wesleyshark
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I have a feeling that we're going to get something that's not just a straightforward R+L=J in the ToJ tomorrow. Some sort of twist beyond J's heritage itself.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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I reckon itll be this seasons cliffhanger
That's pretty much what most of this season has been so far, so I agree with this. If there's actually only 17 episodes left they don't have time to open up any new plots.
Less. There's only 14 episodes left.
Damn, yeah that's basically a straight line to the finish then.
DrForester
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OK then.
Will the final shot be Dany with the dragons in the background, or the dragons with Dany in the background?
Cesare Borgia
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The Riverlands declared for Robb, it's not like he could have simply ignored them and let his mother's land be destroyed. Also Riverrun was an ideal seat for Robb to operate from during his campaign. Ultimately there was no way for the Riverlands not to be drawn into the war.
She will pay the iron price.
If Dany isn't actually on the back of Drogon with the ships underneath them, I'd say Dany with dragons in the background. It's about Her going west.
It's Jeor Mormont's sword and he gave it to Jon.
I suspect that Jon will give up Longclaw in the books back to the Mormonts/Jorah and wield Oathkeeper but with a new pommel. It's in Targ colors after all and made from Ice. Kinda like a reverse version of himself. He looks like a Stark but made from Fire.
WrenchNinja
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I really hope the season doesn't close with Dany.
SargerusBR
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This is the most likely outcome. But i will be a happy man with the Night King destroying the Wall
Blue Ninja
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They had mad kings well before that, just look at Maegor the Cruel. Guy usurped his nephew's throne and his father's dragon, had nine wives, had several of them killed, made several houses go extinct, offered a gold coin for everyone who brought him the scalp of a Warrior's Son, held a tourney to the death to decide who should get Harrenhal, killed his nephew and his nephew's dragon and was ultimately poisoned by his own family.
The question then becomes why didn't the Night's King so it sooner.
It also confirms that to me at least that some of Euron's actions will be given to the show only Night King
If the sept is getting burned to the ground this episode I doubt the wall also comes down, two utterly huge climactic moments seems like way too much.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah there's a very intentional through line that Robb was groomed to lead the north and would have done so well, but he was thrown into an impossible situation.
queue all my :feelsbadman:s
Cersei did in fact order the pyromancers to make wildfire for the siege. However, I think it is a rather unknown fact that there is still wildfire all over the city and not just under the Red Keep. We don't exactly know what rumor Qyburn was investigating, but one could assume it would be not if there was wildfire in the castle, but if it was still placed around the city. I'm sure Jaime told Cersei about it beforehand, but no one bothered to remove them.
Also reposting my death predictions I made before episode 9:
Totally Dead Tier
Ramsay
Kevan
Pycelle
Loras
Rickon
Maybe Dead Tier
Tommen
High Sparrow
Margaery
Tormund
Edd
Alive/Plot armor tier
Dany/Jon/Tyrion trinity
All currently living Starks not named Rickon
Sneaky bros Varys and Littlefinger
Cersei and Jaime
Greyjoys
Everyone else ala Brienne, Pod, Davos, Bronn etc.
Syrio
Bolded got got. Tormund looks like he will survive this season, but I still think everyone in the maybe pile still could bite it. I think a lot of the other deaths ride on how spectacular the wildfire explosion is going to be. Are we talking Carrie or Blackwater Bay? Some people still got out in Carrie, right? I also think Mel has a big chance of dying next episode, but I still want to see her stay with us, especially since Dany is coming.
Also I'm curious to see what happens if the north throws its support behind Jon instead of Sansa.
Everyone in the rest of your totally/maybe dead tier could possibly die tonight, besides Tormund and Edd.
Robb fucked up. He sent his mother to treat with the Freys, then played ball with Walder, consenting to marry himself and a princess of the north to them. Put his faith in Balon Greyjoy. Went west when he should have marched south on KL. Let his bannermen walk and lost WF when he left it to a maester and an ancient nice guy knight.
He is the blueprint of what not to do for Jon when Jon goes south. Jon will hold Theon over a barrel for the Ironborn support. He will have them land west of the twins while he leads his force on the east, take the castle and kill Walder and any other Frey until he gets a compliant one as lord who will follow him no questions asked. He will not fuck about in the west, instead of sending a decoy he will march himself straight down the middle and win at trident. He will outright destroy everyone who doesn't bend to him and anyone who threatens to leave because they don't like his calls.
This is what kill the boy is about.
He is the blueprint of what not to do for Jon when Jon goes south. Jon will hold Theon over a barrel for the Ironborn support. He will have them land west of the twins while he leads his force on the east, take the castle and kill Walder and any other Frey until he gets a compliant one as lord who will follow him no questions asked. He will not fuck about in the west, instead of sending a decoy he will march himself straight down the middle and win at trident. He will outright destroy everyone who doesn't bend to him and anyone who threatens to leave because they don't like his calls.
This is what kill the boy is about.
I don't think so, soundtrack tells me that Danny will start sailing.
SpinningBirdKick
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The cliff hanger will be the Night King fucking shit up.
His plot line needs to move forward.
His plot line needs to move forward.
Remember that Robb wasn't a king and Arya wasn't a princess at the time. He was an heir to the Warden of the North and Arya was a lady. It was also the only way that Robb could've come south in time to rescue Riverrun and capture Jaime.
Robb also didn't have the manpower to take KL because Tywin's army was in the way with as big of an army as his and Tywin preparing another army to come from the west so he had a good strategy. Hit the barely built army before it can join with Tywin, raid the Westerlands until Tywin has to come west .and then have Roose and Edmure attack from from behind as Robb attacks him from the front . It was a brilliant plan that was only foiled by Edmure's stupidity in blocking Tywin in time for him to go attack Stannis.
That's also a lot of stanning over Jon. Jon isn't coming south anyways. He'll be too busy fighting the Whjte Walkers.
Dash_Riprock
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That's not really insanity though, thats just being an asshole.
Ok he wasn't yet KITN, Arya and himself were still far too valuable to waste on the Freys. It wasn't the only way, it's the only presented way when Robb turns up outside the Twins and needs explaining from Catelyn on the situation. Jon will plan before hand, and put himself in the box Robb did. Robb did not have to lead a force to RR himself, and nor will Jon. Jon will defeat a bigger army than his own on the trident, he will not let a river stop him. And he will do better than trusting in those who would fail him. A plan which fails miserably is not a brilliant plan.
Jon coming south is as intrinsic to his arc as Dany heading west is to hers and foreshadowed in no uncertain terms. His whole arc is about accepting he's a Stark, and it will be brought to a head by rejecting he's a Targaryen, a Targaryen king in fact. He will have control of KL and the bloodline to sit the throne and reject it, instead he'll bow to it, because that's what Ned would have done, because that's what will be required to galvanise the realm to fight the Others.
I'm no Jon fan, if I'd my way Westeros would have but one neck and Stannis would be doing the cutting, but Jon coming south, triumphantly, is just clearly one of the cornerstones of his arc.
ToyMachine228
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In all fairness, had Cat not set Jaime free and had Theon not betrayed him, Robb probably still would have been fine.
It seems as though Jon will have a substantially smaller army than Robb - so his options will be limited (marching south may not even be an option). Theon, if he makes it back, will be with an invading force and out of Jon's reach. There's also the fact Jon and Sansa will want to remain in the North to fight the dead, but Baelish is now a wild card. I'm sure we'll learn a lot tonight about how things may proceed in season seven.
I'm interested in seeing where Dany makes landfall if she makes it to Westeros at all.
Dynamite Shikoku
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The brotherhood will have to do something in the last episode, right? Otherwise why not keep the hound dead until next season?
Anyone want to take bets on which characters are dying tonight, AV Club style?
Personally I'm gonna go for Kevan, Qyburn, Tommen, The High Sparrow, Lancel and Septa Unella.
Also, very, very possibly Melisandre.
Personally I'm gonna go for Kevan, Qyburn, Tommen, The High Sparrow, Lancel and Septa Unella.
Also, very, very possibly Melisandre.
kinoki
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Kevan is pretty much a given. Even though his story line as the competent ruler is absent in this season. The High Sparrow is the only real threat left so I think they're going to off him next season. Lancel is pretty much dead since he's served his part. Septa Unella will be forgotten by the screenwriters so if that's dead then she's dead too.
Dead
High Sparrow
Kevan
Lancel
Margaery
Qyburn
Septa Unella
Ser Robert Strong
Tommen
(I have a feeling Qyburn and Strong might be caught up in whatever malicious scheme Cersei is cooking up, but I italicize them because I feel it unlikely. Also Cleganebowl get hype)
Threatened/death foreshadowed for next season
Melisandre
Petyr Baelish
Ser Beric Dondarrion
A chance meeting would be my guess, like Brienne and Sandor. Cersei escapes with Strong in tow, they have to flee North - either by sea or land - and they cross paths with The Brotherhood'. That would be my guess.
Heckler456
Banned
14 including the episode tonight.
By the way, I hate AMC for starting that two half seasons to end a show shit that's now affecting every popular tv show ever.
I still see that as a negotiating tactic.
The Sopranos did it long before that.
Blue Ninja
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Maybe, but the saying "when a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin" has to come from somewhere, after all.
elrechazado
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Really? I didn't know. I thought it started with Breaking Bad.
Also, that reminds me: I still need to watch The Sopranos.
cj_iwakura
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I suspect the final shot will be snow in King's Landing as the sept burns.
The scheduling for The Sopranos was horrible. It was 16 months between the end of the 3rd season and the start of the 4th. They took 15 months off between seasons 4 and 5 and 10 months between the end of the first half of the final season and the second half.
Admiral Woofington
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Final shot will be tommen dying as a southern man sings
"in the deep dark Chambers of Kings Landing. That's the place where I knew my bloodline. You'll never leave Westeros aliiiiiive"
"in the deep dark Chambers of Kings Landing. That's the place where I knew my bloodline. You'll never leave Westeros aliiiiiive"
This show isn't as good as that one. And I love this show.
VenomousCoffee
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I had completely forgotten that one of my favorite characters became Lord Commander of the Night's Watch this season.
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