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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO

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VindicatorZ

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Zabka said:
I don't know anyone who predicted Cersei would be kicking Dany's ass at this point.
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I and many others were saying how Dany is going to be getting her ass handed to her by Cersei early in the season. I predicted Euron would wreck all her shit, forcing Dany to go a little "Mad Queen" and start using her dragons.


I'm still holding hope they introduce the dragon horn with Euron but it's unlikely. I'd also like for them to show Euron controlling the weather and or summoning a Kraken.
 
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Finn of Ooo

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Tyrion seems to be getting his mental ass kicked left right and center, bit odd considering he was supposed to be the smartest of the Lannister children and one of the smartest people in the 7 kingdoms.

Also I'm sure this has been brought up multiple times but how does Euron's magic fleet attack them near Dorne, make it to Kings Landing to drop off Ellaria, then get up to casterly rock. I assume the unsullied and asha's fleets moved simultaneously. They should have been done with the siege and long gone by the time the iron fleet got there.
 
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Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
Gunslinger said:
Social media didn't exist in 2003 like that. Wow I can hardly believe RotK came out 14 years ago now. I remember I was in 10th grade going to the movies with 10 or so friends after class to watch it lol. But anyway only way to rage of over LoTR not being accurate was probably in forums and such. No Twitter, Facebook didn't pick up yet, MySpace only just coming into existence.
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I remember when LotR came out only one friend and I had read the books in our group and we were just happy to see it on screen. By the time RotK came out a few more of us had read them and their negativity infected the group.
 
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Pluto

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fuzaco said:
Why? She isn't any better than the others. She was pretty bland in X-Men, and she has no range on the show either. The only reason they're gonna get roles is because they were in GoT. The only great younger actor is Alfie Allen, and he seems to be overlooked by most people because he doesn't play a cool character.
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Sophie Turner is tall and beautiful and if she keeps her hair red she has a great look, look at her in the red carpet, she looks like a star, the others not so much. That's superficial, sure but Hollywood often works like that.
 
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hydrophilic attack

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Red Arremer said:
I agree. The dialogue is nowhere near as clever as it used to be. Even the show-only scenes like the talk between Cersei and Robert, or Varys and Littlefinger, and what have you, were written a lot better than ANY dialogue is now. And, I would argue, also was acted out a lot better because of it.
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That scene was so good. You just made me re-watch it. Still holds up beautifully. Show has definitely lost something.
 
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Burt

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"Do you lie awake at night, fearing my gash?"

Still literally the best line to have ever gone through a television speaker
 
Freshmaker

Freshmaker

I am Korean.
Fuzzy said:
I remember when LotR came out only one friend and I had read the books in our group and we were just happy to see it on screen. By the time RotK came out a few more of us had read them and their negativity infected the group.
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They were right.
 
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hydrophilic attack

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So, it seems Melisandre knows some stuff

And my friend brought my attention to an interesting line when Melisandre met Dany. When Dany asks if Melisandre thinks she is the promised princess, Melisandre replies that Dany has a role to play. That's a bit of an evasive answer. Clearly Melisandre thinks Jon is the Prince that was Promised. But could Dany be Nissa Nissa?
 
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SuperEpicMan

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After episode 2 I commented here how the greyscale treatment seemed a little easy and convenient. However after watching episode 3 last night, I kinda suspect it might have been intended that way. Basically, I think greyscale probably IS near impossible to cure (if at all), but that the gods cured Jorah and also Shireen for whatever reason.
 
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Latvian Hitman

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Finn of Ooo said:
Also I'm sure this has been brought up multiple times but how does Euron's magic fleet attack them near Dorne, make it to Kings Landing to drop off Ellaria, then get up to casterly rock. I assume the unsullied and asha's fleets moved simultaneously. They should have been done with the siege and long gone by the time the iron fleet got there.
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Had Euron's ship not been shown off the shore at Casterly Rock, they could have played this off as being a smaller, secondary fleet that had come from the Iron Islands themselves. But no, Euron's ship had to be front and center, because Euron must be built up as a badass at every possible turn.

Zabka said:
I don't know anyone who predicted Cersei would be kicking Dany's ass at this point.
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I don't think I came on here and posted any such prediction, but I was certainly expecting her to have the upper hand early on, because the eventual loser always does. Many people in this thread expected Cersei to lose the war and/or die by season's end, so, by extension, they were expecting her to have the upper hand early. I was just (naively) hoping that the show runners had a plan in place to make it a bit more believable than this.
 
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If you're wondering why the show doesn't make sense anymore it's because the creators knowingly eschew logic to build false drama. Rad!
 
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Oldest Snake said:
So is that it for the state of Jorah post-greyscale? I've had sunburn worse than that! Part of me hopes he's still 'active' is going to wind up infecting 1000s of people, but I doubt it. Seriously, did the maesters even LOOK at the cure?! Who the hell would risk transporting sick people on a boat all the way to the Sorrows but would balk at the idea of cutting off some skin and rubbing a little oil on the wounds?

Ludicrous.
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Once you have greyscale you're immune and cant get reinfected. Jorah got greyscale when him and Tyrion traveled to Valyria, the abandoned city, overrun with stone men where the Targaryens are from. What kills white walkers? Thats right Valyrian steel! Who has this? Well Jamie has a sword, as does Brianne. Lightbringer hasn't been forged yet, and this is likely the Hound and the men without banners story arc. There are other people who have Valyrian armor or weapons too outside of the sword, but Valyrian steel is the magic stuff.

Jorah can (and probably will) freely travel to Valyria now, worry free of stone men there and collect all the Valyrian steel his heart desires. I expect him to come back to Dany in a full Valyrian armor suit, sword in hand and save her from white walker or something. Samwell will be the one to tell Jorah about Valyrian steels effects on WW's and Jorah will be like... *lightbulb* and head there.

This will be Jorah's arc no doubt, otherwise greyscale was pointless.
 
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Anton Sugar

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Gunslinger said:
They ran out of book material. So now the show writers are showing their true talent. And I am not impressed.
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The real reason why Confederate is a bad idea. D&D, masters of subtlety, careful handlers of sensitive subjects.

SporeCrawler said:
I wouldnt mind seeing her or sophie turner in other movies

Same with natalie dormer
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I thought Emilia did a little better last night, but she still feels like an actor playing her idea of a strong character. It didn't help that her character is being so illogical. It's been seven seasons and she's still thinking in black and white about this "right to rule" "all men bow to me" bullshit?

Sophie Turner--I don't know. I didn't think she brought anything special to Jean Grey in Apocalypse (but that movie was balls all around). Her bad accent was really distracting, though.

Dormer is solid.

If nothing else, last night's episode reminded me of how much I miss diplomatic games involving Tyrion and/or Varys. It's obvious where the show is going, but still--made me want to rewatch S1.

It was also great seeing Jon and Tyrion back together and interacting. Again, got that S1 nostalgia.
 
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Burt

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One Eyed Willy said:
Once you have greyscale you're immune and cant get reinfected. Jorah got greyscale when him and Tyrion traveled to Valeria, the abandoned city, overrun with stone men where the Targaryens are from. What kills white walkers? Thats right Valerian steel! Who has this? Well Jamie has a sword, as does Brianne. There are other people who have Valerian armor or weapons too outside of the sword, but Valerian steel is the magic stuff.

Jorah can (and probably will) freely travel to Valeria now, worry free of stone men there and collect all the Valerian steel his heart desires. I expect him to come back to Dany in a full Valerian armor suit, sword in hand and save her from white walker or something.

This will be Jorah's arc no doubt
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*Ser Jorah enters the obsidian throneroom of Dragonstone with his head held high as he makes his triumphant return to Khaleesi, having fulfilled the impossible promise he made to her*

"I have returned, Khaleesi, free from madness and disease, and ready to once again serve faithfully at your side until the end of my days."

"Thanks, Jorah, but the bastard son of the man who exiled you before I exiled you says you need to leave and go hang out with the diseased crazies on the other side of the ocean that you got your skin cut off to avoid.

Have fun."

*Ser Jorah's head hangs low, shoulders slumped, as he trudges out of the room, through the courtyard, down the long and winding stairs of Dragonstone, into a row boat. He rows, and rows, and rows, until he's just a dot on the horizon, and then.. nothing.*

Cut to Jon Snow zooming past on his ship, standing on the prow with Longclaw held high in the air as he rejoices over the successful trip to Dragonstone.

The wake from the larger ship kicks up and soaks Jorah, but it's clear that he recognized the sword.
 
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The Elite

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Gigglepoo said:
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If you're wondering why the show doesn't make sense anymore it's because the creators knowingly eschew logic to build false drama. Rad!
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The drama of them seeing each other again would have still had the same impact even if she had received word ahead of time.

You know your sister who you haven't seen in five years is coming to visit because she called you but it's still emotional when you see her.
 
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Latvian Hitman

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WhereAreMahDragonz said:
We already got confirmation about jon's parentage what else do we need
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This seems to keep coming up every day or two. The only confirmation we've gotten about Jon's parentage is that Lyanna is his mother. The average show watcher still doesn't know about Rhaegar being the father. There will be a reveal about that, you can mark it down.
 
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Ocarina_117

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Gigglepoo said:
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If you're wondering why the show doesn't make sense anymore it's because the creators knowingly eschew logic to build false drama. Rad!
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Sansa receives Raven.

Dramatic scene of her reading the news, wanting to leave winterfell to meet Bran. Advised against it, sends escort.

Whilst waiting for escort - some little finger scheming realising there's a true born male claimant to winterfell.

Dramatic scene when Bran returns.

I mean come on. The scenes in between could have conveyed a passage of time also.

Edit - Im not calling for a need of these additional scenes, just pointing out we could have had both logic and drama.
 
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JakeD

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Proteus said:
The drama of them seeing each other again would have still had the same impact even if she had received word ahead of time.

You know your sister who you haven't seen in five years is coming to visit because she called you but it's still emotional when you see her.
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There's alot of instances over the last couple seasons where a messenger or raven would have made more sense (most of Littlefingers' and varys' trips) but I'm not sure this is one of them. Bran was going to winterfell anyway. Sure a line like "we got a message from the wall, but I didn't believe it!" maybe would be good but its definitely a nitpick when you consider all the other illogical stuff going on
 
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Gunslinger

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Is winds of winter the last book? Or there is one more? If so I don't see GRR Martin finishing this series. I think even he doesn't care about game of thrones anymore.
 
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Human Trashcan

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Proteus said:
The drama of them seeing each other again would have still had the same impact even if she had received word ahead of time.

You know your sister who you haven't seen in five years is coming to visit because she called you but it's still emotional when you see her.
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This. It's a bad example to nit-pick, but when this lack of logic extends to just about every aspect of the show including characters' decision-making, it is a problem.

In this case though, it's not even clear that she didn't get a raven. The only thing the guy told her was "there's someone at the gates" or something, and from her reaction you can tell it's someone she was expecting/anxious to see (again). So it's a bad example to nit-pick from both a dramatic and logical point of view. We didn't need a scene telling us that Sansa got a raven.
 
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Gunslinger said:
Is winds of winter the last book? Or there is one more? If so I don't see GRR Martin finishing this series. I think even he doesn't care about game of thrones anymore.
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I feel tying it all together is a monumental task. Had GRRM stuck with his original plan of a 5 year time skip and then continued we'd have wrapped up long ago.

Filling in the 5 years led to the mereneese knot and far too many POV characters being introduced.

He deserved the few years of enjoying the plaudits for GoT, it's his creation. But now it's just very frustrating waiting for the next book. The preview chapters have been exceptional imho.
 
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Zabka said:
I don't know anyone who predicted Cersei would be kicking Dany's ass at this point.
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Is she though? All that cersei did is wiping out dorne, highgarden and the remnants of the iron fleet. Danys main army (unsullied, dothraki, second sons) are still intact and she has dragons.
 
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Gunslinger

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Wait weren't unsullied wiped out by Euron Greyjoy? And only Obama lookalike and some of his crews left alive in casterly rock? I think unsullied are done. Lannister too op.
 
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Gunslinger said:
Wait weren't unsullied wiped out by Euron Greyjoy? And only Obama lookalike and some of his crews left alive in casterly rock? I think unsullied are done. Lannister too op.
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The way I saw that scene was that the unsullied troops had already made land at Casterly Rock by that point, as Greyworm and his 20 good men opened the gates and let them in. I think the ships that Euron was destroying were mostly empty by that point.

So, the unsullied are kind of isolated and their tactical importance has been greatly diminished for the time being, but they're still mostly intact.

At least- that's what I took away from it.
 
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Speevy

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Gunslinger said:
Wait weren't unsullied wiped out by Euron Greyjoy? And only Obama lookalike and some of his crews left alive in casterly rock? I think unsullied are done. Lannister too op.
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I wonder what the Lannister decoy crew did to deserve being offered up to the unsullied with no food.

"Shit, was this really necessary? Couldn't Euron just burn the ships while everyone takes Highgarden?"
 
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Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
Speevy said:
I wonder what the Lannister decoy crew did to deserve being offered up to the unsullied with no food.

"Shit, was this really necessary? Couldn't Euron just burn the ships while everyone takes Highgarden?"
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Jaime: "Robb Stark sacrificed some of his men to beat me. I wanna kill some of my own men too!"
 
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Speevy

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Fuzzy said:
Jaime: "Robb Stark sacrificed some of his men to beat me. I wanna kill some of my own men too!"
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"Sir, Robb Stark sacrificed his own men so he could take you captive and take back Riverrun. The unsullied weren't going to be defending Highgarden no matter what."

Jaime: "Oh. Well, I turn evil every time my sister gives me a blow job. Sorry about that."
 
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Latvian Hitman said:
The way I saw that scene was that the unsullied troops had already made land at Casterly Rock by that point, as Greyworm and his 20 good men opened the gates and let them in. I think the ships that Euron was destroying were mostly empty by that point.

So, the unsullied are kind of isolated and their tactical importance has been greatly diminished for the time being, but they're still mostly intact.

At least- that's what I took away from it.
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Jaime explained it to Olenna, it's basically that, they are stranded and the castle without provisions.

At least Olenna made the very obvious question of why Tywin had not tried to take Highgarden before since they were now with no gold for quite sometime. The answer is obvious as well the Tyrells had a huge army, which we know have decided to nerf because reasons.
 
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