Even in the books, I don't think most people who aren't in the NIght's Watch take the Night's Watch and their vows seriously. It's not a respected brotherhood like a religious organization. Maybe some of the more traditional Northern houses like the Starks might, but for most, it's just seen as the "loser boy scouts" where you send the disgraced, the dishonored, and the criminals to, so they don't mingle with the "normal" people.
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Even in the books, I don't think most people who aren't in the NIght's Watch take the Night's Watch and their vows seriously. It's not a respected brotherhood like a religious organization. Maybe some of the more traditional Northern houses like the Starks might, but for most, it's just seen as the "loser boy scouts" where you send the disgraced, the dishonored, and the criminals to, so they don't mingle with the "normal" people.
I love Tommen. Actor really pulls off the impressionable kid act imo.
As far as ruling, I reckon he's the best king he could be atm. Having the High Sparrow as his advisor would work imo but I don't think they have time to go that route.
Randyll was too pissed off at the mere fact that she was a wildling to focus on that. His mom and sister love him no matter what and would forgive him. Plus I take it the Night's Watch is not treated so seriously in the south.
John Dunbar
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i don't remember any examples in the books where people not involved with the night's watch cared about their vows (desertion of course being the exception). pretty sure they all know about mole's town.
Arent vows and honour biggest in the North? Even Roose yapped on about that despite himself being a Northerner...(scum)
Didn't think they were so big everywhere else. Robert broke his weddings vows on the day he made them lol.
And as time goes by we see that honour and vows were really only important to the older lords who have now all but passed.
Didn't think they were so big everywhere else. Robert broke his weddings vows on the day he made them lol.
And as time goes by we see that honour and vows were really only important to the older lords who have now all but passed.
I'm really not sure where they're going with Euron. I think it's understandable that they didn't want to do eyepatches and blue lips, and that they wanted to cast someone who looked like Theon, but I can't tell if they're dropping the entire mystical side of that character and just reworking him as a really good pirate, or if they're just trying to roll out his connections to the mystical side of the story more slowly, and he'll start giving his men shade of the evening and performing blood sacrifices at some point during his raids on the reach. After the new Damphair chapter got read at a con over the weekend, I really want to see that scene of
him tying priests to the prows of ships as sacrifices before battle.
No, not really. The issue of knightly vows, for instance, is a big thing in Jaime and Brienne's stories (and Barristan's).
For those interested in reading the new Aeron chapter that was read, somebody somehow managed to transcribe it from GRRM's reading.
I know it has been mentioned, a lot, since the series was first published, but the themes and comparisons with European/British history continues to grow.
To dumb it down a bit (a lot), it'll be interesting to see if the War of the Five Kings results in similar ripples to the War of the Rose I.E. Noble infighting lessens their prominence in society moving forward.
Combine that with a religious shakeup and an empowered lower class (Henry VIII/Anne Boleyn (Margery)), and I wonder if the series ends not with another war, but a charter to distribute power accordingly (Magna Carta). GRRM likes to pick bits and pieces from different historical figures and events and jumble things up a bit, but you know what I mean. In any event, Tommen's story at the moment is probably as important as Jon's and Dany's.
To dumb it down a bit (a lot), it'll be interesting to see if the War of the Five Kings results in similar ripples to the War of the Rose I.E. Noble infighting lessens their prominence in society moving forward.
Combine that with a religious shakeup and an empowered lower class (Henry VIII/Anne Boleyn (Margery)), and I wonder if the series ends not with another war, but a charter to distribute power accordingly (Magna Carta). GRRM likes to pick bits and pieces from different historical figures and events and jumble things up a bit, but you know what I mean. In any event, Tommen's story at the moment is probably as important as Jon's and Dany's.
This bugged me too. Ned would cut Sam's head off.
elrechazado
Banned
The reveals in this are pretty crazy. Confirming at least three long held fan theories.
Father probably happy he atleast showed something of him being a real man.
bishopcruz
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It really is, Euron in the books is SO much more interesting than he is in the show.
This also confirms that Aeron was often raped as a child by Euron. Lord the Ironborn are all fucked.
Can we also discuss just how ridiculous 1000 ships really is? Where do you keep them? How do you get that much wood? How long will it take? In the books it's what? 137 ships? Why do we suddenly need 1000? Hell the biggest navies in history didn't have that many actual ships.
The Ironborn returning to being raiders and the like is a fairly recent event. Basically Balon is an idiot and decided that he was going to be Harren the Black reborn. It didn't work out. At least the last time we knew that the Ironborn had power, they basically owned all of the Riverlands, so they had a source of food, and a fairly large army. But in the history of the seven kingdoms post Aegon, they have generally been pretty chill and converted to the Seven. So it's not like they have been a constant source of uprisings and attacking their nieghbors.
The problem is religious fanatics with delusions of grandeur took over.
I'm really, really curious about Margeary, what is her plan? No way she actually convert to the faith, that would be the biggest character assasination this show could done.
I don't know why but I have the hunch she will get rid of Tommen, a kid that is so easily manipulated seem like a great deal until we realize he can be manipulated by anyone with a brain.
I don't know why but I have the hunch she will get rid of Tommen, a kid that is so easily manipulated seem like a great deal until we realize he can be manipulated by anyone with a brain.
Her number one goal right now is probably to save Loras. After that, I guess she aims to undermine the Faith. But they probably know this and won't give up Loras so easily. I love the Faith storyline because it challenges the characters beliefs and self-esteem, plus it is completely unpredictable and could erupt into a hurricane of violence at any moment.
If she gets rid of Tommen she has no position.
Glass Shark
Banned
We just had a season and a half of Arya training to become an assassin, and now she's not actually going to become an assassin.
Dany has basically just been moving from place to place for six episodes, has not been under any real threat, and is going to return to Mereen and the status quo.
The High Sparrow stuff is absolutely infuriating and is moving at a glacial pace. And as someone said before, it's a dumb sitcom scenario where if people would just talk rather than try to out-sly each other, things would get solved.
Two different people showed up in this past episode that were apparently supposed to be important dramatic reveals, and both times my wife and I looked at each other like, "Who is that?"
Sam and Gilly have a long conversation about, "Make sure you don't say this thing." which leads to a dinner where obviously the thing gets said and OOOOH DRAMA
Maybe "nothing happens" is not the right way to put it but the show is attempting to do dramatic things but has lost all sense of consequences. It doesn't feel anything like the show it used to. When Oberon and The Mountain went into trial by combat, I was on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen, and shocked at what actually did. Now you have things like pretend drama for two episodes about whether Jon is going to come back to life or not when it's blatantly obvious that he will.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
I hope shes on her way at the end of this season to be honest.
I'm thinking the
Night's King brings down the wall at the end of the season.
I doubt it, big different between desertion and having a kid.
Arya was never going to become an assassin. She's a Stark, not No One. The point of that story was to increase her skills at combat, and test the strength of her identity.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Do you think that was the test all along?
Narratively, that was the test. That wasn't what Jaqen was doing.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Ok thats what I thought, but wasn't 100% sure so I wanted to ask. It does make sense though with her going back to Needle.
Interfectum
Member
I agree with this. I feel like the show is getting weaker and more contrived with each passing season. The High Sparrow shit gets drawn out over multiple seasons while the creation of the white walkers gets explained in literally 5 seconds.
Also I don't feel a sense of dread anymore in the show. Besides Ramsey, who is a comic book villain at this point, I don't feel like any of the big characters are in mortal danger and when they are you can see it coming from a mile away.
vainglorious
Member
Chills man. CHILLS.
Glass Shark
Banned
Yes, this is the biggest problem I have. This was a show where I used to think anything could happen and no one was safe. This is a show that killed off what many assumed was its main character at the end of the first season. And now it feels like there is no real danger to the "heroes."
Dash_Riprock
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Chills man. CHILLS.
I had chills the first time I saw this shit.
The third time? Not so much.
Anton Sugar
Member
Interfectum
Member
Yeah, milking these dragon scenes. Not sure what I was supposed to feel this time. Maybe we'll get another after she gets captured again?
Ros8105
Member
lol, totally.
What? Have we been watching the same show? None of this can be solved by "talking", the sparrow outsmarted them all. This complain makes no sense to me.
Glass Shark
Banned
He didn't outsmart them. Marjory (sp?) is lying and attempting to do some dirty business behind the scenes. At least I hope to god that's what's happening, because if she really did convert to the faith then this show is even dumber than I thought.
vainglorious
Member
Cynicism over dragon riding? Really?
Yes? What does this has to do with it being a "sitcom" scenario?
There was an entire whorehouse built around servicing the Night's Watch in the books.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Chills man. CHILLS.
I'm still wondering what happened to Dany's horse lol
Glass Shark
Banned
Cynicism over dragon riding? Really?
She's been talking about how she's going to conquer the world for like 4 seasons. We need to see her actually start doing something rather than just shouting motivational speeches at her troops.
vainglorious
Member
I'm sure Drogon was licking its mane out of his teeth lol
Dash_Riprock
Member
Cynicism over dragon riding? Really?
Not the dragon riding, but the "Dany says something badass while Dragons are in the background." They've been milking that shit since season 1, and frankly its does nothing for me anymore.
It doesn't look like she really increased her skills at combat. The last time we saw her against the Waif, she was getting her ass kicked, the same as she was when she started 1 1/2 seasons ago.
It also makes it pretty clear what one of Dany's House of the Undying visions was. Kind of crazy that the end to that chapter is something planned since at least back then.
She beat the Waif, while blind.
Her last scene was she going into a dark room with Needle and blowing out a candle, what do you think this is hinting at?
And it's also painfully obvious she is going to steal faces.
She is not Arya from 1 1/2 seasons ago, like, at all.
cartoon_soldier
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Any place that has the highlights?
Corronchilejano
Member
She never said anything while a dragon was on-screen in season 1.
Could you extrapolate on this for those among us who are a bit rusty on the books?
The fact that she couldn't beat her after she regained her eyesight tells us with that the Waif must have went easy on her while she was blind. If she isn't skilled enough to beat her sighted, how could she have done it blind? If they're telling us that she's become a better fighter, they've done a piss poor job of showing that.
Must be why season 1 is still the best season.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VuqHngBpOZ1p0jqkD7xRTCHExMFwBa8qE7VCLsKXzxU/edit
This will make you even more disappointed in show Euron, if you weren't so already.
They didn't want to overpower her, it makes their coming showdown more interesting, I really don't get these complaints.
Even Jaqen was dissapointed, she obviously has the talents the FM need.
One of the visions is a dead man smiling sadly on the prow of a ship. Pretty clear reference to what happens to Dampy at the end of the chapter.
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