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[Fuzzy]

I'm sure there was poison in those spears... Qyburn, that clever little man...
Kill poison? Greyscale for dragons? Mind controlling potion? or maybe just fatal damage for Drogon.
I hope the writters don't fuck this up, is will an anazing turn of events.

I hope Drogon is taken out by an infection like Drogo was.

 

[danm999]

Don't know if anyone did it before but I tried to remember what was the state of each army in Westeros, mixing books and show there

Stark : Well we heard from Jon and Davos that they have <10k

Lannister : At the beginning Tywin said he gave Jaime half of his army to go fight the Stark, the whole army was 60k. From there Jaime probably lost a good chunk of it, I don't know if part of the Lannister army was involved in Blackwater, however they probably lost a bit during the Riverrun siege, a few thousands were probably lost when the Unsullied took Casterly Rock also.
Overall ~25-30k might give a rough idea of what they had left before this episode

Tyrrel : I think at the beginning the number of 100 000 soldiers was mentionned, it also included a few Baratheon (some going for Stannis afterwards and some... going home I guess) they might have lost a few at Blackwater but not much, Tarly did some battles he won on the book but not on the show, overall the number shouldn't have changed that much so <80k (Tarly included)
Considering Tarly is a vassal to House Tyrell, anything above 20k for his own army would be ludicrous imo

Martell : Can't remember the exact number but I think it was around 40-60k in the book, they never fought a single battle, only Oberyn was killed and Sand Snakes & cie only had a small Martell escort with them as far as we know
So <50k

Arryn : Outside the battle of bastards where they just crushed the Bolton they didn't fight another battle, from the 7 houses I think it was one of the smaller army from the start like 20-30k, that number probably didn't change much

Baratheon : Nothing left in the show I guess lol (Stormsland is probably empty like Dragonston was!), in the book Stannis still have something like 5-15k iirc

Greyjoy: Big unknown as I can't remember any number being mentioned at any point, though asides from Theon and Asha/Yara who lost a few hundreds men in the north they are pretty much untouched at this point
In the show we have the 1.000 ships number (lol), stupid maths tell me there should be between 15-30 people by ship so it makes <25k

Targaryen: 100k Dothraki I think (or even more?) and the Unsullied which were around 10k at the beginning probably less now
So <110k I think

Daenerys was so powerful at the end of S6 that she had to be nerfed somehow, but it clearly wasn't done in a subtle way.

I mean it's basically a fool's errand at this point trying to run the show logic against book logic.

Take Dorne. They've basically been knocked out of the war even though none of their soldiers have even died. Nobody else in the entire country has any animus or agency apparently.

 

[bobbyrawlins]

It's amazing just how many people get confused/get stuff wrong when it's straight from the episode. So many posts on reddit as well about the all the gold getting burned up.

Stay off your phone! GoT deserves your full attention!

 

[Fuzzy]

I mean it's basically a fool's errand at this point trying to run the show logic against book logic.

Take Dorne. They've basically been knocked out of the war even though none of their soldiers have even died. Nobody else in the entire country has any animus or agency apparently.

The other 5 sand snakes don't give a shit their sisters were killed.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

no wonder the show dumbs everything down when people can't recall what happened to the gold even when the characters STRAIGHT UP TELL YOU

 

[Fisico]

I mean it's basically a fool's errand at this point trying to run the show logic against book logic.

Take Dorne. They've basically been knocked out of the war even though none of their soldiers have even died. Nobody else in the entire country has any animus or agency apparently.

I only used both to have an idea of rough numbers, show and books don't contradict each other (yet) regarding the state of each army.

 

[MudoSkills]

When is Syrio coming back?

 

[johancruijff]

"Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin." There's been too many hints from Dany to suggest that it landed on the same side as with Rhaegar; let's not forget that for much of his life, Aerys was ostensibly sane, and only earned his Mad King moniker later on. Dany's showing hints of descending into cruelty and madness: her first instinct is to burn everyone, she's obsessed with people bending the knee or being destroyed, she's brought over a marauding band of barbarians to Westeros. I'm also going off the books, in which I think her onset madness is quite strongly alluded to a fair few times. In what alternate dimension does anybody see her as the hero of the story?

The WW conflict is too easy. Perhaps I'm giving D&D too much credit, but if they're broadly sticking to the endgame GRRM mapped out, I really can't see him ending the series with a straight-up LotR style battle between the forces of good and evil.

didn't Aerys became mad because he made some warging with the three eyed raven? i kinda remember something like that

i know at this point the show is detached, but still

 

[danm999]

The other 5 sand snakes don't give a shit their sisters were killed.

Nobody in Dorne does apparently. Or is my memory terrible and the Dornish are super chill about their nobles being murdered?

Seriously you could have had a throwaway line spoken by I dunno, Varys;

"Without Ellaria and the Sand Snakes to lead them, the Dornish lords have begun fighting amongst themselves your grace. They will be able to provide us no aid in your war for the Iron Throne".

Instead a country full of people disappears.

I only used both to have an idea of rough numbers, show and books don't contradict each other (yet) regarding the state of each army.

I meant in the sense that the Dornish army that exists in the book for all intents and purposes does not exist in the show anymore for no reason.

 

[Ingeniero]

didn't Aerys became mad because he made some warging with the three eyed raven? i kinda remember something like that

i know at this point the show is detached, but still

I think he went mad when he was taken hostage in some inn or small castle, and recued by Selmy.

 

[trembli0s]

Finally watched the episode. Adrenaline was pumping when that first fireball hit the Lannister lines.

That said, you have to know that the Iron Bank is about to betray the hell out of Cersei. There isn't a winning play with 3 dragons for the bank that involves getting your money back with interest if you finance Dany's enemies.

 

[Gunslinger]

Nobody in Dorne does apparently. Or is my memory terrible and the Dornish are super chill about their nobles being murdered?

Seriously you could have had a throwaway line spoken by I dunno, Varys;

"Without Ellaria and the Sand Snakes to lead them, the Dornish lords have begun fighting amongst themselves your grace. They will be able to provide us no aid in your war for the Iron Throne".

Instead a country full of people disappears.



I meant in the sense that the Dornish army that exists in the book for all intents and purposes does not exist in the show anymore for no reason.

Yeah the way Dorne was handled in this show is absolutely terrible.

 

[hemo memo]

no wonder the show dumbs everything down when people can't recall what happened to the gold even when the characters STRAIGHT UP TELL YOU

I don’t know why many missed and me too. Maybe it was the scene that made you focus on something else.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Why wouldn't Jamie, or Bron, escort the much more crucial gold shipment? Rhetorical question, if he done that then he wouldn't have been there for the battle!

 

[danm999]

Yeah the way Dorne was handled in this show is absolutely terrible.

It pretty much ranks up there with the lack of Victarion as one of the biggest mistakes in the adaptation IMO.

 

[Fuzzy]

I don’t know why many missed and me too. Maybe it was the scene that made you focus on something else.

There was nothing else to pull attention. People just don't pay attention.

 

[Fisico]

Why wouldn't Jamie, or Bron, escort the much more crucial gold shipment? Rhetorical question, if he done that then he wouldn't have been there for the battle!

Well the gold was the top priority so it was an express wagon while the bulk of the army is more slower and it makes sense for the commander to stay with them.

It would have make sense for Bron to escort it though but Jaime likes to hang with him.
They also needed Bron for the Scorpio and cliffhanger scenes, too important scenes to gave them to Dickon.

 

[Dabanton]

There was nothing else to pull attention. People just don't pay attention.

As seen in both the GoT threads on here and any GoT thread across the interwebs some people are constantly posting whilst the show is live.

And taking their eyes/attention away from the show. This isn't the first time people have missed pretty clear details.

Personally for me any show that requires your attention like this my phone is down and laptop closed.

I can post after the episode ends.

 

[Aiii]

Two days later and I'm still at a complete loss as to why they didn't have Bronn die in this fight. I hope he still has a larger role to play, because if they quietly usher him out the door later or just have him die in a later battle that just seems like a wasted opportunity to have him be the focus climax (besides yay dragons!) of this battle.

 

[Gunslinger]

It pretty much ranks up there with the lack of Victarion as one of the biggest mistakes in the adaptation IMO.

Yeah without him it doesn't make sense why Euron was Banished in the show.

 

[SummitAve]

Will the Iron Bank dude even be able to cash that check from the wrong side of the ocean? Seems like any gold carrying ship would be under threat of a dragon.

 

[Anoregon]

Will the Iron Bank dude even be able to cash that check from the wrong side of the ocean? Seems like any gold carrying ship would be under threat of a dragon.

Fucking with the Iron Bank isn't a smart move for anyone in Westeros/Essos. At that point it's not Lannister money anymore, Dany would be directly attacking the bank.

 

[Fuzzy]

As seen in both the GoT threads on here and any GoT thread across the interwebs some people are constantly posting whilst the show is live.

And taking their eyes/attention away from the show. This isn't the first time people have missed pretty clear details.

Personally for me any show that requires your attention like this my phone is down and laptop closed.

I can post after the episode ends.

Yeah, I stopped posting during airing a long time ago. I come back after the episode is over or even the next day.

 

[jett]

Man the other thread is more than doubling this one's post count. Used to be the other way around once. I guess it's either a testament to the show's increased popularity, or to the disinterest of book readers.

 

[Fuzzy]

Man the other thread is more than doubling this one's post count. Used to be the other way around once. I guess it's either a testament to the show's increased popularity, or to the disinterest of book readers.

The other thread doesn't have the quality fanfic this one does.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Nevermind any of that. Why is it called a loot train if there's no loot? You don't call a supply train a loot train! This really bothers me for some reason.... lol!

It's all shit they took from villagers and stuff.

 

[Aiii]

Man the other thread is more than doubling this one's post count. Used to be the other way around once. I guess it's either a testament to the show's increased popularity, or to the disinterest of book readers.

No, it's a testament to GRRM's procrastination.

There's no reason to have this thread now, the story has moved past the books and now the other thread has all of the posters in this thread as well as all the posters that just post there. Instead of the other thread previously being a minefield for book readers in fear of spoiling something and thus a thread to avoid.

 

[Betty]

No, it's a testament to GRRM's procrastination.

There's no reason to have this thread now, the story has moved past the books and now the other thread has all of the posters in this thread as well as all the posters that just post there. Instead of the other thread previously being a minefield for book readers in fear of spoiling something and thus a thread to avoid.

Basically, I mean the only major thing we can spoil for non-book readers is Lady Stone Heart, which isn't even going to be appear in the show.

 

[rashbeep]

No, it's a testament to GRRM's procrastination.

There's no reason to have this thread now, the story has moved past the books and now the other thread has all of the posters in this thread as well as all the posters that just post there. Instead of the other thread previously being a minefield for book readers in fear of spoiling something and thus a thread to avoid.

people seem to lose their shit in there any time you post anything even remotely related to the books, spoilers or not.

 

[Aiii]

people seem to lose their shit in there any time you post anything even remotely related to the books, spoilers or not.

Point is it makes no sense to post about the books.

What are you gonna post? How Bronn has a castle in the books? Doesn't matter. How Nymeria is an actual character in the books? Doesn't matter. How Sansa is actually getting empowered in the books? Doesn't matter.

Nothing in the books matter, it's a completely different thing, it has no bearing on the show discussion at this point in my mind.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

No, it's a testament to GRRM's procrastination.

There's no reason to have this thread now, the story has moved past the books and now the other thread has all of the posters in this thread as well as all the posters that just post there. Instead of the other thread previously being a minefield for book readers in fear of spoiling something and thus a thread to avoid.

I guess they want to keep book whining separate, as to avoid fights. I'm sure there has been mod discussion about it, and I'm sure they have a valid reason for doing it. I'm also sure that several mods have read the series, and are aware that there's nothing left to spoil.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Basically, I mean the only major thing we can spoil for non-book readers is Lady Stone Heart, which isn't even going to be appear in the show.

Mm I can see the Night King taunting Bran with a vision of a White Walker'd Stark...

Would be a nice little callback &#128514; #foreverholdingouthope

 

[John Dunbar]

do you think we are going to get any word on how meereen/slaver's bay is doing without dany, or are we supposed to just forget that unfortunate chapter in the story entirely?

 

[WaffleTaco]

Basically, I mean the only major thing we can spoil for non-book readers is Lady Stone Heart, which isn't even going to be appear in the show.

All of Faegon's plot though

do you think we are going to get any word on how meereen/slaver's bay is doing without dany, or are we supposed to just forget that unfortunate chapter in the story entirely?

Darrio got it under control.

 

[jett]

do you think we are going to get any word on how meereen/slaver's bay is doing without dany, or are we supposed to just forget that unfortunate chapter in the story entirely?

The people of Essos and Dorne went back to their home planet.

No, it's a testament to GRRM's procrastination.

There's no reason to have this thread now, the story has moved past the books and now the other thread has all of the posters in this thread as well as all the posters that just post there. Instead of the other thread previously being a minefield for book readers in fear of spoiling something and thus a thread to avoid.

I once also wondered about the need of two threads, but Cornballer brought up a valid point in that two separate communities have been forming independently for seven years.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

do you think we are going to get any word on how meereen/slaver's bay is doing without dany, or are we supposed to just forget that unfortunate chapter in the story entirely?

no just dont think about it

 

[WaffleTaco]

Do we really want people who don't read books in this thread?

 

[Fuzzy]

Do we really want people who don't read books in this thread?

We already have them. We also have people who don't pay attention to the show.

 

[WaffleTaco]

We already have them. We also have people who don't pay attention to the show.

 

[MudoSkills]

We already have them. We also have people who don't pay attention to the show.

I'M SORRY. IT WAS ONE LINE AND THEN THERE WAS A DOTHRAKI HORDE AND A DRAGON. I FORGOT ABOUT THE GOLD.

 

[hemo memo]

Do we really want people who don't read books in this thread?

I’m not welcome I guess.

 

[Fuzzy]

Looks like we also have people who don't know how to post images on GAF.

 

[WaffleTaco]

Looks like we also have people who don't know how to post images on GAF.

It's very confusing and I am trying to fix it! Lol

 

[Patriots7]

Yeah the way Dorne was handled in this show is absolutely terrible.

Dorne was ugh. But the North was equally as terrible. The Northern Conspiracy was literally boiled down to an old lady saying "The North Remembers" and getting flayed an episode later.

 

[WaffleTaco]

I’m not welcome I guess.

 

[hemo memo]

Yeesh...

 

[Syrus]

Book readers.

Why is the Iron Bank Feared?

Do they have a huge army that they can attack anyone who doesnt pay?? And if so why dont they conquer lands?

 

[chicken_pasta]

Book readers.

Why is the Iron Bank Feared?

Do they have a huge army that they can attack anyone who doesnt pay?? And if so why dont they conquer lands?

They have gold, which, just like in real life, is enough to fuck everyone up.

 

[jett]

I'm not welcome I guess.

All are welcome!

 

[Anoregon]

Book readers.

Why is the Iron Bank Feared?

Do they have a huge army that they can attack anyone who doesnt pay?? And if so why dont they conquer lands?

No huge army per se, but they can hire any and all of the mercenary companies in Essos at the drop of a hat, as well as finance the enemies of whoever is causing them problems.

They don't conquer lands because they have no interest in conquering lands.