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[Faddy]

Oh word I totally forgot about that scene. Sort of highlights the reason the whole Dornish thing is a mess. The fact that other houses simply exist doesn't really give us anything to go on re their interests, motivations, stances on Doran as a leader, ambitions, etc. But I'm really not interested in the show digging into Dornish rivalry politics given how much it's elided of the more interesting, say, Northern rivalry politics. They're definitely hitting a weird "uncanny valley" here where the non-lead-character Houses are too poorly drawn to be interesting, but still present enough that their absence gets conspicuous. Like what in the fuck have the rest of Robb's army been doing since the Red Wedding? The Bolton plan to consolidate power by marrying Sansa was always thin because we never saw tension between Bolton and Karstark or Umber or whatever.

The show politics in general have been very bilateral in nature. Even when Stannis was at war with everyone, he was only really engaged with one enemy at a time. Littlefinger, instead of playing a web of allegiances with Lords Declarant that have internal rivalries, only really dealt with The Vale as a body.

I think they have shown that Doran is a recluse and has isolated himself from the rest of Dorne so while it is strange there are no other lords present it is kind of explainable. What happens next in Dorne is going to require some sort of action outside The Water Gardens (or what was the point?)

Will we even see that though or will Ellaria abandon Dorne and take up a Quentyn trip to Meereen to bring Dany to Westeros. Her meeting with Tyrion would be interesting. Tyene could go to Old Town and the other two could continue their terrorising of KL which would put the story back onto the book path (obviously without Arianne and FAegon) In the books I think Doran is going to die in the most shocking way possible.... old age.

They showed what happened to Robb's army, his banner men were killed at the twins and the men scattered.

 

[suzu]

Since Dorne is sucha mess, I hope they don't show anymore Dorne-related stuff until like... their army is at the doorstep of King's Landing or the Reach or wherever. lol

 

[Iksenpets]

I am really hoping against all hope that they don't have the Sand Snakes kill Tommen. Please have the Mountain kill the Sand Snakes.

Just you wait until they kill Tommen AND the Mountain. I'm not even 100% sure I'm joking. I don't see what other purpose this plot could serve, especially now that they teleported two of them to KL.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Just you wait until they kill Tommen AND the Mountain. I'm not even 100% sure I'm joking. I don't see what other purpose this plot could serve, especially now that they teleported two of them to KL.

Why would Tommen die? Cercei already had three children die in the show.

 

[Faddy]

Just you wait until they kill Tommen AND the Mountain. I'm not even 100% sure I'm joking. I don't see what other purpose this plot could serve, especially now that they teleported two of them to KL.

There are two of them in KL in the books.

 

[Atraveller]

They were on Jaime's ship, which was anchored in King's Landing. This is according to the official GoT website. Apparently Trystane was still on board due to "grief".

This does not make sense at all.

 

[Apt101]

Can someone with skills please GIF me Brienne killing that guy with the text "Seven blessings motherfuckers". I need this for something.

 

[gspec]

Why would Tommen die? Cercei already had three children die in the show.

Because her unborn child was baratheon which has black hair. The prophecy was that the three childs with golden crowns (golden hair) will die.

 

[Brakke]

Because her unborn child was baratheon which has black hair. The prophecy was that the three childs with golden crowns (golden hair) will die.

Yep. Tommen's fucked:

Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds​

 

[bishopcruz]

This does not make sense at all.

That's the motto of Game of Thrones since season 5.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Because her unborn child was baratheon which has black hair. The prophecy was that the three childs with golden crowns (golden hair) will die.

Ah, good call. I'm curious to see who takes the Iron Throne when Tommen dies. In the books, my guess is Aegon. But I have no idea in the show.

 

[Apt101]

This does not make sense at all.

Wait they were in King's Landing?

I don't even anymore. Not even.

 

[Speevy]

Wait they were in King's Landing?

I don't even anymore. Not even.

 

[Faddy]

Wait they were in King's Landing?

I don't even anymore. Not even.

Time is strange in the episode, but yes the two sand snakes followed Trystane to KL, boarded his ship and killed him.

IMO scenes that take place almost immediately after season 5 scenes end.

1. Castle Black, obviously Jon Snow is still lying there
2. Tyrion and Varys walk the streets of Meereen, they are dressed exactly the same
3. Sansa and Theon running through the woods from Winterfell
4. Ellaria and Tyene killing Doran, Hotah and maester dude.

Scene taking place some days later
1. Cersei and Jaime, he had to sail from Dorne
2. Arya, she has acquired some begging stuff
3. Jorah and Daario, had to ride to the plains
4. Dany had to walk to Khal Moro's camp
5. Trystane's death. he is waiting on the ship to attend the funeral

Unknown
1. Margaery and the High Sparrow

Events in the show have never been concurrent. Cutting from one scene to another does not mean it is happening at the same time. The last universal check point we got was the Red Comet.

This kind of ordering of scenes shouldn't be a surprise. George specifically mentions it in the preface to ASoS and it is clear that we hear the reaction to some events before they happen in a POV

 

[Atraveller]

Why does anyone need shadow demon when Sand Snakes could teleport all over the place? If Stannis hired them his daughter could be alive today.

 

[Speevy]

Why does anyone need shadow demon when Sand Snakes could teleport all over the place? If Stannis hired them his daughter could be alive today.

If one of Oberyn's daughters followed the Lord of Light, would she be considered a Sand Witch?

 

[Apt101]

I get that time is often an almost subjective thing in script writing these days, but geez, at least give the viewer a hint of where and when. Like a lil' bit.

 

[Speevy]

I get that time is often an almost subjective thing in script writing these days, but geez, at least give the viewer a hint of where and when. Like a lil' bit.

In Dorne, everything is more laid back. People drink a little wine, seek some revenge, kick back and need the bad pussy.

In the north, Riverlands, and Storm's End, characters take months to travel anywhere if they have an army. If they have a sidekick, it takes days. If they are Littlefinger, it takes minutes.

In King's Landing things happen when either Lannisters die, or ravens bring news of rebellion. Otherwise everyone just sits there and waits for either of those two things to occur.

 

[CLEEK]

I'm still hoping that Jon is somehow a Targaryen with Daenerys' unburnt powers. Maybe when they make a pyre for him, he doesn't burn and the Red Woman takes that as a sign that the Lord of Light wants him to be brought back.

If all Targaryen's have the fire resistance of Dany, the Night's Watch / audience would have found this out when Aemon carked it and was burnt on a pyre last season.

 

[jdstorm]

Why would Tommen die? Cercei already had three children die in the show.

The first was a miscarriage so it doesn't count

 

[WrenchNinja]

Sand snakes versud twenty good men is a fight I want to see

 

[Saya]

I just wonder if we'll see the two Sand Snakes who killed Trystane back in Dorne in the next episode. That would be hilarious.

I wonder why these two badass master assassins didn't just try to kill Jaime on the ship.

 

[Speevy]

I just wonder if we'll see the two Sand Snakes who killed Trystane back in Dorne in the next episode. That would be hilarious.

I wonder why these two badass master assassins didn't just try to kill Jaime on the ship.

I guarantee D and D had a conversation that went like "People hated Dorne. I think the reason was that the Sand Snakes didn't kill anyone important. Let's show the audience that they can kill someone."

 

[Apt101]

In Dorne, everything is more laid back. People drink a little wine, seek some revenge, kick back and need the bad pussy.

In the north, Riverlands, and Storm's End, characters take months to travel anywhere if they have an army. If they have a sidekick, it takes days. If they are Littlefinger, it takes minutes.

In King's Landing things happen when either Lannisters die, or ravens bring news of rebellion. Otherwise everyone just sits there and waits for either of those two things to occur.

Hah. I love you.

 

[Saya]

HBO apparently released a prop from episode 1 of season 6, the letter that Jaime send to Doran.

 

[Gigglepoo]

HBO apparently released a prop from episode 1 of season 6, the letter that Jaime send to Doran.

I don't understand why they wouldn't hold Tristain hostage. Even the props don't make sense!

 

[mercenar1e]

They were on Jaime's ship, which was anchored in King's Landing. This is according to the official GoT website. Apparently Trystane was still on board due to "grief".

anchored in Kings Landing, Cersei doesn't demand a trial or confronts him and the Kings Guard isn't guarding the boat? it doesn't make sense.

 

[mantidor]

Do you guys think

Spoiler

Jon 2.0 will first meet Sansa before or during the battle of the bastards?

From trailer analysis

Spoiler

Sansa seems to be with Davos in Bear Island, so either Davos abandons Jon (not likely imo), or they do meet before the final battle. Edit: actually Jon gathering the wildings while he sends Davos to gather the northern houses does make sense, and they are going to hold a Stark reunion as much as possible to make us stick with their show, so yeah... probably is only after the battle.

 

[Ithil]

HBO apparently released a prop from episode 1 of season 6, the letter that Jaime send to Doran.

Neices [sic].

 

[Iksenpets]

Neices [sic].

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that's a super obscure throwback to Tywin telling Arya about Jaime being dyslexic back in season 2.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

HBO apparently released a prop from episode 1 of season 6, the letter that Jaime send to Doran.

Jaime has pretty good handwriting with his off hand.

 

[mantidor]

Ok with how bad Dorne was something equally as bad has not been discussed, and that is Margaery, how can they keep her locked again? what do they want her to confess? this is one change from the books that is absolutely abysmal, and even in the books with far more serious charges she is left with Tarly because the evidence is so filmsy, while in the show is just...aaargh.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Jaime has pretty good handwriting with his off hand.

Probably dictated. I wish they had stretched it out a little more with machinations and him being aware that he was about to be betrayed, and him and Hotah planning countermeasures, but that's too much to hope for, I suppose.

 

[Frank the Great]

Just thought of a new Jon theory, although I'm sure this idea has been kicked around.

Bran sees the Tower of Joy scene through tree.net, and realizes how important Jon is to the future of the kingdom. Around the same time, Jon is resurrected as a wight back at Castle Black. Bran force wargs into Jon, living out his days through Jon's body and becoming the hero, the prince who was promised or azor ahai or whatever.

This way, Kit wasn't lying when he said unequivocally that Jon is truly dead. The Hodor possession scene was a foreshadow of this. And now Bran can fly on the back of a dragon--wasn't there a prophecy about that?

 

[Lothar]

I don't understand why they wouldn't hold Tristain hostage. Even the props don't make sense!

He's also awfully polite and calm about his daughter being killed. And trusting. I'm glad that didn't make it into the show. That would have been worse.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Bran force wargs into Jon, living out his days through Jon's body and becoming the hero, the prince who was promised or azor ahai or whatever.

And then Jon will know everything.

 

[Patriots7]

D&D are going to kill Shaggydog, aren't they?
I'm going to feel that more than them killing Rickon.

 

[Timbuktu]

I think they have shown that Doran is a recluse and has isolated himself from the rest of Dorne so while it is strange there are no other lords present it is kind of explainable. What happens next in Dorne is going to require some sort of action outside The Water Gardens (or what was the point?)

Will we even see that though or will Ellaria abandon Dorne and take up a Quentyn trip to Meereen to bring Dany to Westeros. Her meeting with Tyrion would be interesting. Tyene could go to Old Town and the other two could continue their terrorising of KL which would put the story back onto the book path (obviously without Arianne and FAegon) In the books I think Doran is going to die in the most shocking way possible.... old age.

They showed what happened to Robb's army, his banner men were killed at the twins and the men scattered.

D&D probably killed off Doran because they could merge Ellaria and the Snakes with the Kings Landing or Dany story thread relatively quickly and don't have to shoot at yet another location anymore.

 

[CassSept]

They were on Jaime's ship, which was anchored in King's Landing. This is according to the official GoT website. Apparently Trystane was still on board due to "grief".

Ummmm......

Ok.

Well, I guess they are pretty fast swimmers?

 

[Moff]

trystane was on the same ship as myrcella and jaime? was that shown? I don't remember that.

 

[Brakke]

Ok with how bad Dorne was something equally as bad has not been discussed, and that is Margaery, how can they keep her locked again? what do they want her to confess? this is one change from the books that is absolutely abysmal, and even in the books with far more serious charges she is left with Tarly because the evidence is so filmsy, while in the show is just...aaargh.

Because Tarly isn't a distinct thing in the show. There's The Crown and then there's the Faith Militant, they're the only powers in King's Landing. The only way to bring Marg out is for Tommen to command his forces to do so. If Tommen isn't flexing, and there is no other power, why would the High Sparrow make concessions to the flimsiness of the evidence?

 

[axb2013]

At this point, I just hope my favorite character doesn't get screwed by this mess.

Mess isn't a pit. Mess is a ladder.

 

[Kain]

OK, watched it (I'll read your impressions later, I have a lot to catch up on xD)

- Liked the beginning, Davos is one of the best characters and Liam is one of the best actors in the show, period.

- Melisandre is useless (but Carice is hot)

- Dorne was, is and will continue to be a mess, I can't understand how badly D&D are treating this material. Holy shit Ellaria is bad and the SS are obnoxious and of course Doran was completely wasted, just like Mance. I'm a little relieved because I can't believe George will take this stupid route in his books, so I have hopes D&D are just inventing stuff and now we can safely say books =! show. I really hope that, otherwise, fuck everything. Good god Dorne is bad. I mean, it's like the exact opposite of what happened in AFFC and ADWD. Also lol Hotah. And Trystanentin the loser. Dorne is REALLY bad. And it's fucking Sunspear, not Dorne. Ugh.

- Jaime and Cersei did literally nothing

- "This is good meat, feed her to the hounds". Oh, Ramsay you rascal. That was fun.

- Oh look, Brienne teleporting again and appearing where she has no business! Again!

- Melisandre is useless (but Carice is like super hot)

- I don't care about Arya in the least. I understand this is character developement, but I really don't care about her training. I want her to start killing dudes already.

- Jonathan Pryce is such a good actor too. Also fuck Marge, I hate her in the show. That is good, btw, because in the books she is little more than a plot device for Cersei to go crazy and see conspiracies everywhere. I like that she has more protagonism in the show and that she is like a brunette, younger and probably smarter version of Cersei.

- Melisandre is use... oh look, she is an old hag. I actually suspected she was zombie-like in truth, like, she was young but rotting, ugly or something (because we can all agree she has been revived at least oncee for sure). Anyway this is an old theory and it's been confirmed. This gives me fear again that the show is more or less faithful to the future books, but I'm thinking some of the stuff will be true, some of it won't.

- And there was Dany there, somewhere. Don't care about her in the least, Emillia is acting worse and worse as time passes, good lord.

- Tyrion, Jorah and co did nothing too. OK.

I think the showrunners are stretching things a bit too much because half of the episode was shocking deaths and revelations and half was nothing. Weren't they set on finishing soon? What is all this nothing then?

 

[bitbydeath]

trystane was on the same ship as myrcella and jaime? was that shown? I don't remember that.

Wasn't shown AFAIK. I think he was still at Dorne when killed.

 

[Moff]

Wasn't shown AFAIK. I think he was still at Dorne when killed.

no he was definitely in kings landing on a ship.
I just assumed it was a second ship that sailed later.

 

[Pyramid head]

Wasn't shown AFAIK. I think he was still at Dorne when killed.

The establishing shot of the ship exterior before cutting to Trystane clearly shows it anchored off Kings Landing.

 

[Jacob]

no he was definitely in kings landing on a ship.
I just assumed it was a second ship that sailed later.

Guys, Trystane gets on the ship with Jaime and Myrcella in S5E10. Also, the establishing shot of the ship before Trys gets murked is the same ship as in the establishing shot when Jaime arrives with Myrcella's corpse. I don't know why Trystane was left sitting around on the ship for however long, but that's what happened.

 

[John Dunbar]

how awful do you people think the explanation why the sand snakes won't be executed in king's landing be?

 

[NeoGiff]

If the Water Gardens scene takes place immediately after season 5, then Tyene's hair grows extraordinarily fast. Maybe that's why her pussy is bad.

 

[bitbydeath]

The establishing shot of the ship exterior before cutting to Trystane clearly shows it anchored off Kings Landing.

Yea, just re-watched. Makes no sense.