LegendofJoe
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Fake Arya escaped with Theon. Ramsay sent the pink letter to Jon demanding he return his bride and his Reek.
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Fake Arya escaped with Theon. Ramsay sent the pink letter to Jon demanding he return his bride and his Reek.
A bit of an aside, but just one thing I think the show has done very well:
Game of Thrones is an amazing show that gives as an insight into a fantastical world through the lens of our own historical eras. It has amazingly deep and fleshed out characters, with their own beliefs, wants, fears and political standpoints that really belong in that world. However, it also has a character that can ground us. Someone that represents the viewer in that world, someone who's shoes we can put ourselves into. They are a bit rebellious, but also cares what their parentage thinks of them. They look after their pets, ensuring they are well fed. They have had a rough childhood but have endured it, and while succeeding haven't reached unimaginable heights either. They take the actions, we the viewer, would take in their position. Keeping audiences across the globe in sync, united behind this character. Let's raise a glass to him.
Ramsay Snow, the true everyman of Westeros.
Game of Thrones is an amazing show that gives as an insight into a fantastical world through the lens of our own historical eras. It has amazingly deep and fleshed out characters, with their own beliefs, wants, fears and political standpoints that really belong in that world. However, it also has a character that can ground us. Someone that represents the viewer in that world, someone who's shoes we can put ourselves into. They are a bit rebellious, but also cares what their parentage thinks of them. They look after their pets, ensuring they are well fed. They have had a rough childhood but have endured it, and while succeeding haven't reached unimaginable heights either. They take the actions, we the viewer, would take in their position. Keeping audiences across the globe in sync, united behind this character. Let's raise a glass to him.
Ramsay Snow, the true everyman of Westeros.
hendersonhank
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Thoros brought Beric back without, iirc, doing any particular "magic" ritual or anything (unlike Melisandre in the show with Jon). Why would Beric have come back to life if there were no Red God, given the fact that no "spell" was cast to explain it away with generic magic?
Cornballer
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Good point about Mel. I also didn't think about Quaithe with respect to Jorah's fate.
Heh.
Some say land is a myth. I've seen it.
Dany at the Wall, from the House of the Undying?
I'm not sure I understand the point you are making here. On the other hand, why did you put "evidence" in quotes? Is there anything to the contrary of that evidence? The fact that you imply doubt on the evidence makes my point. If evidence doesn't constitute proof, then what does?
On another note, I thought the Jon revival was lame. I think it would have been cool if they put his body on the pyre and after the flames went out, his body wasn't burnt and Mel's prayers during the ceremony revived him. It would be a callback to Dany's rebirth with the dragons where Jon is being reborn as a dragon.
One prophesy that hasn't been resolved on the show is from the Ghost of Highheart(?)'s dream of a girl killing a giant in the snow (I'm butchering it I know) or something like that.
But Thoros always did the same thing to bring Beric back? How do you not know it was just those sequence of actions that did it? He prayed to the Lord of Light to do it, yes. But did he test the actions that he took? Did he trying saying other names, praying to other gods to see if the same effect was achieved? Theon also heard a weirwood whisper to him when he prayed to the Old Gods, we know now that it was Bran that was responsible for that, but without that knowledge you could make the same argument, that the Old Gods really exist.
Cornballer
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- After the Thrones Ep 2 is up (HBOGo link, also available on demand and on HBO Now)
Good one. That sequence has the burnt up Red Keep in the snow, as well.
LegendofJoe
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I suppose I should go ahead and make peace with Ramsay capturing Rickon. It doesn't make any sense from a logical storytelling standpoint, but the show has never been overly concerned with logical consistency.
grandjedi6
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I think she just saw the wall, not that she would go there. But that same scene has the Kings Landing destroyed and covered in snow, which is interesting.
Of course that scene was created by magic to trick Dany and involved alternate universe stuff like Khal Drogo being alive so I'm not sure any of it will ever happen.
hendersonhank
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I think it's safe to say that other would-be wizards and other priests of other faiths have, at some time, prayed to resurrect somebody. But only those praying to the Red God have apparently been successful.
The reason I put evidence in quotes is because it is evidence for something else in the world: magic. None of that evidence shows that the Lord of Light exists. How would you prove it? Difficult as we don't actually know what the Lord of Light is meant to be capable of or what distinguishes it from other gods or what claims their holy texts make. But test those and see if they hold up under scrutiny.
Also, even in the real world, you can never prove something to be true (except for in mathematics), all you can do is make a hypothesis and test it until it fails. The more tests it passes the more truth is shown to be within it, but if it fails any test it can't be true as it just failed a test. All I'm trying to say is that within the fictional world, is that while there is plenty of evidence to suggest a Lord of Light exists from the perspective from certain characters, as a reader/watcher, we have also seen similar evidence for plenty of other deities which leaves things ambiguous.
Good point.
Cornballer
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- Making Game of Thrones notes that "The Game Revealed" is up for streaming on HBO Now
Not sure if that will be available elsewhere. It includes commentary on Jon's resurrection, production background on Wun Wun, creating the storm at Pyke, VFX on the dragons, etc...
Not sure if that will be available elsewhere. It includes commentary on Jon's resurrection, production background on Wun Wun, creating the storm at Pyke, VFX on the dragons, etc...
grandjedi6
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The only prophecies the show has focused on and came true were Maggy's and Bran's. Actually, Bran is one dragon invasion of Westeros away from having a 100% accuracy. He's like the anti-Mal.
Dusk Soldier
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I think it's more likely that things won't be resolved when shit suddenly hits the fans, forcing everyone to band together.
Then after the white walkers are defeated they'll all have learned the importance of working together (+ a few convenient deaths), leaving them in a strong position to bring an age of peace.
cartoon_soldier
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In the same boat. On the other hand Ramsay defeating Stannis may cause the Northern lords to fall in line?
Still hoping for fRickon
So now Jon has to deal with, members of the nights watch that hate him and want him dead for good, Ramsey and the real threat the white walkers.
And another things HBO seriously needs to stop spoilling their own episodes by giving us flashbacks before the show starts. I know they are trying to catch people up who may or may not remember
And another things HBO seriously needs to stop spoilling their own episodes by giving us flashbacks before the show starts. I know they are trying to catch people up who may or may not remember
cartoon_soldier
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Should have stayed dead, that's a tall order to fill tbh.
Poor Jon has his work cut out for him. Honestly sort of dreading what Ramsay is going to say to Jon. I have no doubt he's gonna pull some awful shit about his sister so D&D can hammer in the point of just how villainous he is. I think it's too much but whatever, it'll be entertaining to see him bleed.
That sounds like too happy an ending for this show. It just feels that the end would be something bittersweet. There would be hardly anything left to rule in Westerns after all is said and done.
You are right about testing evidence, but how do you test a miracle? I'm not sure if it's mentioned on the show, but Thoros mentions that he said the prayer prior to Beric and it didn't work. That suggests, to me at least, that miracle magic may be at the whim of a god. It's not proof, but I think it's strong evidence.
I don't get the hate for the way Ramsey is portrayed, the guy comes form a long line of guys that thought it was normal to cut the skin off their enemies bit by bit.
We have seen people murdered in so many ways on the show yet people are still offended, maybe I'm desensitized to the show's violence at this point.
I wouldn't bother trying to reconcile shit at this point. If a character dies on the show it means their story doesn't come to any meaningful resolution and/or they also die in the books. That's how I am approaching it anyways.
LegendofJoe
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Agreed, if the Umbers have Rickon though why in the world would they give him to Ramsay? That's my problem with it. Rickon is their meal ticket to controlling the North, why give that away?
Agreed, granted the show can never be as rich as the books its just not possible given budget/time constraints I merely think of the show as cutting to the major plot points much like a wiki summary would.
Or D&D are going in a different direction. We have no idea. I consider the two separate entities.
The banding together will happen, Jon and the northern nobility and the Wildlings, and Dany and the southern lords.
biosnake20
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Don't see it on HBO GO.
Cornballer
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Yeah, I wanted to watch it, but they don't have it on HBO Go.
PHOENIXZERO
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Better yet, kill him again and throw his body off the wall.
Moff
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only 5 days left, brothers, get hype!
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Nah, Ramsay's going to kill him with a single crossbow bolt.
fallengorn
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His dogs are going to tie him up like snowspeeders on an AT-AT.
hendersonhank
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Why do people seem to think the Tower of Joy scene will show the fight? Why won't it just leave off where it does in the book, i.e., we don't see the fight, we don't see what Howland Reed does, etc?
Damerman
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Another bad pussy joke, awesome.
Because we've seen parts of the fight and what Howland Reed does.
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Cornballer
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This is pretty silly. From EW's continuing coverage of Snow:
Last Hearth
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This was a much better episode than episode 1, but the criticism of the events being "unearned" is exactly right. They are unearned. The events don't happen because of a carefully laid out path of events and consequences, instead they happen because the plot required them to happen so all logic and personal motivations are handwaved away.
Jon's resurrection is the prime example of this, it feels cheap because it is cheap. Not a single person in that room should have the reason to even try to revive him, either because they shouldn't believe such a thing is possible, or because they have no reason to be committed enough to Jon to attempt such a far-fetched act of desperation. But the plot needed him to be brought back so viola, they who have no reason to bring him back, who should have no means to bring him back, say a few words and he's back.
Jon's resurrection is the prime example of this, it feels cheap because it is cheap. Not a single person in that room should have the reason to even try to revive him, either because they shouldn't believe such a thing is possible, or because they have no reason to be committed enough to Jon to attempt such a far-fetched act of desperation. But the plot needed him to be brought back so viola, they who have no reason to bring him back, who should have no means to bring him back, say a few words and he's back.
At some point we do need the full story. Remember, ToJ was in A Game of Thrones. That was the very beginning of the story. It made sense to give a taste then--especially because it was Ned's fever dream. But now? They're not going to be able to explain why Bran just stops watching during this incredible event.
Salty Catfish
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I can absolutely picture him saying exactly this.
My thoughts on the "bittersweet" ending of the series is that I can totally see the White Walkers continuing to push south through to Kings Landing, and eventually over-running Westeros. I can still see the "heroes" of the story winning a large victory (maybe the Night King or whoever he is, is defeated, but Westeros is lost).
The survivors, whoever they may be, flee across the sea to Mereen, where they are ruled by Dany and her council. That would seem kind of bittersweet to me. Dany gets to rule as a fair and just Queen(yay!), but their homeland is lost forever (boo!). All of Dany's trials and tribulations outside of Westeros have done nothing but teach her how to lead. She's learned the cost of leadership, and how heavy a crown can be. I feel she's a natural ruler, even if young and naive sometimes. I think that's the whole point of her arc. We've seen her grow into a queen, and make both amazing and foolish decisions in the process. I can't think of anyone else in the series that would be a rightful fit in almost all areas. Nobody is perfect, but between the options, Dany is one of the best fit. Maybe Tyrion and a more experienced Jon Snow.
I think losing Westeros completely to the White Walkers would be more cutting than the deaths of our fan favorites. All the betrayal, back-biting, murdering, and war would have got them nothing, but cost them everything (their home). I think that'd be an awesome, powerful, and definitely bittersweet ending. "Revenge and Greed are bad," seems to be the overarching theme of the series. Having that lesson be learned in a way that everyone, not just our lead characters, feel could be great. I don't know. That just a thought that's been in my head for a few months now. I'm very, very interested in seeing how Martin and the show come to their conclusions.
The survivors, whoever they may be, flee across the sea to Mereen, where they are ruled by Dany and her council. That would seem kind of bittersweet to me. Dany gets to rule as a fair and just Queen(yay!), but their homeland is lost forever (boo!). All of Dany's trials and tribulations outside of Westeros have done nothing but teach her how to lead. She's learned the cost of leadership, and how heavy a crown can be. I feel she's a natural ruler, even if young and naive sometimes. I think that's the whole point of her arc. We've seen her grow into a queen, and make both amazing and foolish decisions in the process. I can't think of anyone else in the series that would be a rightful fit in almost all areas. Nobody is perfect, but between the options, Dany is one of the best fit. Maybe Tyrion and a more experienced Jon Snow.
I think losing Westeros completely to the White Walkers would be more cutting than the deaths of our fan favorites. All the betrayal, back-biting, murdering, and war would have got them nothing, but cost them everything (their home). I think that'd be an awesome, powerful, and definitely bittersweet ending. "Revenge and Greed are bad," seems to be the overarching theme of the series. Having that lesson be learned in a way that everyone, not just our lead characters, feel could be great. I don't know. That just a thought that's been in my head for a few months now. I'm very, very interested in seeing how Martin and the show come to their conclusions.
LegendofJoe
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Your Dad is a legend Bran, you're about to see him in action.
Rogue Agent
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Love this lol
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