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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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The Artisan
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it's pretty convenient how all the gold made it over before Dany got there, while the actual army is still in the open field.
ClosingADoor
Member
I imagine the gold being rushed to King's Landing for the exact reason that they didn't want to run into an ambush or have it on the open road for too long.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
what's the deal with that lake, anyway? it looked like a shallow pool, but apparently it's a goddamn abyss like 7 feet from the edge.
ClosingADoor
Member
Bronn's money was there, plenty of loot!
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
Unless I missed something the gold hadn't got back yet. Cersei was talking to Mycroft from the Iron Bank about the gold arriving, not having arrived. Unless they said something before the Dothraki turned up about the gold being gone I'd assume it was still in the train.
Future PhaZe
Member
If Dany had stolen the gold the war would have been over right then and there.
I'm very pleased with the balance of this war so far. Was anticipating a blow out.
I'm very pleased with the balance of this war so far. Was anticipating a blow out.
ClosingADoor
Member
"All the gold safely through the gates at King's Landing." It is said in the scene before the battle starts with Jaime, Bronn and that older dude.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
I thought it was the gold too but I suppose there is other loot besides gold from the battle including those barrels of whatever. Cersei will pay back her debts and then be back to being broke.
Cpt.Underpants
Member
Nah Randyl tarly mentioned that the gold made it safely inside kings landing
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Maybe it was carrying Fruit Loots. Sorry, I'm really sick and haven't slept in 24 hours.
After the last episode, which in my mind definitely portrayed Dany and her forces as the villains, I'm hopeful that the writers do something a bit more interesting with the series finale than just men vs. the undead. In my ideal world, the WWs get wiped out at the end of this season/the beginning of S8, and the series culminates with Daenarys going insane, and the houses of Westeros reuniting once again against the Targaryen house.
Just really not interested at all in S8 being fantasy WWZ.
Just really not interested at all in S8 being fantasy WWZ.
Discotheque
Banned
lmao. fat chance of that.
Thug Waffle
Member
too bad
Apparently another screenplay from a future episode is also part of the leak? Best be careful out there. The ransomers are demanding $6 million, lol. Fat chance HBO will cave to their demands.
wut
That is what the show has been building towards. And Dany isn't a villain, they're at war. What the fuck is this alternate dimension where the Lannisters are the heroes of the story.
wut
That is what the show has been building towards. And Dany isn't a villain, they're at war. What the fuck is this alternate dimension where the Lannisters are the heroes of the story.
I actually have a feeling the finale of the series will not be men vs undead. A chunk of the final season will definitely be that though.
Discotheque
Banned
that 'horrors of war' scene with the burning soldiers sure doing a number on some people making them sympathize with Lannisters now.
i think there could be an interesting thread there with Daenerys getting power hungry and being viewed as another mad targaryen though. but ultimately fighting those urges.
...through the power of love with Jon Snow.
i think there could be an interesting thread there with Daenerys getting power hungry and being viewed as another mad targaryen though. but ultimately fighting those urges.
...through the power of love with Jon Snow.
toastyToast
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The finale will jump 10,000 years into the future and show how Westeros was Earth all along.
It's a faked balance though. Tyrion's idea of not immediately assaulting Kings Landing makes no sense and the plan of taking the Sand Snakes to Dorne to rally troops when they have already landed in Dragonstone made even less sense. The writers are jumping through hoops to try to make the war 'fair'.
Don't know if anyone did it before but I tried to remember what was the state of each army in Westeros, mixing books and show there
Stark : Well we heard from Jon and Davos that they have <10k
Lannister : At the beginning Tywin said he gave Jaime half of his army to go fight the Stark, the whole army was 60k. From there Jaime probably lost a good chunk of it, I don't know if part of the Lannister army was involved in Blackwater, however they probably lost a bit during the Riverrun siege, a few thousands were probably lost when the Unsullied took Casterly Rock also.
Overall ~25-30k might give a rough idea of what they had left before this episode
Tyrrel : I think at the beginning the number of 100 000 soldiers was mentionned, it also included a few Baratheon (some going for Stannis afterwards and some... going home I guess) they might have lost a few at Blackwater but not much, Tarly did some battles he won on the book but not on the show, overall the number shouldn't have changed that much so <80k (Tarly included)
Considering Tarly is a vassal to House Tyrell, anything above 20k for his own army would be ludicrous imo
Martell : Can't remember the exact number but I think it was around 40-60k in the book, they never fought a single battle, only Oberyn was killed and Sand Snakes & cie only had a small Martell escort with them as far as we know
So <50k
Arryn : Outside the battle of bastards where they just crushed the Bolton they didn't fight another battle, from the 7 houses I think it was one of the smaller army from the start like 20-30k, that number probably didn't change much
Baratheon : Nothing left in the show I guess lol (Stormsland is probably empty like Dragonston was!), in the book Stannis still have something like 5-15k iirc
Greyjoy: Big unknown as I can't remember any number being mentioned at any point, though asides from Theon and Asha/Yara who lost a few hundreds men in the north they are pretty much untouched at this point
In the show we have the 1.000 ships number (lol), stupid maths tell me there should be between 15-30 people by ship so it makes <25k
Targaryen: 100k Dothraki I think (or even more?) and the Unsullied which were around 10k at the beginning probably less now
So <110k I think
Daenerys was so powerful at the end of S6 that she had to be nerfed somehow, but it clearly wasn't done in a subtle way.
Stark : Well we heard from Jon and Davos that they have <10k
Lannister : At the beginning Tywin said he gave Jaime half of his army to go fight the Stark, the whole army was 60k. From there Jaime probably lost a good chunk of it, I don't know if part of the Lannister army was involved in Blackwater, however they probably lost a bit during the Riverrun siege, a few thousands were probably lost when the Unsullied took Casterly Rock also.
Overall ~25-30k might give a rough idea of what they had left before this episode
Tyrrel : I think at the beginning the number of 100 000 soldiers was mentionned, it also included a few Baratheon (some going for Stannis afterwards and some... going home I guess) they might have lost a few at Blackwater but not much, Tarly did some battles he won on the book but not on the show, overall the number shouldn't have changed that much so <80k (Tarly included)
Considering Tarly is a vassal to House Tyrell, anything above 20k for his own army would be ludicrous imo
Martell : Can't remember the exact number but I think it was around 40-60k in the book, they never fought a single battle, only Oberyn was killed and Sand Snakes & cie only had a small Martell escort with them as far as we know
So <50k
Arryn : Outside the battle of bastards where they just crushed the Bolton they didn't fight another battle, from the 7 houses I think it was one of the smaller army from the start like 20-30k, that number probably didn't change much
Baratheon : Nothing left in the show I guess lol (Stormsland is probably empty like Dragonston was!), in the book Stannis still have something like 5-15k iirc
Greyjoy: Big unknown as I can't remember any number being mentioned at any point, though asides from Theon and Asha/Yara who lost a few hundreds men in the north they are pretty much untouched at this point
In the show we have the 1.000 ships number (lol), stupid maths tell me there should be between 15-30 people by ship so it makes <25k
Targaryen: 100k Dothraki I think (or even more?) and the Unsullied which were around 10k at the beginning probably less now
So <110k I think
Daenerys was so powerful at the end of S6 that she had to be nerfed somehow, but it clearly wasn't done in a subtle way.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It would turn expectations upside down, so that would definitely be a possibility.
"Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin." There's been too many hints from Dany to suggest that it landed on the same side as with Rhaegar; let's not forget that for much of his life, Aerys was ostensibly sane, and only earned his Mad King moniker later on. Dany's showing hints of descending into cruelty and madness: her first instinct is to burn everyone, she's obsessed with people bending the knee or being destroyed, she's brought over a marauding band of barbarians to Westeros. I'm also going off the books, in which I think her onset madness is quite strongly alluded to a fair few times. In what alternate dimension does anybody see her as the hero of the story?
The WW conflict is too easy. Perhaps I'm giving D&D too much credit, but if they're broadly sticking to the endgame GRRM mapped out, I really can't see him ending the series with a straight-up LotR style battle between the forces of good and evil.
I'm no Dany stan, but I'm fed up of people calling her the Mad Queen. It makes no sense. And preview spoilers:
She's giving the Lannister army the exact same choice Aegon the Conqueror gave to the people he defeated.
Fake drama sounds about right for this season. Not using the dragons is just the stupidest, most idiotic shit. Show Tyrion is a moron.
And nevermind Tarly conveniently mentioning in passing that the gold is secure. So much about this season is really inelegant. The high point of this is definitely the cave paintings though.
I think the invasion of the White Walkers can be seen as a great earthquake or typhoon. A huge disaster which has been forecast and time is running out. And it will arrive and hit hard, but even as man unite against it, there will be those left who want to take advantage of the situation, either out of bitterness or delusion that they can snatch victory from the opportunity. The White Walkers will be defeated, but the real threat in the end is still human in nature. Maybe in the books it will be a different set of parties at the end, but in the show, it's very clearly going to be Dany vs Cersei.
Wait, is this all the loot from Highgarden? Is that why it is called the loot train? because they literally looted the stores of Highgarden after taking it?
Wait, is this all the loot from Highgarden? Is that why it is called the loot train? because they literally looted the stores of Highgarden after taking it?
Memento Mori
Member
Loot doesn't have to be money, it's anything you've taken from a defeated enemy. Sizeable food stores for winter are more valuable than money at this point.
I'm mostly wondering after last episode where the hell Dany got that many ships to ferry over all those Dothraki. I mean, Tyrion or Varys (don't remember) said they lost pretty much the entire Greyjoy fleet when Euron attacked the Sand Snakes, then they lost god knows how many ships to Euron's fleet at Casterly Rock, but somehow they still had enough boats to get a huge Dothraki army + horses across?
Yes. Randyll Tarly literally said the granaries were being emptied.
There's nothing about Dany that makes her seem crazy or starting to go crazy. She's not burning people for pleasure or for no reason. It's war. The dragons are effectively a weapon. Her "marauding band of barbarians" is her army. I have no idea how that maker her insane.
Insisting Jon Snow to bend the knee is pretty dumb, but (preview spoilers)
the offer she gives to the conquered soldiers seems sensible to me. What else she gonna do? Put them in shackles? Keep them and feed them as POWs? Let them go scotch-free so that they can attack her again at some point in the future? This is a brutal, medieval world, and she needs soldiers. Using the might of her dragons to do it is the most effective way. And it's how Aegon conquered Westeros anyway.
Anyway, I'm not sure I can take someone seriously that's trying to paint the fucking Lannisters as the heroes.
THANK YOU. The mystery is solved and I can sleep easy tonight.
Memento Mori
Member
Yeah they stripped Highgarden of all gold and supplies. Gold was sent to King's Landing first to pay the Iron Bank and the supplies were following up behind.
The Dothraki were stationed at Dragonstone, I think. They just crossed the Reach on foot over to the Lannister army... I guess?
It wouldn't have been a mystery if you actually paid attention to the show.
ClosingADoor
Member
Dragonstone is on an island.
Dragonstone is on an island though, so she would have had to use ships to get them on land.
You must really miss LF's brothel scenes.
Oh, lol.
Well I hear horses are good swimmers!
I guess, logistically, nothing about this season makes any sense.
Chill out bro it's just a fantasy story. Doesn't even have to be that she's mad, per se, but she's brutal and egomaniacal; not a ruler, but a conqueror. We'll have to see how it plays out, but I'm not sure I'd be satisfied if the series ends with her unopposed and sat on the Iron Throne.
Straight from the episode:
Tyrion: "We still have enough ships to carry the Dothraki to the main land."
Can we have a third thread with people who actually pay attention?
I don't think there will be an Iron Throne at all at the end of the show.
LordKasual
Banned
I'm friends with alot of people who are absolutely in love with Dany
But I don't understand how anyone couldn't have been slightly disturbed by her megalomaniacal speech to Jon about how she only has faith in herself and is destined to rule the seven kingdoms and threats to brand Jon an enemy if he doesn't comply.
Of course, she has hints of a genuine desire to do the right thing. But at this point, it's really difficult to tell if she does that because it benefits her, or if she actually genuinely wants to make the world a better place.
Dany's personality is a strange one. I'd say that such a theory that she's going mad is a bit stupid for the shows, but it honestly would not surprise me all that much. The only thing currently stopping her from going on rampage are her advisers.
I think the most telling merit to this theory is what Dany said when she left her Dothraki dick behind to sail to Westeros.
"The scary part is how i don't even really care", or something along those lines. I can see her getting to a position of absolute power, and then when her followers lose their worth, she slowly begins to heel turn.
toastyToast
Member
Maybe the bulk of the Dothraki forces disembarked in the South. I mean, where was Dany hiding one hundred thousand people? There would have been a tent city on Dragonstone otherwise ¯\_(ツ_/¯
_/¯NintendosBooger
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The gold arrived at King's Landing but Cersei hasn't given it to the Iron Bank yet and after the costly defeat at Highgarden she now might be reluctant to pay.