Not that shocking..it just means that the show blew up in popularity following it.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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Yep, Tower of Joy. The dialogue part was too short. They didn't give the viewer enough information. The dialogue failed to capture the sad mood or feeling of importance of the scene, so it was just Ned fighting two guys with swords. That to me is a nothing scene. It really needed "our knees do not bend easily", "the Kingsguard does not flee", and "our false brother would burn in seven hells" to build atmosphere and to let you know something more about the people than that they're just great fighters.
No mention that they were the Kingsguard. No mention that their King had just been killed by Jaime. No mention that had been expected to bend the knee or flee with Viserys.
I don't see how viewers who haven't read the books or studied the show would know who Ned was fighting or why. I don't know why they would care about that fight.
You said you were expecting them to butcher it. I was expecting them to get a easy home run.
The lines are already written for them. How could they screw it up?Also, Sean Bean should have been Ned again.
Ned just pokes his head in and grabs Jon.
"Promise me Ned."
"Okay."
"We have to go now Bran."
Nope.
We had Ned and Littlefinger walking down the garden and him pointing out who are his birds and who are Varys', and it included kids, people cleaning, and even septas. Then you have the kid who gives Jorah his pardon I guess, but it's never explicitly stated his birds are kids.
I certainly hope it is another ruse (which tells a lot, again hoping for another ruse), because if Varys' little birds are so easy to spot and find and buy back with sweets he sucked at his job and we know that is pretty much absurd.
Direct quotes from the scene:Yep, Tower of Joy. The dialogue part was too short. They didn't give the viewer enough information. The dialogue failed to capture the sad mood or feeling of importance of the scene, so it was just Ned fighting two guys with swords. That to me is a nothing scene. It really needed "our knees do not bend easily", "the Kingsguard does not flee", and "our false brother would burn in seven hells" to build atmosphere and to let you know something more about the people than that they're just great fighters.
No mention that they were the Kingsguard. No mention that their King had just been killed by Jaime. No mention that had been expected to bend the knee or flee with Viserys.
I don't see how viewers who haven't read the books or studied the show would know who Ned was fighting or why. I don't know why they would care about that fight.
You said you were expecting them to butcher it. I was expecting them to get a easy home run.
Also, Sean Bean should have been Ned again.
"The Mad King is dead."
"Why weren't you there to protect your prince?"
I think the problem of this show's writing is exacerbated by the fact that D and D want everyone to talk like "regular people". The goal is noble, except that they can't write natural conversations without these unwelcome characterizations cropping up in the dialogue.
They should assign certain characters as "talking books" so they can completely recite line by line what is said in the books. Then the less educated characters can talk like commoners and say stuff like "I'VE NEVAH HAD A QUEEN SUCK MY COCK BEFORE!" or whatever.
They should assign certain characters as "talking books" so they can completely recite line by line what is said in the books. Then the less educated characters can talk like commoners and say stuff like "I'VE NEVAH HAD A QUEEN SUCK MY COCK BEFORE!" or whatever.
Well, they already turned Littlefinger into a rube with lady season's Sansa's plot so it's Varys' turn to revealed as a bumbling schemer.
The people I was watching it with were like "What prince? Is Ned coming to kill them because they didn't protect a prince?"
Those quotes are not good enough.
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Enjoying seeing where the story is going after all these years, but the actual show itself just seems to be progressing too quickly. They've packed these "shock" moments a bit too densely in each episode. It feels like I'm playing the Telltale GOT game or something with all of these characters just getting thrown away as if their deaths are supposed to be impactful despite having such little time on screen.
All this is just making me want the book version sooner than later (heh).
All this is just making me want the book version sooner than later (heh).
Haha. The line before it specifically mentions Rhaegar. The line after has Ned ask about his sister.
I don't know what to tell you. All the non-book readers I was with had no issue understanding outside of questions of what's in the tower.
cj_iwakura
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Either they really are ending this next season(which feels oddly possible), or they are out for blood.
As for ToJ, the dialogue in the scene was fine, I think it was too... overscored? They wanted it to be a bombastic action piece, but I think it would have been stronger without music, or something more solemn.
I also pictured the Kingsguard as being more lithe and less built.
Atraveller
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Interesting discussion about the books and the show, that's why I like this place so much.
I wouldn't mind if the Sand Snakes bite it.
Don't know why so many are thinking this is some vast Northern conspiracy to restore Rickon to Winterfell. This is the show. After what we just saw in Dorne, are you surprised? GRRM wasn't really doing snything with Rickon so the show is utilizing him to up the stakes between the Jon Snow vs Ramsay fight before the White Walkers smash down the Wall.
If they wanted to do a ruse, they would have used a commoner and not the little Lord knowing how dangerous Ramsay is. He even said how would he know it is him. Most likely he'll rape Osha, torture Rickon before killing him. We know from the show and books that those who lose their direwolves or turn away from them suffer bad luck. Sansa, Robb etc. Their direwolves represent them.
Getting tired of how conveniently overpowered Ramsay is. More luck than a leprechaun.
If they wanted to do a ruse, they would have used a commoner and not the little Lord knowing how dangerous Ramsay is. He even said how would he know it is him. Most likely he'll rape Osha, torture Rickon before killing him. We know from the show and books that those who lose their direwolves or turn away from them suffer bad luck. Sansa, Robb etc. Their direwolves represent them.
Getting tired of how conveniently overpowered Ramsay is. More luck than a leprechaun.
But who's going to rule Dorne?
ugh I still try to pretend none of winterfell season 5 happened.
I'm more hopeful for this one, the scene cuts from Varys saying he never trust men and only his birds, clear forshadowing, and also (spoilers from first trailer)
here at this timestamp (slow down the video) we see what appears to be Varys' kids killing someone, at first when the trailer was released people assume it was going to be Kevan or Pycelle but it can also be Qyburn at this point.
Atraveller
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Ellaria, the Sand Snakes' only function is to be edgy.
Time for the show to introduce Gerold Dayne.
cj_iwakura
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This is Ramsay's downfall, there's no way around it. They're setting him up, then Jon's going to bring him down.
Atraveller
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I mean there's no reason for the Sand Snakes to have plot armor.
You really think all non-book readers remember who Rhaegar is?
My god man, it was pretty explicit in how it was said.
But sure, keep asking that Ned hold a powerpoint presentation detailing Targ lineage and players prior to the fight. Sounds great.
Isn't the assumption that it will be Boltons + Umbers + Karstarks vs Jon + Smaller Northern Houses and then Littlefinger saves the day?
Flaying Rickon and putting him on display seems to be a good way to set that all off.
I personally think we are going to see Roose on the flay stakes personally. Jon ain't fucking around no more.
Davos is searching for Rickon in Skagos. He's going to be riding a unicorn!
Interesting idea but I don't see Jon flaying anyone, specially someone who was "poisoned by his enemies".
RatskyWatsky
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Or just have better dialogue like the book had.
Why say
"The Mad King is dead" when
“When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
would refresh everyone's memory on the story and tell the audience it was their king without needing them to connect the dots and assuming knowledge of Rhaegar.
That's exactly the kind of watered down for TV, condescending tone that a lot of us appreciate being spared (mostly).
Haha this is hilarious. This shit is bordering on parody at this point.
Really liked the actor who played Dayne. He made a big impression in the few scenes he's in, and I'm not just talking about the ones where he's fighting. There's the face of a man who's fully prepared to die because he's sworn a vow. There's no malice here against Ned & his party.
Atraveller
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I think the Kingsguard armor looks better under Robert's reign.
It's Castle Black, which is where they were headed. There's no reason to think they went anywhere else.
Steelyuhas
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Taking off the white cloaks to fight was a cool touch.
Actor shuts down fan theory of new season (Spoilers maybe)
After the debacle with Kit and interviews I'm taking this as confirmation,
That interview still feels to be spilling plot points more than expected.
After the debacle with Kit and interviews I'm taking this as confirmation,
lol no, that spoiler from the extra in the big battle seems the real deal to me.
That interview still feels to be spilling plot points more than expected.
My parents didn't even remember who Rickon was.
FootballFan
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Top 5 in the show imo
Atraveller
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Neither did mine.
Byakuya769
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They should start paying attention to those ham-handed "previously on GoT" openers. Only way D&D know how to actually connect that entire story, it seems.
My friend is also pretty much lost about tower of joy, he knew Rickon but hardly recognized him, until the direwolf's head was shown.
lol sorry, fixed now.
You copied the title of the article instead of the url ^^.
That sucks if true
lol sorry, fixed now.
A lot of people are going to be pissed if there's a real time-traveling element (show or books) but I'm giddy at what could happen. Every crazy theory is possible! I expect one huge WTF moment in the season finale to make us question everything in the offseason.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
What if Bran is Euron and Daario! :O
timetokill
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I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the books Varys sends the little birds to kill Kevan, right? Qyburn having control of them is messing with my head. Also, now it seems everyone knows the kids are the spies so doesn't that make them seriously less effective? Maybe Qyburn just doesn't get how spies are supposed to work.
Fuck this Rickon/Shaggydog business. Really hope it's a trap. I'm so exhausted from all this Ramsay torture business and everyone's complete idiocy around him.
Fuck this Rickon/Shaggydog business. Really hope it's a trap. I'm so exhausted from all this Ramsay torture business and everyone's complete idiocy around him.
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