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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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Is it though? They'll make it any size they want.
It probably is Joffrey but it isn't confirmed in any real way, although George giving us the conclusions of 2 POV characters is going to be as much as we get.
The interesting thing was that when Catelyn asked Littlefinger about the dagger he said it had belonged to him, with Bran he said he didn't know. Along with the "Chaos is a Laddah" callback, it seems Bran knows he is full of shit but doesn't seem interested in doing anything with that info.
MastaKilla
Member
A 10k strong elite army is a lot. You also still have Euron and his 1k ships as well.
Whose very presence makes other ships burst into flames.
I would have burned all the Dothraki at sea since they're like the bulk of Dany's fighting force.
Of course you could argue that Euron might be deterred by the approach of a dragon.
First off Dany didn't choose Drogo and at the beginning is really scared of him. Second if we indulge your premise that Dany has a type, these were all powerful men and Jon is Kingindanorf so she might be into that.
I think Bran is just so disconnected from others that about the only thing he cares about is stopping the Night King and he doesn't feel any connection to what happened to Bran or the Starks, and he doesn't think Littlefinger is all that relevant to what's happening north of the wall. Bran probably casually drops what he knows about Littlefinger to one of his family members and he'll be screwed.
demosthenes
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You're right, they'll call them 30k if they need to. The unsullied are supposed to be elite, in the show they've been nothing but that. They need some BS excuses to keep propping up Cersei so they'll probably be elite.
You haven't watched Lord of the Rings in a while, have you?
Kinda how I feel. Bran obviously feels bad about what happened to his siblings, but at this point, he's seen every person that's starved/burned/stabbed/every other grusome thing.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Does anybody here think that Drogon needs to go after the latest episode? Because at first I was happy but later on my mood change to this is terrifying.
Everyone wants dragons burning Lannisters until they see dragons burn Lannisters over some sad music and Tyrion frowning.
SofNasciment-
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The unsullied were one of the biggest disappointments for me. I always expect them to be a roman legion on steroids but they delivered nothing in the series. Even the siege of Casterly Rock was lackluster and too simple (although that's understandable).
I mean, being a police force is not what they trained for, but there were many moments that they could have done better.
Funny enough, the closest thing to my vision of the Unsullied were the Lannister in this last episode. The discipline they showed against a dragon and a horde of cavalry was unnatural.
Seriously it was, not on the same scale but I kept thinking of the battle of the Pelennor fields and the dragon reminded me of the Witch King on his Nazgul.
Even the colour felt similar.
To see this massive battle on a television show after we've seen some big set pieces already this season was really good.
We've come a long way from having Tyrion get knocked by a horse just to avoid a battle scene to this.
demosthenes
Member
Dany didn't choose Drogo, but she clearly came to love him and he heavily shaped her notions of attractive masculinity. And Daario is hardly powerful. He's a minor mercenary captain. If it was just power she was attracted to, leaving Daario for some noble back in Meereen would've been easy. But she hated that because she was attracted to Drogo and Daario's wild, unrestrained natures, which is not what you're getting with da king in da norf.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
To be fair, it was not a pretty sight to see what happens to the guys on the other end. It's pretty much napalm with wings.
Don't the unsullied not even make any sense as an elite fighting source? Chopping their balls offs as children would kill their testosterone production, and honestly the unsullied to look kind of scrawny on the show. I get the whole discipline thing but honestly I've always thought the unsullied don't even make sense.
hydrophilic attack
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maybe she is getting turned on by jon's refusal to kneel
Fan service is a powerful attraction for both of them.
So far this season has been pure fan service, so I fully expect them to fuck by the end of the season, no matter how dumb it will be.
SofNasciment-
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They mention they are weaker because of their... removals, but I'm not sure how much that would compromise the fighting effectiveness of a man, especially in formation fighting.
But fighting and war overall in asoiaf are as fantastical as the whitewalkers or dragons. I mean, maybe not as fantastical, but it doesn't have a clear and grounded logic.
Those Mereenese nobles were all simpering fools. She wants Jon more every time he refuses to bend the knee, that is why she keeps asking.
You are accused of high treason, Jon Snow. I sentence you to sex.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
let's take a moment to remember poor rickon since clearly no one in his family cares.
Spooky Scary Skeleton
Member
The bulk of Lannister/Tarly army made it to Kings Landing along with the golds.
"Hey Bran, you can read minds, can't you? Do you remember when you left Rickon with the Umbers?"
Yea it was stupid but also fucking awesome and Bronn shooting a dragon so all is forgiven.
This story changes every time someone else tells it.
The gold arrived safely through the gate. The Lannister forces however were put into an awkward position, having spread too thin.
So to hear the show tell it, that's why the force was significantly smaller than what you saw marching on Highgarden.
This serves two purposes. One, it makes for fewer soldiers for Dany to kill and saves some effects time. Two, it gives Cersei a Lannister army once they it to either strike back at or join Dany.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem with a dragon being vulnerable or even getting taken out. I just mean in terms of storytelling, it was a little unsatisfactory for the cersei side to have a well functioning solution before they even faced one in battle.
Don't stop at the drawings, Jon! There's no telling what else is in that in that amazing Dragonstone cave. He might even find Aladdin's lamp and a flying carpet!
They're really too similar in what they like in a partner. Jon likes wild aggressive women. Dany likes wild aggressive men. Neither can fill that role for the other.
The Gods(zeitgeist) demand it.
They're really too similar in what they like in a partner. Jon likes wild aggressive women. Dany likes wild aggressive men. Neither can fill that role for the other.
I'm still shipping Jon with Val.
The Gods(zeitgeist) demand it.
Dusk Soldier
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Did you miss everything they did in Essos?
hydrophilic attack
Member
jon and dany will find CoF porn carved in that cave which will finally lead to some auntie action
As much as I think all the Stark Kids scenes are kind of awful and more awkward than they should be.
It makes sense that Bran is some kind of detached weirdo. When you are spending all day every day watching basically everything that has ever happened I assume it would detach you from everything and make you realize how insignificant just about everything is.
Just the same as more takes on immortality after enough time are people just wishing for death. Hell Bran probably doesn't even really give a shit about stopping the Night King, cause who fucking cares, he's watched nearly everyone ever die.
It makes sense that Bran is some kind of detached weirdo. When you are spending all day every day watching basically everything that has ever happened I assume it would detach you from everything and make you realize how insignificant just about everything is.
Just the same as more takes on immortality after enough time are people just wishing for death. Hell Bran probably doesn't even really give a shit about stopping the Night King, cause who fucking cares, he's watched nearly everyone ever die.
No, I saw them steamroll everyone, which made it lame when they instantly get neutered the second they run into a main character's army
Edit: I know eventually they had to face a threat, I just wish it was handled with a little more depth than "oh don't worry about that your grace *qyburn smirk*"
*shrug*
Not how I read those scenes at all.
Ed Sheeran and those other dudes are not Lannisters. They are soldiers. Same as the dudes horrifically killed in any other battle scene regardless of alligience. We saw these guys specifically freaked out to build tension and make the Dothraki and Dragons finally pay off as badasses for once.
We didn't see them take High-garden for three very clear reasons:
- Nobody gives a fuck about about Dickon kill randos
- $
- time
It honestly feels like you are stretching a bit, about trying to draw themes from "all this season" which is not much material to draw from.
So I dunno. You're obviously free to disagree, but I'm not really swayed that this scene somehow didn't earn those cut-seats.
I will agree that the character moments have suffered this season, but I was totally thinking "man that would be scary" while still rooting for Dany.
Felt the same way during Blackwater.
I mean, we got a funny exchange with Dany one episode later. That is more than they have used Ghost from episode to episode maybe ever.
Not sure what that means. If you want them to go back and edit Ghost into past seasons like a Star Wars Special Edition I will co-sign that, but as it stands Ghost is not an interesting figure on the show.
Dany chose the wrong Greyjoys.
bitbydeath
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Rickon? Oh, no. You must mean Dickon.
Yep, they even said in the post-episode thing they wanted it to be like bringing a jet fighter to a medieval fight. It was certainly that. Sure, they managed to wound one (and we arent even sure how badly but he didnt seem to be bleeding out or anything and Dany seemed to be removing it without much issue), but if all three of those dragons were there at the same time it would have been over in seconds.
bitbydeath
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In the books Bronn was given a wife to inherit a castle, I could have sworn he was also paired up on the show a few seasons ago just before he left for Dorne?
He was, not sure what happened there.
IIRC Jaime tells Bronn that Cersei has married Lollys to someone else.
Yeah..."dick"
Get it?
It's another word that was never used that way in medieval Europe.
elrechazado
Banned
Love how we can have dickon and rickon but not Osha and asha, but can have Arya and Yara. Ok show.
GRRM said in advance of ASOS's publication that the book would reveal who sent the assassin, so it was Joffrey.
However, since the show omitted that explanation, I've been expecting since Season 4 that they were going to change it to Littlefinger. Tons of fans who are disappointed with the book explanation theorize that, even though it doesn't make sense at all within the books.
Haha. So true.
But it has been used that way in the books so....