Chuckie
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I thought the whole encounter was fucked up. It felt like Bran left his emotions behind the wall.
He says he feels sorry she got raped, but it sounded like he really doesn't give a fuck at all. About anything for that matter.
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I thought the whole encounter was fucked up. It felt like Bran left his emotions behind the wall.
He says he feels sorry she got raped, but it sounded like he really doesn't give a fuck at all. About anything for that matter.
Man. The writing/acting on the show used to be fantastic.
Perhaps because he sees everything (he even said himself that he still had little control over what he does and doesn't see), he's become numb to the atrocities he's forced to witness? Or perhaps he understands that what happened to her is all part of her fate, and despite it's brutality actually lead her home in the end?
Chuckie
Member
Could be. I don't know how much he has seen since Hodor died (back when he still seemed to have emotions). He must have seen some shit though... because when he meets Sansa... he is just blank. Not even sad... just nothing.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Almost like they were working off some really good source material and when they lost that lifeline completely they were at sea
re: the cersei/jaime sex scene, it played out more or less how the sept "rape" (on the show) played out in the books. Despite his initial protestation, he clearly goes along with it and wants it. I mean, they wake up in the same bed. Just like Cersei said "no" but clearly went along with Jaime in the books in the sept.
Oldest Snake
Member
So is that it for the state of Jorah post-greyscale? I've had sunburn worse than that! Part of me hopes he's still 'active' is going to wind up infecting 1000s of people, but I doubt it. Seriously, did the maesters even LOOK at the cure?! Who the hell would risk transporting sick people on a boat all the way to the Sorrows but would balk at the idea of cutting off some skin and rubbing a little oil on the wounds?
Ludicrous.
Ludicrous.
Losing GRRM's dialogue was one of the worst things that happened to the show. Say what you will about the monotony of the last two books but that man is an absolute master with dialogue.
Don't forget the part where Show Dorne kills off one of the book's most badass black characters like a fucking joke.
pr0cs
Member
Uh pretty sure it's unclear that he's actually black , from the books Norvos sounds more like "Viking world" than anything else.
But you are right, they did turn Areo into a joke
She left us with an unforgettable line and a quite, ahem, memorable scene. It's more than the other two ever did.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Davos' speech was pretty much a repeat of the iron bank speech, huh.
So what does this mean for King's Landing, since ostensibly Cersei won't actually kill her. If Dany takes over she's just gonna leave her rotting there? Or is the entirety of King's Landing getting nuked? Cersei can't possibly win this shit.
I figured that was the last we'd see of Ellaria. Just like how we saw the last of Essos and the last of Dorne last season. D&D trimming the fat by all means possible.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Okay. The last two books were really good! I find it weird how they get dragged a lot for being monotonous but they're way better than Clash of Kings imo, which is a real drag until the last third.
She will kill herself somehow.
Or Dany takes Kingslanding and she's just told there are two dead bodies
Or Dany take Kingslanding and it's not even mentioned.
hydrophilic attack
Member
i place my bet on number 3
Psychoward
Banned
Nah looks better with longer hairlies
perfection
Anyway I looked up the actress and I finally felt old as she's almost younger than I am...
Also that Ellaria stuff lol what are they doing, and yeah it was kinda spoilery but it doesn't matter too much I guess
that's because he's Daario Nahaerys (and he'll betray Dolorous Edd to the White Walkers, hot scoop)
I re watched Season 1 last year and I felt the producers decided to nerf the writing in later season to make the show more comprehensible for the masses.
That bitch, she also poisoned his dick so every other woman who blowjobs him will die!
Then at the same episode Jamie went at the Tyrell's castle.That's my biggest problem with all fast travelling, we have no idea what happens when, I mean by now the liitle sand snake may already be dead.
Nah, Dany is going with Jon back to Winterfell to escape from Cersei following all the Ls she's taking. She needs to be in the North when the White Walkers attack and that is the plot device they are gonna use.
I can't see Daenerys running.
If she loses a dragon(basically a guarantee at this point) and doesn't have much of an army left, and she already lost all of her Westerosi support. What other choice will she have?
I would honestly be surprised if Dany ever sits the Iron Throne, just not GRRM's style.
Sophie Turner is the only one of the younger cast that I can see having an actual Hollywood cereer.
I'm not saying it will be that logical, just that they need that dragons vs White Walkers setup going into season 8, and that's how I think they get there.
She will arrive at Winterfell sometime during the season finale and the white walkers will prepare their attack during the finale as well.
I could of course be wrong, but obviously I don't think that I am.
Latvian Hitman
Member
That's correct- though I wouldn't lay all the blame at the feet of any one director. They're still bound by the constraints of what the show runners and writers come up with. Shit in, shit out.
I'm not sure about Bran's intentions, but I also saw this as a realization in Sansa's mind, sure she confronted Littlefinger before but his "imagine every possible outcome" speech is confirmation that even if he knew about Ramsay he didn't care because he clearly thought of every possibility.
In the pooks that scene is written with very different dialogue. In fact it was a major issue of the pilot that all the dialogue felt stilted and unreal.
For example in that video with Eddard, Varys does not say "I swear it by my lost manhood" like George wrote. Because that dialogue is awful.
Gunslinger
Member
They should really start adding titles in each scene "4 months later..". Because otherwise all these time skip looks like teleporting or fast travel from Skyrim.
CopperPuppy
Member
The difference from say S1 to now, viewed side by side, is staggering. It feels like a lot of the characters speak mostly in series of banalities, platitudes, and one-liners. The acting suffers as a result.
Red Arremer
Member
I agree. The dialogue is nowhere near as clever as it used to be. Even the show-only scenes like the talk between Cersei and Robert, or Varys and Littlefinger, and what have you, were written a lot better than ANY dialogue is now. And, I would argue, also was acted out a lot better because of it.
I remember when people were giggling about "chaos ish a laddah" (though I think it was more Aiden Gillen's acting than the speech itself), or minutiae of dialogue taken directly from the books ("Only Cat" comes to mind here, funnily enough. Poor LF...). Simpler times then, wasn't it?
Gunslinger
Member
They ran out of book material. So now the show writers are showing their true talent. And I am not impressed.
agreed.
also feel like the story is too predictable now. a main character must die every second episode. no real twists either
Yeah emphasis on used to unfortunately
Red Arremer
Member
I mean, their books weren't bad, as far as I know.
To me it seems like, even more so than being bad writers, D&D simply are getting tired of making this show. They've been doing this for 7 years now, and I imagine that once they left book territory to fall back on, it didn't become any easier. The ASoIaF fans also seem a lot harsher than any other fandoms I've seen (like, there was plenty of outrage over no Tom Bombadil in the LotR trilogy, but it didn't seem comparable to the outrage over GoT's deviations from the books), so I imagine that the backlash also may have been getting to them.
They genuinely seemed to care about the books and making the adaptation good as they were starting, else GRRM would never have agreed to let them do it, but I think this is simply a case of they bit off more than they can chew, and now they have to finish it. Which is reflected in the last 2 seasons being shorter in number of episodes, as well as Season 7 feeling a lot more rushed even compared to the fairly weak seasons before it.
We need an R+L wedding scene and then him telling her to name the baby Jon after his best friend.
I don't think you're very familiar with Tolkien purists, LOL.
If Peter Jackson's LotR trilogy got less outrage than GoT, that's only because it was a really good adaptation(and also there were less avenues for fan outrage back then).
Red Arremer
Member
Oh I know, there's purists for everything. But the guys who walked out of the film when Arwen instead of Glorfindel saved Frodo also probably aren't the admins of one of the biggest LotR fan outlets on the internet.
Though I suppose that there were less outlets back then - Twitter wasn't a thing yet and such.
I don't know anyone who predicted Cersei would be kicking Dany's ass at this point.
SporeCrawler
Member
Why? She isn't any better than the others. She was pretty bland in X-Men, and she has no range on the show either. The only reason they're gonna get roles is because they were in GoT. The only great younger actor is Alfie Allen, and he seems to be overlooked by most people because he doesn't play a cool character.
Gunslinger
Member
Social media didn't exist in 2003 like that. Wow I can hardly believe RotK came out 14 years ago now. I remember I was in 10th grade going to the movies with 10 or so friends after class to watch it lol. But anyway only way to rage of over LoTR not being accurate was probably in forums and such. No Twitter, Facebook didn't pick up yet, MySpace only just coming into existence.
I knew Dany would have setbacks. You're right that I didn't take into account the showrunners abandoning all logic to make Dany's nearly invincible army look like an army of redshirts.
Most people predicted that Cersei would have early victories just because Dany was too op at the end of last season.