They're fighting a war against an army of people brought back from the dead.
Jon wasn't brought back by blood magic.
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They're fighting a war against an army of people brought back from the dead.
Jon wasn't brought back by blood magic.
Sorry, I should have said "and hates the magic that Mel uses" since he's horrified by every one of her magical abilities regardless of if it's technically blood magic or not.
Last Hearth
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Wight aren't brought back from the dead, they are reanimated corpses that the WW's control. Surely Davos wasn't trying to create a wight. Davos is not aware that bringing people back from the dead, where the original personality of the dead person remains with the person, is possible.
He hated her burning and sacrificing people to do her magic. He didn't ask her to hurt anyone. He just asked her to try.
You're just splitting hairs now.
Cpt.Underpants
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I wonder if Melly will be back as her old cocky self again. No pun intended. Can't wait to see Aliser and Olly's reaction when Jon revived
Davos doesn't like how Mel reads the future from the flame or was able to swallow poison without dying. He has been staunchly against everything she has done since her introduction in season two. It's been firmly established that Davos despises magic, regardless if anyone has to die or not.
They will use the entirety of the encounter with Dane/Ned and the Lyanna/Ned scene will be very exposition heavy so people know what's going on.
Last Hearth
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The difference between a wight and a resurrected person is not splitting hairs.
-Pyromaniac-
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I disagree with people thinking the ressurrection needed to be a big deal. I like the quiet ceremony approach but I do hope there's more to it. I would like to see her try to resurrect someone else but have it not work. Or we find out something more about why it did work for Jon.
But if it worked for Thoros then why not.
But if it worked for Thoros then why not.
Would you lump The Mountain's resurrection in the same category then?
The Mountain was brought back by mad science. Much cooler.
Like Darth Vader or Bane.
Yep, another dead person being brought back to life in one form or another. Smarter than a wight but not a fully sentient person.
LegendofJoe
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Regardless of whether the resurrection affected his humanity/soul or not I think Jon is definitely going to be a changed person. Other than his friends that are loyal to him he likely won't give a damn about the people in the Nights Watch. He's going to be all about 'the mission' to stop the White Walkers and the Nights Watch are incapable of mounting an effective resistance to them. He's going to force the Northern houses to unite behind him.
That's the reason he will be "Oathbreaker."
I've been slowly catching up on this thread (I haven't seen the new episodes, and just finished Season 5 about a weekend ago), and I noticed some people not liking that Ramsay hasn't taken any losses, and is just steam-rolling his way through characters we like.
But I have to ask, what kind of loss would actually affect Ramsay? I mean, he's a sociopath for sure. He only cares about himself, so what, outside of his imminent demise would really affect him in any meaningful way? Him losing his claim to the North would, but he eliminated the biggest threat this past episode (his father, and his baby brother). Outside of that, what does Ramsay care about enough that losing it would be a "fuck yeah, suck it, Ramsay!" moment of catharsis for viewers? I personally can't think of anything. I guess we could chock that up to the writing of the character, but I enjoy that Ramsay is more of a force of nature compared to Joffrey. There are people as broken and sadistic as Ramsay, so I don't see him as a cartoon villain. He really seemed to have only wanted two things: legitimacy in the eyes of his father, and then a means to exert his power over more people. He's achieved both, and when that was threatened, he did was a psycho like him would do, and kill his father, step mother, and brother.
I don't know. I love Ramsay. He's insufferably evil, but we all know he's going to get his comeuppance. I bet even he expects it deep down, so he's taking out as many people as he can before that happens. He's nuts.
But I have to ask, what kind of loss would actually affect Ramsay? I mean, he's a sociopath for sure. He only cares about himself, so what, outside of his imminent demise would really affect him in any meaningful way? Him losing his claim to the North would, but he eliminated the biggest threat this past episode (his father, and his baby brother). Outside of that, what does Ramsay care about enough that losing it would be a "fuck yeah, suck it, Ramsay!" moment of catharsis for viewers? I personally can't think of anything. I guess we could chock that up to the writing of the character, but I enjoy that Ramsay is more of a force of nature compared to Joffrey. There are people as broken and sadistic as Ramsay, so I don't see him as a cartoon villain. He really seemed to have only wanted two things: legitimacy in the eyes of his father, and then a means to exert his power over more people. He's achieved both, and when that was threatened, he did was a psycho like him would do, and kill his father, step mother, and brother.
I don't know. I love Ramsay. He's insufferably evil, but we all know he's going to get his comeuppance. I bet even he expects it deep down, so he's taking out as many people as he can before that happens. He's nuts.
This might have been covered 100 million times already, but I just thought I'd point this out.
https://youtu.be/6yBz54ql-u0?t=52
https://youtu.be/0byvmZnH18Q?t=6
"Keep your shield up or I'll ring your head like a bell."
-Jon, to Olly
"Keep your shield up or I'll ring your head like a bell."
-Ned, to Benjen
https://youtu.be/6yBz54ql-u0?t=52
https://youtu.be/0byvmZnH18Q?t=6
"Keep your shield up or I'll ring your head like a bell."
-Jon, to Olly
"Keep your shield up or I'll ring your head like a bell."
-Ned, to Benjen
Cesare Borgia
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Would be pretty ironic if Jon kills Olly by smashing his head with a sword. It would rhyme, like poetry.
But that's not what Jon says to Olly. Also, the links are mixed up. Try a few more successive posts and you'll eventually get it right.
Edit: Never mind, I'm an idiot. How embarrassing.
Napalm_Frank
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He does say that a little later in the clip.
That is what Jon says to Olly. Keep watching.
https://youtu.be/0byvmZnH18Q?t=27
"Keep your shield up, or I'll ring your head like a bell."
Is the embedded timing not working?
Thaedolus
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Maybe don't sound so condescending when you're wrong.
I feel like if they explain it they will say that Thoros was able to resurrect Beric so that Melisandre could see and know that it was possible, therefore keeping the whole Lord of Light resurrection thing unique for Jon.
Psychoward
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So they're combining Euron and Victarion in to one guy? How is that even possible? Why?
I was also really hoping the show would actually surprise me and have Roose be the one who stabbed Ramsay instead of the other way around but alas, D&D fucking love Ramsay.
I was also really hoping the show would actually surprise me and have Roose be the one who stabbed Ramsay instead of the other way around but alas, D&D fucking love Ramsay.
I really don't understand why they can't have both characters. Would people really be overwhelmed by two new Iron Islanders? Their conflict is compelling as is the difference in their personalities and goals. Cramming Yara into that role doesn't make any sense at all. And it's not like we're attached to her anyway. We haven't seen her in a season and a half and no one was saddened by her absence.
Steelyuhas
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I think it's more Euron is Euron, and Yara will fill Victarion's function.
Psychoward
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Maybe, but they already butchered his "I Am Theon Greyjoy" line and had Brienne the Boring fill his role in that, so it'll have less weight - but yeah I could see that happening.
I will say they did a good job on visual casting at least, I thought Euron was Theon at first they look so much like they could be related.
So, do we think "home" means Iron Islands? I'm still holding out hope it means Winterfell.
Well unless
the trailer shows him talking to Yara in Winterfell, I'd say he's going far away from there.
Wow, those writers are lazy, copy & pasting lines like that. D&D are hacks, etc.
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They could have 20 new characters if they wanted, but it's better to have one strong new character.
I laughed.
Speaking of hair, it always amuses me how the younger version of an adult character in flashbacks always has the same exact hair style as the adult character. It's such a trope in fiction, but it always amuses me. In reality, we go through quite a few hairstyles in our lives, and I'm sure many of us would cringe of our adult self was sporting the Doo we had when we were younger. Basically, I don't miss my high top fade...
I mention this, because it made me laugh when (next episode spoilers),
hair style is very much exactly like the older one's. Rey had the same thing in The Force Awakens, and pretty much every cartoon ever that has a young version of an adult character.
It makes sense so that we can immediately parse who the characters are in any flashback scene, but it will never not make me laugh.
I mention this, because it made me laugh when (next episode spoilers),
young Ned's
It makes sense so that we can immediately parse who the characters are in any flashback scene, but it will never not make me laugh.
grandjedi6
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Theon actually becoming a kinslayer sorta ruins his story.
Euron is more likely to get quentyn'd after the Dragon horn fails. The Tyrion scene last episode could even be setting up the contrast.
The younger millers boy was his bastard son.
If Theon isn't a broken man for the rest of his days that's a load of shit
WhereAreMahDragonz
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nvm
If he doesn't go himself Asha will probably go to Dany since it doesn't look like the Asha in the north stuff will be (or could be) happening. So Asha for Victarion. The why is simple, they don't care and want out, cutting characters helps them get out.
Yara's gonna die.
That would make sense, even faster that way.
WaffleTaco
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I'm more willing to bet Euron kills Theon. Also Yara is probably getting burnt by the Dragons. Honestly I'm very curious if Euron even has a role to play in the finale. Like does he become the final political villain with Ramsay and Joffery gone? Or is he going to be Doran'd and die by the end of the season by one of his relatives as you suggest.
Honestly I am thinking he kills Theon this season, Sam next.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Not exactly. Dondarion was resurrected multiple times with no sacrifices or exchange's. When Lady Stoneheart was revived, I think Dondarion literally gave her his life, or something like that. Also the way Jon was revived was different than Thoros's.
Shamrock7r
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I'm loving this theory that Hodor could warg into Lyannas horse and that's what messed up his mind and he is part horse, lol
Well, Euron's goal in the books is to bring about The Long Night and he serves a man he just refers to as "him" (maybe the Shrouded Lord?). He's legit bad. Not a guy who gets his giggles out of torture, either, or plays bad. He's evil.
If the show wants a human villain after Ramsey--whose actually interesting!--Euron is the guy.
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