Plus, has Martin even written the ending? How could they perfectly adapt something that doesn't exist yet?
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Plus, has Martin even written the ending? How could they perfectly adapt something that doesn't exist yet?
Ocarina_117
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Major stories like Sansa are nothing alike. Then you add in Davos looking for Rickon, Jon dying without ever facing a white walker, Jaimie's story in the riverlands, Aegon Targeryan at Storms End with the golden company and possibly gaining the support of dorne. Mereene is a whole other mess at this moment. And my boy cold hands, the Mannis, Lady Stoneheart.
Haven't even gotten into the craziness that is book Euron.
Though the very ending may be similar, with much fewer characters, a lot of the major plot points getting there will be very different.
Haven't even gotten into the craziness that is book Euron.
Though the very ending may be similar, with much fewer characters, a lot of the major plot points getting there will be very different.
demosthenes
Member
D&D: How is the story going to end?
GRRM: Well I think this is the general outcome. These people die, these people live.
D&D: Thanks, we'll fill in the rest!
Admiral Woofington
Member
GRRM: *watches show* hmmmmmmmmmmm. NOPE CHANGED MIND
*throws everything to fireplace*
*throws everything to fireplace*
Psychoward
Banned
Thanks, glad my nitpicks were torn apart as this episode was the best of the season.
Pretty much :/
Speaking of fucked up character arcs how messed up is it gonna be if Jaime only starts to turn on Cersei because of Stockholm syndrome with dany
The Artisan
Member
Word. Also, these took place still back when we had books to go off of.
i don't think it'll be identical; it is an adaptation, after all. but there are adaptations that are famous for having synonymous identity with its source material. harry potter, for example. the actors are synonymous with their characters, and when the first movie was adapted they even used the unique book logos right on the films.
I kinda hate this
So, the ending we get will not at all be what GRRM intended? Won't he be upset about that? It fucking makes me upset and I haven't even read the books
demosthenes
Member
I think Cersei will get more desperate and do something that harms innocents. I'm sure Jamie hates Danny, but she targeted soldiers. He cared about the Sept but they were their enemies. He said to Olena "when nobody is left to oppose is will they care how we created the world". If she attacks random people in KL or puts them at risk I think it will cause him to leave. He killed the mad king for threatening innocents. He stayed with his soldiers, common men. Dany will stick to armies and Cersei will go for the public.
H.Cornerstone
Member
Yes. Martin had said many times he knows the ending but he doesn't yet know how he will get there, and D&D know this ending
GRRM worked in TV for years. He knows and has anticipated the show and the books being very different since day 1.
I think he'd actually like having a different ending.
The Artisan
Member
D&D are completely ignoring the OG ending???
The Artisan
Member
If they're going for a different ending and it's all starting from a setback that he hasn't finished the books, it just feels so unsatisfying to me. In the end then it's not even an adaptation anymore it's all original HBO shit.
demosthenes
Member
Stuff that's going on in the show will happen in the books, I'm sure of it. It might be a different character but some things WILL happen. A lot has been condensed. Frey's getting killed will most likely happen a lot more by Lady Stoneheart than Arya.
I believe the ending will be very similar but with differences.
How did you get that from what he said? GRRM told D&D the ending. GRRM has to write to the ending. Of course it's not an adaptation, there are 2, possibly 3 books to come out. You get so annoyed for some reason and you're not even a book reader. Your annoyance is annoying me :lol
We're a decade away from the book ending. Lots of time for things to change.
The Artisan
Member
Most adaptations have a same, with some differences type of ending to their source materials. I'm hoping that'll be the same for this, too.
Yo man I am a book reader I'm just really early on. A game of thrones, one of the Ned chapters about them in the crypts, I think that's where I left off. But I fully intend to catch up with the pack
The show started a decade after the books did, but they were faithful from the start.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Artisan you should deffo speed read through the books
they're sooo good
they're sooo good
IAWTP
BlackSalad
Member
With Jamie presumably in Dany's hands and KL basically cut off from supplies, Cersei is going to do something desperate. She always goes nuts when threatened, well more than usual.
The Artisan
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next time I go home I'll make sure to remember A game of thrones.
just curiously though, when you say speed read you just mean making the books a hobby and priority, right? you don't mean to be on a drug while reading them?
or did you mean read/listen them as audio files?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I don't know what that acronym stands for
I Am Waiting To Pee?
Read as a hobby. I know when I read, it tends to consume me in a good way and I just fly through the chapters because the world created embraces me. Except for really shitty books.
The Artisan
Member
i agree with this post
just google it man lol
Word, yeah I'll definitely have to make it a hobby to read them, no problem. I wanted to read Lord of the Rings too when I was a kid but those books were difficult to read. I felt the same way the first time I tried reading A game of thrones but after now having watched the whole show it'll be easier to read.
All of my imagination for it will be, let's call it, pre-rendered by the tv show.
History has shown time and time again that Westeros is not that lucky.
demosthenes
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Most adaptations are complete before the other medium is started.
There are large book differences. There will be further large differences and there will be some similarities. Just enjoy them as separate
with the books never finishing :lol :lol :lol
The Artisan
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True, but some of said medium are completed before the adaptations; Harry Potter being another example, Walking Dead too maybe but the OG medium is still ongoing too.
If the event happens where the adaptation passes the source like Thrones, then I think the adaptation must continue as faithfully outlined as possible.
Dany has got the hots for Jon. Of course I am enjoying it
Decade? I think you misspelled infinity.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I feel the differences in the show/book are enough for me to just call them a separate thing
The show was already under budget pressure for the second season. I remember Dany's story getting particularly fucked up. The House of the Undying is waaaaaaaaaaaay different.
If the show remained faithful we'd still be trudging through the 4th and 5th books. I can't even imagine how expensive it would be to do the Siege of Mereen just because of the dozens of characters that exist only in the books.
I still have some small hope we finally see the Golden Company in some form since they've been dropping its name for years. Really wish we got Arianne Martell as well.
And Darkstar. Just wait until you get to Darkstar. He's the coolest!
Buba Big Guns
Banned
That battle was amazing. Lannister army better be fucked
The Artisan
Member
I have no idea who any of these people are that you're talking about lol
It's sad to hear so many of these characters never really existed on the show. It's almost like there's no reality for them.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
DARKSTAR
HE LEAPS ON HIS HORSE ONTO EURONS BOAT
AND HE GOES 'I AM THE DARKSTAR'
THEN HE SLASHES EURONS FACE AND LEAPS AWAY INTO THE NIGHT
HIS SWORD IS MADE FROM METEORS
I'VE ONLY MADE UP 1 OF THESE STATEMENTS
HE LEAPS ON HIS HORSE ONTO EURONS BOAT
AND HE GOES 'I AM THE DARKSTAR'
THEN HE SLASHES EURONS FACE AND LEAPS AWAY INTO THE NIGHT
HIS SWORD IS MADE FROM METEORS
I'VE ONLY MADE UP 1 OF THESE STATEMENTS
If GRRM dies, you'll have 20 Winds of Winters to pick from on fanfiction.net within 6 months!
demosthenes
Member
Harry Potter is nowhere near as complex as Game of Thrones and JK has shown to stay committed to writing and getting books out, GRRM has not. Walking Dead is nowhere near the same as they have been butchering characters and arcs from the very beginning.
No, the adaptation doesn't. It's an adaptation. The showrunners can do whatever the hell they want.
The only way the series ends IMO is there will be a general fan consensus on the best fan fictions b/c GRRM will never finish them.
There are 8 Sand Snakes in the book. 8.
Also the warriors of Dorne didn't wear carpet samples.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Jon Snow you shall be the Stump of the King.
The Artisan
Member
I get that Thrones is way more complex but HP and the Walking dead are the only 2 examples I could think of.
Also, the showrunners are getting a lot of bad ass publicity these days. Didn't you hear about their stupid Confederate idea?
I think there are more sand snakes on the show too, just all of them weren't shown prominently.
Carpet samples?
The Artisan
Member
The ending is gonna be bittersweet
If Jon has a kid I hope he names him after Davos, though. Or maybe Matthos.
I'll pick the one where.......... erm..... better not air my fetishes here.
When do you reckon he gardened up Hodor's ending?
There is an OG ending. I think you're misunderstanding how he explains his writing process. He doesn't outline extensively because he feels it limits the progression of the journey. But he definitely has goals in mind and knows where things will end. This is how we ended up with books 4 and 5 to begin with. Because he has a definitely destination for Dany's character arc and story, but he was struggling to move all the pieces around her to get to that point. All of this started when he originally thought it was be good to have a 5 year timeskip to get characters to where he needed them to continue the story, but then obsessively wanted to fill the gap. until he did away with the timeskip, and then he struggled to fill the gap, and while filling the gap he dug up more and more soil, resulting in a huge mess of extra dirt all over and now he's struggling to smooth it all over when he has another half dozen hanging plot threads which probably aren't super relevant to the end game.
For all the major players in the story he knows where he wants them to end up and how the story will ultimately resolve. He believes it is best to discover how they get there naturally while writing the journey. He is getting bad at writing that journey and gets increasingly stuck. So the books will never end. But he definitely has an OG ending which he has shared with D&D.
Admiral Woofington
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Winds of Winter
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Chapter 1
And then everybody died and like the Sword of the Stranger became protagonist.
Gunslinger
Member
If Jon ever has a Kid i am almost 100% sure he will name him Eddard.
And a daughter named Jeor. Jeorlina?
The Artisan
Member
Yeah that is a pretty safe bet. But if he has the kid with Dany then she's gonna have some say on what to name him.
Gunslinger
Member
His mothers name Lyanna I think.
Mr_Antimatter
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Wait, if the unsullied took Casterly Rock, does that mean they have access to it's prisoners? Woudl that mean Edmure Tully is potentially back in action now?
Or do you think the show would have sent him to the red keep instead?
With the frey's dead, and what i'm assuming is a small lannister occupation force holding the riverlands, could she promise to restore him and his family if he bends the knee?
Or do you think the show would have sent him to the red keep instead?
With the frey's dead, and what i'm assuming is a small lannister occupation force holding the riverlands, could she promise to restore him and his family if he bends the knee?
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Is Edmund Tully even at Castley Rock? I feel like they are going to pull a Gendry and never speak of him again.