosi politics especially once Stannis and Tommen inevitably kick the bucket.
But he was a fuckin legend. He could piss in any gutter and sow five of you.
I read that in Varys' voice, and it was amazing.
Well I guess his introduction to the series would be just as jarring as it was in the books.
Though I only slightly cared about his character because of Tyrion's involvement.
Just another self entitled Targ, at least Daney went through a lot of trials, even though her character sometimes forgets.
badcrumble
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Varys as an actual Targaryen supporter instead of as a Blackfyre supporter is a weird change from where the books seem to be, but it's also pretty key that we don't really know what book-Varys's position on Dany is outside of the fact that he did have Jorah foil the never-intended-to-succeed assassination plot in AGOT.
The idea that she's supposed to be a big noisy distraction from Aegon is kind of funny because the people in King's Landing (books and show) are generally too myopic to even remember to pay attention to Daenarys in the first place, lol.
But yeah, I could see Aegon still showing up in Season 6 of the show - it's not like he starts genuinely mattering to the plot before he actually starts invading Westeros, which is tail-end-of-ADWD material.
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