Atraveller
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They could be all over the continent before First Men came. They got pushed back to the North because of First Men.
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It's not explained, but I'm assuming because it's relation to dragons somehow. It's also been called dragon steel in the books.
Ocarina_117
Banned
LOL
The first men came over the land bridge which was destroyed by the CoTF. I thought they mainly kept to forests, in particular weirwood forests (hence the name). Dragonstone doesn't look very green. The whole scene seemed a lazy way to convin Dany.
I guess you could make a case they were hunting for Dragon glass.
I thought Sam killed one with a VS dagger? Or was that just in the show?
Valyrian steel is crafted using a combination of magic and dragon fire. It can kill anything.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Dragon glass dagger.
It was obsidian. The only VS dagger is Littlefinger's (I think).
Pretty sure Sam killed a wight, not a White Walker. And I think it was with a dragonglass dagger?
Ah, that explains it then, I was getting the two confused.
So VS is way more highly regarded in the books than on the show, then. Cause on the show people sort of casually mention it but dont seem to make a big deal of it. Even Arya was like Oh cool I guess thx.
Sam killed a White Walker with a dragonglass dagger.
Will the Thrill
Banned
Yeah in the show it was a Dragonglass dagger, I'm pretty sure VS killing them as well is just a theory they have in the books but haven't been able to test/have the opportunity yet.
Afaik, the only White Walker killing ever is on the show and was Jon vs Nameless Other at Hardhome. Never happened in the books.
It wasn't a wight? Mind you, it's been centuries since I read that book.
It wasn't a wight? Mind you, it's been centuries since I read that book.
Ocarina_117
Banned
He was being carried by one of the brothers of the nights watch on the retreat from the fist.
They lag behind the rest and get set upon by a white walker. One of the brothers dies, Sam charges with a dragon glass dagger and the chapter ends there iirc. From subsequent chapters we know he killed a white walker.
It looked like a white walker. Emaciated and weak, but an Other nonetheless. Just speaking from a show perspective. I can't recall if it was a wight from the books either, been like four years since I read it.
Been listening to binge mode podcast as they've done their rewatch. It's been very entertaining. So many great moments over the years that I had not thought of in quite a while. Also it's fun to listen to the hosts. Non bitter book loving fans who are taking great joy in seeing a version of the story on screen. A fun listen, even if Jason's voice can get a little grating at times lol. He does a great section going over related book history of events in the show. And he does a great George voice.
demosthenes
Member
Man, I totally don't remember this. All along I remembered that he fought off a wight beyond the wall and killed it with dragonglass, and then they called him Sam the Slayer.
I'm talking about the book.
elrechazado
Banned
You are incorrect. Sam kills one with a dragon glass dagger, earning him the moniker of Slayer.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Samwell_Tarly
He escapes with a group of about fifty survivors led by Jeor Mormont. The march is hard on Sam and he is helped by his friends Grenn and Small Paul, but eventually they are separated from the majority of the men. Paul, who carries Sam for much of the journey, is attacked and killed by an Other, but the weight of his body disarms it as he dies. Samwell, who is carrying a dragonglass dagger that was among the cache found by Ghost, blindly stabs the Other, which dies instantaneously from the dragonglass blade. Killing the Other earns him the nickname "Sam the Slayer", although many say this mockingly as they do not believe his feat.[11]
Will the Thrill
Banned
I think the confusion is how it went down in the books compared to the show
Ocarina_117
Banned
Meera also kills a white walker with a spear in hold the door.
I really wish the appearance of the white walkers was more similar to the books. Mysterious but beautiful creatures of ice, Ice elves, as opposed to ice orcs.
I really wish the appearance of the white walkers was more similar to the books. Mysterious but beautiful creatures of ice, Ice elves, as opposed to ice orcs.
Does it really matter? it's better than the last 3 combined. Runtime means nothing when it's just runny shit.
elrechazado
Banned
Agreed. The description in the books are so great. Iridescent armor and ice swords. Instead we get savages in loincloths that look like uruk hai rejects.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Yeah in the book! The show changed it to being Sam and Gilly. I read the books before season 5 and currently rereading the series as i feel it in my bones TWoW will release soon, so i still remember a fair whack.
demosthenes
Member
:lol
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I would've liked beautiful white walkers in the show. It'd be a stark difference from what we got, and it'd be an interesting dynamic.
The Artisan
Member
if the books are forever tba, we'll have to make due to the ending of the show.
If it came down to it, I think there's enough fan fiction in this thread that we could cobble something together.
demosthenes
Member
Knows what's up.
Ocarina_117
Banned
They're different stories.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Jon Snow waited. The torches above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were White Walkers in the castle. He didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Daenarys Targaryen were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
Jon was a nights watch for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the wall and he said to dad ”I want to be on the walls daddy."
Dad said ”No! You will BE KILL BY WHITE WALKERS"
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the wall castle of the Nights Watch he knew there were white walkers.
”This is Dany" the raven(who was bran) crackered. ”You must fight the white walkers!"
So John gotted his wolf sword and blew up the wall.
”HE GOING TO KILL US" said the white walkers
”I will shoot at him" said the night king and he fired the ice missiles. John sworded at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
”No! I must kill the white walkers" he shouted
The raven said ”No, Jon. You are the white walkers"
And then Jon was a zombie.
I'd like one of these planned prequels to be set during The Long Night era. Or at least I'd like more information about it. Was the entire world overrun with Others, and not just Westeros? The World of Ice and Fire makes no mention of dragons during this time, I think, which would seem instrumental in their defeat. Speaking of, I don't really see how they can defeat the white walker army in the show with just three dragons to be honest. They don't have the children of the forest to help them either.
By the time the books eventually release everyone will consider the HBO ending canon.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
"Fewer"
Stannis correcting Jon from beyond the grave.
The CG composition in the battle sequence was occasionally awkward on the wide shots if you know where geographical features are in the real world and your brain is playing a game of 'that's from there, and that's from there, and oooh that's from...'. But other than that this episode was satisfying as hell. Particularly the 'saving private Lannister army' shots of burn wounds inside their helmets, those were a nice touch. The fight itself felt like they had it directed by Sapochnik though, with the crediting simply worked out on technicality. If that's not the case, then it's an impressive case of mimicking style.
Also, while I didn't think of it, I agree with a Reddit post saying Jamie was for a small shot straight up Saint George, which makes sense considering the character. But he already killed a (mad) dragon, it's doubtful he's going to get to kill another.
It felt like Bronn was having a 'fuck the queen' moment at the end, so I'm thinking Jamie's savior is actually Dickon. I don't see Jamie coming out of this 'alright' though. He's not going to stick around for another mad king, but now one with actual dragons, I'd think.
And yeah, the Dothtraki can actually fight, who would have thought? That statement of the blood guard or whatever those guys were called is going to bite them hard in the ass though, since they're obviously going full Reek when faced with someone raising the fucking dead. Imagine if Drogon bit it (a Maester from the Red Keep not using poison? Absurd. No, that mouthbreather is a goner), and then is immediately raised as an undead dragon.
I don't see those superstitious horsemen sticking around to see how that turns out.
Stannis correcting Jon from beyond the grave.
The CG composition in the battle sequence was occasionally awkward on the wide shots if you know where geographical features are in the real world and your brain is playing a game of 'that's from there, and that's from there, and oooh that's from...'. But other than that this episode was satisfying as hell. Particularly the 'saving private Lannister army' shots of burn wounds inside their helmets, those were a nice touch. The fight itself felt like they had it directed by Sapochnik though, with the crediting simply worked out on technicality. If that's not the case, then it's an impressive case of mimicking style.
Also, while I didn't think of it, I agree with a Reddit post saying Jamie was for a small shot straight up Saint George, which makes sense considering the character. But he already killed a (mad) dragon, it's doubtful he's going to get to kill another.
It felt like Bronn was having a 'fuck the queen' moment at the end, so I'm thinking Jamie's savior is actually Dickon. I don't see Jamie coming out of this 'alright' though. He's not going to stick around for another mad king, but now one with actual dragons, I'd think.
And yeah, the Dothtraki can actually fight, who would have thought? That statement of the blood guard or whatever those guys were called is going to bite them hard in the ass though, since they're obviously going full Reek when faced with someone raising the fucking dead. Imagine if Drogon bit it (a Maester from the Red Keep not using poison? Absurd. No, that mouthbreather is a goner), and then is immediately raised as an undead dragon.
I don't see those superstitious horsemen sticking around to see how that turns out.
unless it breathes ice, a dragon cannot be turned under the 'fire destroys the dead' rule though. Perhaps that was why the WW started moving in the first place: they figured the coast was clear and oh what is tha- *flames*
Ocarina_117
Banned
Nah, it's a Fullmetal Alchemist situation.
The original authors vision will always be the true ending, most likely the better ending.
It'd be super weird for the book fans to think of something else as canon.
The Artisan
Member
really?
i'm sorry man
two different storylines? would GRRM really approve of a different ending? i don't think so. this is still a song of ice and fire
Yeah they'll have to but to be fair, just from what i've heard, sometimes the books are not that good and sometimes the show does things better.
i still believe though that this show is genius because of GRRM but I really wonder how much of season 6/7/8 is them and not GRRM
Psychoward
Banned
So uh
The unsullied have no food and a greyjoy fleet at their door
How are they gonna survive at all and why didn't Dany use a dragon on euron's fleet first
Furthermore without any scouting parties and without dragons how did dany know exactly what road the lannister army would be on
Also can dragons not attack unless someone is riding them or what, why doesn't she ever use the other two beasties
How does she stay on the dragon without falling off when it tumbles
How did Jaime seemingly survive going underwater with a metal hand and strapped in plate armor
Why was Tyrion there
How did the dothraki manage to get on ships and get on land without attracting any attention and how did they do it fast enough to intercept the lannisters before they got back to KL, since it was a few days after the siege of highgarden that they even mobilized
The unsullied have no food and a greyjoy fleet at their door
How are they gonna survive at all and why didn't Dany use a dragon on euron's fleet first
Furthermore without any scouting parties and without dragons how did dany know exactly what road the lannister army would be on
Also can dragons not attack unless someone is riding them or what, why doesn't she ever use the other two beasties
How does she stay on the dragon without falling off when it tumbles
How did Jaime seemingly survive going underwater with a metal hand and strapped in plate armor
Why was Tyrion there
How did the dothraki manage to get on ships and get on land without attracting any attention and how did they do it fast enough to intercept the lannisters before they got back to KL, since it was a few days after the siege of highgarden that they even mobilized
Certain characters that D&D had some affinity for are improved in the shows characterization. Cersei, Robert and the Hound are good examples of this. Bronn and Osha as well.
Possibly Ned Stark as well but I'd give Sean Bean most of the credit for that.
You're very adamant about something we know nothing about. Why do you assume two stories with different characters, themes, and plot beats in different mediums will have identical endings?
Psychoward
Banned
Yeah I'm not sure how you can say that when you haven't even read the books. It may be a similar ending chapter but there's completely different plot threads in the books that the show doesn't even have.
really?
i'm sorry man
two different storylines? would GRRM really approve of a different ending? i don't think so. this is still a song of ice and fire
Yeah they'll have to but to be fair, just from what i've heard, sometimes the books are not that good and sometimes the show does things better.
i still believe though that this show is genius because of GRRM but I really wonder how much of season 6/7/8 is them and not GRRM
Almost none of the current season is GRRM, I can assure you that.
And GRRM doesn't approve anything at HBO. He has no say. D&D make all the decisions.
demosthenes
Member
1) The Unsullied will have to go east to regroup with Dany. They'll be able to find food.
2) Because we need to prop Cersei up.
3) The road from Highgarden to King's Landing is a single road.
4) Budget
5) Strong grip
6) Probably exagerated for cliffhanger. He's probably fished out right away.
7) Because Dany said off screen "Let's go burn some Lannister's" and Tyiron wanted to be there for obvious reasons.
8) Highgarden to King's Landing is FAR. It's bullshit that Euron got to Casterly Rock so fast, not that Dany intercepted Lannister's outside KL.