FootballFan
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In the context of the show, this would be so stupid.
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In the context of the show, this would be so stupid.
DrForester
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Then between her smiling, them both looking at each other and smiling after he's named King, her not looking concerned until she looks to Littlefinger, and her suggesting that the Lord's room be his room, I think they screwed it up if it was meant to foreshadow her betraying him.
or "How To Go Where You Told Your Murderous Father You Would Go and Influence People"
One thing that I super liked about the books but is missing from the show is the sort of magic acceleration. In the books the Pyromancers are clown-ass incompetent knuckleheads but as magic returns to the world they talk about how their old spells are suddenly working again and better than anyone can remember. Victarion's lava-arm is dumb as heck but it's a great case of conspicuous magic that comes in pretty late in the game.
I dug the idea that the Citadel has a conspiracy to destroy magic from the world, I'm hoping the book gets into that stuff. Like if the only way to beat the Others requires they also give up Valyrian steel and lava arms and resurrections and dragons. I expect the show showdown to be much more personal or character based than a more abstract rejection of magic.
I dug the idea that the Citadel has a conspiracy to destroy magic from the world, I'm hoping the book gets into that stuff. Like if the only way to beat the Others requires they also give up Valyrian steel and lava arms and resurrections and dragons. I expect the show showdown to be much more personal or character based than a more abstract rejection of magic.
There was only the one time he didn't pay attention to her though and really you have to give Ramsay credit as he was good at what he does. Jon just wasn't prepared emotionally to witness his brother toyed with and then murdered right in front of him.
Honestly, Jon's only concern now is the Walkers and the army of the dead. It doesn't seem to care about the politics. Sansa knows this so it would be dumb and selfish as hell especially given all she's been through to betray the only person who truly has her best interests at heart and wants to protect her.
WrenchNinja
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dont the actors and actresses in inside the episodes sometimes say bullshit to mess with the audience
cause if that's what they were going for with sansa, they totally failed at conveying that
links to said interviews?
Not denying you're correct just would like to read them myself. I'm not finding them but I don't know what to search for :\
And this for sure.
So in a split second Sansa went from the happiest she's ever been because Jon is now KitN to agitated because of the same reason she was happy? I mean we just got two scenes of her expressing mistrust towards Littlefinger.
Yep. I could see Littlefinger thinking he's convinced Sansa to betray Jon, but I don't see it actually happening.
So it'll probably happen then. It's just the right amount of faux drama to insert after a relatively happy outlook for the Stark family and the North.
Freshmaker
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I wonder about a conspiracy to destroy magic. Once it started failing, and once repeatable results ceased, I think the maesters just summarily wrote it off as dead and gone.
I always liked the notion of Sam going for the valaryian steel link and showing the maesters that magic actually has returned.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Yeah, bit that's why she's impossibly stupid.
That was old Sansa. Not 'lost everything which made her appreciate all she actually had' Sansa.
In like season 1 / book 1. Nothing else in her character suggests that these days. Christ she ended up being pretty close with Theon who had committed pretty grave acts against her and her family in the past even.
I don't get that impression at all.
She wants her home back, and she wishes that everything could be back the way it was. You're right.
But I think she feels that it's no longer possible for her to have any semblance of happiness, and she must turn her heart to stone and never love or trust anyone again.
To her, all of her siblings may well be dead, and Jon Snow may as well be a distant cousin or from another family entirely.
She would have loved being reunited with a male Stark: Robb. But she can't.
Littlefinger taught her that the only way to stay alive is to play this horrible little usurper's game, and she now has had a taste of it herself. It's the only thing she has ever done that actually worked, killing Ramsay. Love didn't work. Family didn't work.
FootballFan
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Yep, Sansa stabs Petyr in the back.
Marmaladefire
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Sansa is never going to catch a break for being a short sighted 11 year old for a whole book and/or season, no matter how much she suffers, how much character development she goes through, how much she learns, or how fiercely she tries to protect her family and the north.
I'm not suggesting that she can't be close to another character.
I'm certainly not saying she's the same character from season 1. I'm saying that, on a scale of "Let's start Winterfell up again guys!" and "Nothing matters anymore." she's pretty unfeeling.
She wants to be loved. But she's been hurt so many times that she will act against her own best interests to do what she feels will prevent her from getting hurt again.
AlphaDragoon
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Like I said last episode, I'm going to really salty if they try to pull some "Sansa vs. Jon" horseshit in the show. Especially with the flip-flopping of showing good sister Sansa who says good sister things like "I'm not a Stark/You are to me" and wanted Jon to have their parents' room.
I hope it'll just be a "Petyr tries to convert her fully to his side and she might sway a bit but ultimately sides with what is to her knowledge her only living brother and screws Petyr over" scenario.
I hope it'll just be a "Petyr tries to convert her fully to his side and she might sway a bit but ultimately sides with what is to her knowledge her only living brother and screws Petyr over" scenario.
KeyBladerXIII
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Just saw it, I know most are cheering that Tommen died because he was annoying and easily manipulated, but his death freaked me out the most. Suicide by jumping is super unnerving and the way it was just quiet as a young boy decided to end it. Gave me shivers.
Also, justice for Mace Tyrell, he was a lovable blowhard!
Also, justice for Mace Tyrell, he was a lovable blowhard!
Tommen's actor is a grown man.
Steelyuhas
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The held shot on the open window as he walked out of frame and back in was pretty chilling.
The character isn't, and the actor would either have been about to turn or just turned 18 when it was filmed.
I know. Suicide is a terrible thing. I'm just saying that in the context of the book to show adaptation, they didn't have a 6 year old commit suicide.
You're right though. It's a terrible thing for anyone to have to portray.
Honestly, I think season 7 will still mostly be inter-human war, and the walkers won't really hit in force until the end of season 7/start of 8. There's still a good amount of time to fill, and something has to happen up north.
It's also a liiiiittle weird that this is the second season in a row where in the finale they turn to a character who has outlived their usefulness killing themselves after witnessing the horror of one of the season's climactic moments. Selyse last time around and now Tommen.
Mark my words. This is how it will go down.
Jon wants all the northern houses to fight the wights.. They're pledged and ready to go.
Littlefinger feels that the Targaryen threat from the east is of much greater concern.
That's what they'll fight over. Watch.
And ultimately of course, Dany and Jon are best buds.
Jon wants all the northern houses to fight the wights.. They're pledged and ready to go.
Littlefinger feels that the Targaryen threat from the east is of much greater concern.
That's what they'll fight over. Watch.
And ultimately of course, Dany and Jon are best buds.
Elia could not bare any more children and the dragon needs three heads...
Pretty sure something like this mentioned in the House of the undying, maybe I'm confused with books/show
Freshmaker
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If she opts to kill Jon out of jealousy, she hasn't grown at all as a character.
I don't think it's that. It's the freshly planted idea that once again, some bastard is trying to steal away her birthright.
Freshmaker
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So petty jealousy. Rah. Completely different from her wanting to marry a psychopath just so she'll be queen.
harriet the spy
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Your best acting list is critically missing Natalie Dormer. Beyond just being a pretty face (like the dreadful sand snakes), she brought great presence in every scene she was in, not least of all her excellent delivery of her last line, when she shuts up the last sparrow with her 'forget about the bloody gods and listen to what I am telling you'.
Didn't think Meera was anything special. Loras barely appeared? (Good in his last scene)
Also given the average kid's acting prowess, I am tempted to put Bella at a much higher spot.
Those weren't in any specific order. Sorry. I should have mentioned that. I thought Meera was great in her role, leading Bran around and really suffering through her burden.
I guess I liked Loras this season so much because he got to show some acting instead of just having sex with men all the time and dueling.
I'm not really a huge fan of Natalie Dormer's acting, so that's my fault for having a bias against the actress.
fingers crossed this is just misleading the viewers...
Sansa watching over Jon would be so much better and would work really well considering Jon's lack of political and back stabbing knowledge/skills.
She'd be the silent protector.
In a big, sweeping story like this there is only so much room at the endgame table for major characters.
Either Sansa or Arya or both have to die.
And you're probably posting "and why the hell is that?" right about now. It's because this show isn't about the Starks anymore. It's about something bigger now.
Either Sansa or Arya or both have to die.
And you're probably posting "and why the hell is that?" right about now. It's because this show isn't about the Starks anymore. It's about something bigger now.
Eeeeeh. The six main characters have always been Bran, Arya, Sansa, Tyrion,Daenerys and Jon Snow.
In fact as we get toward the endgame the more important the Stark kids themselves are becoming.
harriet the spy
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Sacrilege! I thought she was excellent, getting better with the seasons (I hear she was kind of not great in the Tudors, but I haven't seen that).
I don't think you're right about that.
Use these events as a guide.
The war for the Dawn, the rebuilding of the seven kingdoms, the conflict with Danerys Targaryen.
How would Arya fit into something like that?
Originally there was intended to be a love triangle with Arya at the center.
But I think plans have significantly shifted since then
MagicWithEarvin
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I think Arya, Sansa and Bran will bite it next season. Jon will stay alive cause he has to marry his Aunt to unify the Seven Kingdoms
Danny said she needed to form an alliance through marriage. Likely candidates off the top of my head are Jon, Petyr (her advisors wouldn't trust him), King of the iron islands ( unlikely due to her alliance with Yara ), and Jaime. Can't think of any other eligible bachelors with the influence that she'd desire. Pretty much the only choice that makes sense is Jon even if he is her half brother. Fire and ice thematically as the books are titled.
Robert Arryn?
Can we throw her dragons through the moon door?
Forgot about him. He could work too, but he seems more likely a target for Sansa to marry to fuck over Petyr.
PHOENIXZERO
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Given Dorne's cultural openness Rhaegar banging Lyanna probably wasn't a big deal to Elia, especially since she couldn't safely have another kid. The political issues though might've been more of one.
Yeaaaah, I've seen similar comments elsewhere and as predicted beholders of tinfoil and flatout wrong theories are still holding on hope just because Rhaegar wasn't flat out mentioned. Including comments on how just because R+L=J in the show it doesn't mean it will in the books. The denial is still strong.
*Nephew so they're related closer but for sibiling banging Targs it's not a big deal Jon might have a hangup about it though.
Yeaaaah, I've seen similar comments elsewhere and as predicted beholders of tinfoil and flatout wrong theories are still holding on hope just because Rhaegar wasn't flat out mentioned. Including comments on how just because R+L=J in the show it doesn't mean it will in the books. The denial is still strong.
*Nephew so they're related closer but for sibiling banging Targs it's not a big deal Jon might have a hangup about it though.
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