Steelyuhas
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You'd have to ask George, it's something he apparently planned nearly 20 years ago.
The plot insight to it is a possible release from his Night's Watch Vow.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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You'd have to ask George, it's something he apparently planned nearly 20 years ago.
The plot insight to it is a possible release from his Night's Watch Vow.
I just wanted to come in here and rant... I'm getting so sick of spoilers on the internet.
I was surfing on the internet and on telegraph.com they were spoiling one of the things happening in this episode. Like WTF? Tonights episode hasn't even come out yet
and newspapers are already dropping spoilers.
I guess I will be forced to go on total media blackdown on sundays going forward
I was surfing on the internet and on telegraph.com they were spoiling one of the things happening in this episode. Like WTF? Tonights episode hasn't even come out yet
and newspapers are already dropping spoilers.
I guess I will be forced to go on total media blackdown on sundays going forward
You're forgetting that he's a warg. His resurrection was always going to be him transferring his full consciousness to Ghost and then transferring from Ghost to his resurrected body before he loses himself inside Ghost. Skinchangers/wargs have a Second Life cheat code that other characters don't have. Their full memories and consciousness can live on in animals for a time before they start degrading.
And that goes to say that Jon will be changed. He will never forget his death and the scars will probably still be there.
Dash_Riprock
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That Jon is Bran's puppet theory is one of the stupidest fan theory's I've ever read.
Except she isn't.
Her entire family's dead (as far as she knows). In her mind she has nothing to live for but vengeance. The entire book series gives us hunts as to what was lying underneath the surface and what would happen if she snapped.
Except she isn't.
Her entire family's dead (as far as she knows). In her mind she has nothing to live for but vengeance. The entire book series gives us hunts as to what was lying underneath the surface and what would happen if she snapped.
I just wanted to come in here and rant... I'm getting so sick of spoilers on the internet.
I was surfing on the internet and on telegraph.com they were spoiling one of the things happening in this episode. Like WTF? Tonights episode hasn't even come out yet
and newspapers are already dropping spoilers.
I guess I will be forced to go on total media blackdown on sundays going forward
Just avoid trash news sites.
Everything in here is at best an educated guess so I just stick here.
Cornballer
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Hey folks, for future reference, discussion of leaks like this are no go in the thread. Particularly when it's a specific breakdown of most plot points from an upcoming episode. There are plenty of other places on the internet where you can dig into discussion on this sort of thing. As always, if you have questions or comments, please send me a PM. Thanks.
If she wasn't actually murdered and was instead just left for dead do you think she would be the Cat of old or would she be like LSH? The experience she suffered right before her death is what made her LSH.
Tyrion Targaryen was always a dumb idea. The Tyrion-Tywin relationship is so good if Tyrion's his son. People just want Tyrion to ride a dragon because they like him, but Tyrion's story is about influence, not power. He doesn't belong on a dragon.
I can see Jaime and Cersei are Targaryens. They actually make sense dramatically. The gods flipped a coin and made one mad and one noble. The incest thing is a Targaryen kind of move, they even use that precedent to justify their relationship. Plus Tywin deserves to have been wrong about Jaime his whole life.
If that was his intent he's done a pretty poor job of executing on it. It's just as reasonable to read Dondarion as having changed because he's fighting a guerilla war against savage motherfuckers. Likewise Catelyn. Makes sense for LSH to be different than Catelyn because LSH saw her heir betrayed and murdered in front of her. Catelyn is done being Catelyn *before* she's even murdered. I always figured any hardening of hearts, so to speak, those two experienced made sense from the perspective of the events they've experienced after dying as much as from the process of resurrection.
I can see Jaime and Cersei are Targaryens. They actually make sense dramatically. The gods flipped a coin and made one mad and one noble. The incest thing is a Targaryen kind of move, they even use that precedent to justify their relationship. Plus Tywin deserves to have been wrong about Jaime his whole life.
If that was his intent he's done a pretty poor job of executing on it. It's just as reasonable to read Dondarion as having changed because he's fighting a guerilla war against savage motherfuckers. Likewise Catelyn. Makes sense for LSH to be different than Catelyn because LSH saw her heir betrayed and murdered in front of her. Catelyn is done being Catelyn *before* she's even murdered. I always figured any hardening of hearts, so to speak, those two experienced made sense from the perspective of the events they've experienced after dying as much as from the process of resurrection.
But Beric...? I feel like we're going in circles. Martin has definitively said that LSH and Beric are different from their former selves. Therefore, it makes sense that Jon issuing to be different as well or there wouldn't be a narrative reason to kill him. Killing him to get him out of his vows is overkill (zing!) and would be a really weak reason to do something so dramatic.
Got older and waged a nasty war against a baby-murdering rapist monster called the Mountain.
Did you miss Martin's quote? He's changed. From dying.
The only difference is his loss of memories.
Catelynn lost her mind right before she was murdered, and the trauma of being murdered and coming back IS a factor, but I don't think she's a different person. The description of Berric Dondarrion being the flamboyant knight of spring before the huge war and becoming the man he is now is kind of a standard war trope, with his constant traumatic deaths just adding to it. I'm of course not saying Martin is wrong, but I feel like it's presented this way.
I never got the impression that it was the magic of resurrection that changed them.
More so the memory of their death, the repeated deaths following the first, coming back to life after experiencing a bloody and excruciating death etc.
I suspect Jon just comes back even harder than before.
That's why we know he'll be perfectly fine, because it hasn't happened to other people.
Dash_Riprock
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What an author intends and what is actually presented can be two very different things.
Yep. Not to mention the fact that getting killed requires experiencing (and probably inflecting) some intense violence with a hated foe. Dondarion's hardening can be as much regular-ass PTSD as magic.
Beric has no memory of his past and had a completely different personality. There's no doubt that he's changed. George cleared up that the reason was resurrection, not war. Though that should be clear considering no other characters have forgotten their past and have completely different personalities.
PTSD doesn't make you forget your past.
Dash_Riprock
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Um, yes it does. Thats one of the MAIN symptoms.
Really? Oops, my mistake. Either way, Beric isn't suffering from PTSD.
Darryl M R
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Please bring him back to life. . please.
cartoon_soldier
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Dash_Riprock
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-Pyromaniac-
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at what point does this body start rotting/decomposing lol
cartoon_soldier
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Pretty fucking cold at the Wall ain't it?
Jon is going to be very smelly when he finally gets brought back to life ;-)
Darryl M R
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Also I'm watching on HBO Now. God the minute + add at the start is so lame, I pay how much for this service again? Start my show.
-Pyromaniac-
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Previously on game of thrones....bran didn't look 25.
cartoon_soldier
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Also I'm watching on HBO Now. God the minute + add at the start is so lame, I pay how much for this service again? Start my show.
You can fast forward...I just did it.
Dash_Riprock
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Puberty hit that kid like a bag of bricks. Same with Ollie.
Feel bad for Hodor having to carry that 30 year old man around on his back.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Is HBO Go always this bad on Thrones nights?
Dash_Riprock
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LMFAO even the forest elf is older too. WTF
petethepanda
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We von Sydow now, fam
bodyofanamerican
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Wow. There she is. Actress reminds me of Sophie Turner, facially.
-Pyromaniac-
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Pretty damn cool.
Darryl M R
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Will there be an explanation for his growth between season?
bodyofanamerican
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I'm glad they got Von Sydow, but the character still looks like an old man stuck in a hedge.
cartoon_soldier
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Winter is definitely coming
petethepanda
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Guessing the tree internet sucks out a bit of life, or something.
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