I have little doubt that there won't even be an Iron Throne at the end of the books.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 Offseason Thread
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No matter how the story ends, I definitely want Dany dead by the end.
Heh at Alan Taylor coming back. I guess dem movie deals dried up.
But a real shame about Bender and especially Sapochnik. These last two episodes are far and way the best double-whammy the show has ever had.
Heh at Alan Taylor coming back. I guess dem movie deals dried up.
But a real shame about Bender and especially Sapochnik. These last two episodes are far and way the best double-whammy the show has ever had.
Game of Thrones Season 7, brought to you by the directors of:
- Thor Too The Dark World
- The Worst Season Opener of the Series
- "The Greatest Footchase in Cinematic History"
- A New Guy
All hope rests with the new guy, lol.
Hoping that they just had to plan in advance and wanted to save all the heavy hitters for the final season. Season 8 directors:
- David Nutter
- Alex Graves
- Jack Bender
- Miguel Sapochnik
Come onnnn!
- Thor Too The Dark World
- The Worst Season Opener of the Series
- "The Greatest Footchase in Cinematic History"
- A New Guy
All hope rests with the new guy, lol.
Hoping that they just had to plan in advance and wanted to save all the heavy hitters for the final season. Season 8 directors:
- David Nutter
- Alex Graves
- Jack Bender
- Miguel Sapochnik
Come onnnn!
wesleyshark
Banned
That's my guess- They're saving the others for the final season. That, or scheduling conflicts, possibly.
Anton Sugar
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I can see this, but it's so boring. Dany hasn't been an interesting character in what feels like forever. Watching a character kinda struggle but then emerge victorious time and time again (often in the same fashion) is not compelling television.
Plus I'm hoping there is a minimal amount of "Emilia Clarke trying to look fierce while something badass happens around her" or "a crowd of people praise Dany" shots this season. Give her a REAL struggle. Not a forgetful coalition of
Alan Taylor is a HBO vet. Even before Game of Thrones he has directed many episodes of other critically acclaimed shows. But honestly if they're going to bring directors back who have since left the series, I would take Neil Marshall, Alex Graves, and Michelle MacLaren over Alan Taylor any day.
With Taylor it could go both ways. His GoT episodes have been good to great, but his latest directing jobs were pretty terrible.
Good thing it's shorter!
To be a little fair to him, they were weak projects from the start, especially Terminator Megadryve.
I'm sure the 57 minute Euron Sex Scene will take up much of the budget. It might even need 2 episodes.
wesleyshark
Banned
RIP Damphair
H.Cornerstone
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No Miguel Sapochnik makes me sad, his directing and the music are the main reason episode 10 worked as well as it did.
The only non-Targ to ride a dragon was Nettles, who made it her friend with large quantities of lamb.
That's how it's being set up, though. No twist needed.
That's how it's being set up, though. No twist needed.
Yeah, I'm not too worried because he worked on some great shows in the past.
Maintenance
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Damn, what a disappointing list.
bengraven
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So on the official HBO family tree, they confirm that "X" is "R".
But more interesting to me is that they have a picture of Rickard Stark. They must have taken a pic of the actor during the deleted flashback. Other characters, including Brandon, who are never seen on the show, are just represented by a picture of their house sigil.
They don't even have a pic of Lyanna.
Edit: also, I really want a flashback to the Trident.
But more interesting to me is that they have a picture of Rickard Stark. They must have taken a pic of the actor during the deleted flashback. Other characters, including Brandon, who are never seen on the show, are just represented by a picture of their house sigil.
They don't even have a pic of Lyanna.
Edit: also, I really want a flashback to the Trident.
Moff
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Rickard was seen in Brans first Winterfell flashback in season 6, he told child ned something like "Don't fight, but if you have to, win"
and I don't think they should waste any time on more flashback, just greenlight the roberts rebellion prequel season
Rickard was seen in Bran's vision when he warged Hodor, but yea not sure why they don't have one for Lyanna.
bengraven
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Oh I forgot about that!
That said, Lyanna was seen twice at two different ages and it's weird we don't see her on there.
EDIT: in response to your edit, agreed. They already have an awesome Ned Stark.
Heckler456
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Cool little detail that I found on reddit. Cherrypicked some random episodes, and it doesn't seem like that's normally the case.
I don't think they have the rights to adapt that.
I don't think Jon is going to kill Euron yet
So I guess we have to wait 2 years for another good episode of GoT? After how amazing the finale was?
Moff
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I honestly don't know, isn't it part of the same novels?
Either way, I can't imagine that would be a problem, GRRM certainly doesn't mind more money and publicity
IggyChooChoo
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Having trouble making it out -- is that the Twins with the Frey sigil?
season 5 was bad because of the writing, not directing. well besides the sand snakes scenes. but even those wouldnt have been as noticeable if the story written around them wasnt so awful.
Arya's actress' name at the Twins
Arya's actress' name at the Twins
Maybe GRRM will write the screenplay for the final episode. Har har.
It was both really. Not just a matter of directing, but just not matching great direction with important material enough. Hardhome is great because of the direction, not because of the writing. There were many moments in Season 5 which could have been elevated with solid direction, but instead fell flat. The excuse that it was bad "because of the writing" doesn't hold much weight.
Barristan's death was wildly criticized for lacking impact and making him look like a tool. A better director handling that episode could have made it feel tragic and exciting instead. A great warrior dying in a desperate battle that was unwinnable. Instead the way it was staged was just laughable. Who directed that episode? Mark Mylod. The same director who handled "the greatest footchase in cinematic history" in Season 6, another widely panned episode which felt like a letdown sandwiched between Jack Bender's and Miguel Sapochnik's episodes. I will say that Mylod did a great job with the episode before that, so he's not a hopeless director, just one who is not well suited for action. Unfortunately with the series wrapping up, we're going to see more action in every episode, so it's hard not to be disappointed that directors who are able to handle that sort of stuff aren't on the slate instead.
Jeremy Podeswa has also directed episodes in Season 5 and 6 which were panned. He handled the episode in 5 where Sansa was raped, and I think we can agree that it could have been done better, even if the main fault there is in the writing. His direction on the first two episodes of Season 6 are by far the more pedestrian and boring ones as well, so it would be reasonable for people to be disappointed that he's getting episodes instead of other directors who have done better.
bengraven
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I watched that interview Kit did at Jean Cocteau a couple years ago moderated by GRRM. I ignored it for a long time, but I did find out something pretty cool I wasn't aware of.
Apparently one of Kit's first jobs was working at Waterstones in the UK and he remembers the books from way back then. Paraphrasing: "I had to carry them in the basement. You have any idea how heavy those books are? So I was annoyed with GRRM before I met him". Then GRRM makes a joke about helping make him fit for nude scenes.
I don't know why, but I guess as a book fanatic who adores a good book store, I like the idea of Jon Snow having worked in one and had a strange relationship with the books before he auditioned.
Apparently one of Kit's first jobs was working at Waterstones in the UK and he remembers the books from way back then. Paraphrasing: "I had to carry them in the basement. You have any idea how heavy those books are? So I was annoyed with GRRM before I met him". Then GRRM makes a joke about helping make him fit for nude scenes.
I don't know why, but I guess as a book fanatic who adores a good book store, I like the idea of Jon Snow having worked in one and had a strange relationship with the books before he auditioned.
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Yeah I agree about the directors. Alan Taylor coming back is cool, but otherwise they're keeping some of the most unexciting directors they've had. Letting Miguel Sapochnik slip through the cracks after what he's delivered on this show seems absolutely insane to me. The new guy has some good credits at least but no way to know yet.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
This kinda sums it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspTr5TdR4k
DS9 spoilers for the spoiler triggered.
Human Trashcan
Banned
I forgot all about Barristan's death scene. That shit was so bad. It wasn't dramatized at all, just killed by some randos because of... reasons???
When the show is good, it's fucking great, but when it's bad, boy can it be terrible.
When the show is good, it's fucking great, but when it's bad, boy can it be terrible.
I don't really see it, man. This guy seems kind of petty and like pathetically mad. He's closer to Balon.
Euron's mad but in a visionary kind of way. Conquer the world, take dragons, sit the Iron Throne,
kill the gods and become a god.
What about Geralt of Rivia who is called the White Wolf?
I doubt that GRRM has read the Witcher books.
GRRM has made references to Elric before same as the TV show actually. I think someone shouts for Joffrey to name his sword Stormbringer.
Yeah this last episode reminded me how amazing this show can be, because it has been truly terrible at points recently
BossDarkseid
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Esp since for Dayne you at least got a sense of how great a fighter he was but for Selmy (i think also reputed to be one of the best) it felt very ordinary.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Also people give Mereen in the books a lot of shit but I genuinely liked it and it was infinitely more interesting than the show's version of mostly empty streets or people sitting in an empty pyramid talking. Like Dorne, they couldn't really figure out how to do anything interesting there, but at least it had the benefit of having characters we like there.
By contrast, the politicking, the conspiracies, Barristan getting in way over his head, I loved all that stuff. These essays are a really good close read of that: https://meereeneseblot.wordpress.co...reenese-knot-part-i-who-poisoned-the-locusts/
By contrast, the politicking, the conspiracies, Barristan getting in way over his head, I loved all that stuff. These essays are a really good close read of that: https://meereeneseblot.wordpress.co...reenese-knot-part-i-who-poisoned-the-locusts/
I really hope the little birds are still loyal to Varys and weren't just bought with freaking candy, now that would be awful.
Although the implications are interesting, it means Varys knew about the potential danger and the possible elimination of the Tyrells and still did nothing. I wouldn't mind if that is the kind of cracks Dany might have in her path to conquest, how Tyrion would react about the Sand Snakes murdering his niece, how Oleena would take Varys' inaction. It's honestly more interesting than just taking some of Dany's dragons with a magic horn.
Although the implications are interesting, it means Varys knew about the potential danger and the possible elimination of the Tyrells and still did nothing. I wouldn't mind if that is the kind of cracks Dany might have in her path to conquest, how Tyrion would react about the Sand Snakes murdering his niece, how Oleena would take Varys' inaction. It's honestly more interesting than just taking some of Dany's dragons with a magic horn.
Anton Sugar
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Yeah, I feel like a lot of people get caught up in "what's going to happen to X next?" and that becomes their priority. Plot point by plot point, hoping for something exciting, ignoring arcs, character development, or even craft (as mentioned, some episodes just have really poor blocking, composition, editing, etc.).
It's the kind of thing that has soured me a bit on the AV Club, who seem genuinely terrified to give this show anything less than a B-. Even Season 5 never dips lower than that.
lol
Candy causing the birds to have permanently turned on Varys is up there with "Sansa turns on Jon" when it comes to bad ideas for Season 7.
Heckler456
Banned
Sure is. You can also recognize it by its twin towers standing beside the trident.
PushTheButtonMax
Banned
Alan Taylor being back is great news, I always thought he did the best work in the past. David Nutter being absent is a great thing.
IggyChooChoo
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Like a lot of ASOIAF, I got a ton more out of it on a second read. Meereen particularly so. Dany's Meereen story is a conflict over whether she can be rule as well as she can conquer. By the time she leaves, it seems clear she's a much better conquerer, which does not bode well for Westeros.
Did you guys see this?
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/29/hbo-confirms-who-both-of-jon-snows-parents-are
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/29/hbo-confirms-who-both-of-jon-snows-parents-are
Anton Sugar
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It's almost like they chould have created some kind of tree-like structure to show the family relationships.
I wonder if there's a worse way, though.
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