hydrophilic attack
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i liked how the sex scene was done while bran was telling us how they were related
so we'd all be creeped out
so we'd all be creeped out
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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Tormund had the exact right reaction when that fucker came out. Honestly, that's a leader I'd follow. He knows when to beat it and when to stay put.
Wtf. That was Ned. Did you even watch last season?
Pretty sure it was Elia Martell. For context, right after that quote Rhaegar says the whole "there must be one more, the dragon has three heads" thing that doesn't exist in the show.
Edit: ah, my sarcasm detector was broke lol
I thought everything in King's Landing was extremely shaky - as in, the writing was simplistic (Cersei goes from utter scepticism to 'oh so it's all real' in 2 seconds) and corny (reunion after reunion, 'it's good to see you again, ya cunt!' type dialogue) - but the episode found some kind of graceful tone towards the end despite the writing generally now being quite bad across the board. The way they cut between the Aegon/Jon reveal and the present sex between him and Daenerys was quite good - it's a level of perverse intrigue that the show used to display regularly, interesting mixed feelings while watching it.
Littlefinger's death did nothing for me, his character has been marginalised to the point where he didn't matter anymore. Arya and Sansa's plotline resolved exactly as expected - in fact, everything went exactly as expected, taking the correct amount of time to do so.
Most of the good characters from earlier seasons have either been pretty much destroyed (Tyrion, he's a shell of what he was) or are so out of focus they are only there because they happen not to have died yet (ie Varys).
The good moments now come from characters who were less interesting in earlier seasons - I was oddly engaged by Theon's stuff this week, despite never caring before. Sam was fun, Jon is somehow compelling to watch now despite being exactly the same as he ever was.
As for the night king stuff, couldn't care less. Never did, I didn't expect it to become the sole focus of the show the way it has, but I suppose that is what their idea of a grand finale is and it's either get on board or stop watching.
So, it was a predictable and badly written finale to a season that shared the same traits overall, but there were a few decent moments.
Littlefinger's death did nothing for me, his character has been marginalised to the point where he didn't matter anymore. Arya and Sansa's plotline resolved exactly as expected - in fact, everything went exactly as expected, taking the correct amount of time to do so.
Most of the good characters from earlier seasons have either been pretty much destroyed (Tyrion, he's a shell of what he was) or are so out of focus they are only there because they happen not to have died yet (ie Varys).
The good moments now come from characters who were less interesting in earlier seasons - I was oddly engaged by Theon's stuff this week, despite never caring before. Sam was fun, Jon is somehow compelling to watch now despite being exactly the same as he ever was.
As for the night king stuff, couldn't care less. Never did, I didn't expect it to become the sole focus of the show the way it has, but I suppose that is what their idea of a grand finale is and it's either get on board or stop watching.
So, it was a predictable and badly written finale to a season that shared the same traits overall, but there were a few decent moments.
He has the broad strokes yes. He could change his mind on stuff, that is his prerogative. He definitely told D&D an ending though and there is no reason to believe they aren't following the major points on his roadmap.
I was mocking that poster bringing in a book prophesy that doesn't exist in the show.
Exactly.
But this is not the first time dragons have existed.
Why not try after Aegons conquest.
Although I wonder if the books will have the wall fall with the horn of jaromun(sp?)
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
It's not a rumor, they absolutely hate each other.
Dusk Soldier
Member
not really. It was done because incest porn is the most searched type of porn on the internet. They're just giving general audiences what they want.
Victory Red
Member
I guess you have to decide which points are "major" that GRRM told them and are crucial to the plot. Th Winterfell shit? Nah I don't buy it.
toddhunter
Member
You never thought the night king would become the focus of the show? Let me guess, you are still waiting for Stannis to come back right?
Yeah
First of all, I'm sorry for precipitating people being possibly spoiled earlier this week
Second of all
Sweet I didn't spoil anyone because there wasn't any match on action between Rhaegar+Lyanna/Jon+Danaerys sex scenes
And thank god, because that would be one fist bump over the split in the frame between Jon and Rhaegar short of the butt end of an easy joke
But they somehow made it even worse by straight up highlighting the creepiness of the situation with voiceover during the act itself.
I thought they were just going to be stupid and draw some dumb surface-level parallels,
but they went full weird.
Forsaken82
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IT was done to remind the audience that the Targaryans banged their own blood and to make them question whether they are truly any better for the throne than Cersei Lannister is knowing she also banged her brother.
iShouldGoPro
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i like how the dragon has punctures in his wings and shit. pretty cool.
i'm very interested in where GRRM is going to go with this in Winds.
why would Rhaegar have two sons named Aegon? i feel like Lyanna was being very selfish on her deathbed.. she was retconning Elia's son Aegon as she was dying.
not very nice
i'm very interested in where GRRM is going to go with this in Winds.
why would Rhaegar have two sons named Aegon? i feel like Lyanna was being very selfish on her deathbed.. she was retconning Elia's son Aegon as she was dying.
not very nice
I mean he watched Sansa and Ramsay. Dude is a grade A perv!
If this was an earlier season we would've had a Bronn/Pod scene at a brothel.
From what I read of what D&D has said, they actually had their own ending in mind when working on the series early on, around season 3 or so? And they went to GRRM and told him their idea for how the show would end, and they compared notes to see how close they would be to his intended ending and if there was anything they should alter. So I would say a lot of the divergence from then on and the show's overall path towards the end is more D&D than GRRM. I think that was the point everyone deep inside accepted that the show would surpass the books and have to end before the books.
Because of the Prince that was promised prophecy. Rhaegar was obsessed with it.
Someone needs to make a cover of GoT's theme with banjos.
Uh, no. I don't see what either have to do with each other. The night king stuff has been there since the first episode - yeah, I'm not a book reader, but I know the differences etc - so I knew it was going to come into play but I didn't know it was going to become the absolute main story to the point everything else is cast aside. It's just not an interesting story to me, I wouldn't have continued watching if it was this kind of high fantasy stuff from the start, but it has turned into this quite suddenly only this season, so I'm just reacting to that.
If the characters were still well written and the world still felt plausible it might be okay, but that isn't the way it is. I think a lot of people are enjoying the night king stuff so they don't mind that those things are being let slip, but that isn't really my deal so yeah, it's not a development I'm loving.
I'll still watch to the end, I mean why not, it's still entertaining enough, it's just very different from what it was even a year ago.
iShouldGoPro
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Viserys actually blamed Dany for being born too late. If she had lived earlier she would have been able to marry Rhaegar and he would have likely never died.
So, yeah. they getting married.
Totally agree. I didn't like how they handled the LF/Arya/Sansa stuff this season and that to me was a major complaint but I was at least satisfied with the outcome of that where before this episode I thought I was possibly witnessing some serious character assassination for the girls. I might rewatch episode 5 and 6 with the knowledge I have now although I still won't like the scene from last episode where they were at each other's throats in private.
Literally nothing surprising happened but as a result it was better than I was expecting. Particularly happy they didn't do anything stupid in Winterfell; it was predictable but still great to see.
And then the reveal + sex scene was a little... less self aware than it could have been? I guess it was supposed to feel intentionally discordant but the music still going just made me laugh a little.
And then the reveal + sex scene was a little... less self aware than it could have been? I guess it was supposed to feel intentionally discordant but the music still going just made me laugh a little.
Dusk Soldier
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That was pretty much the only way the story could go.
Just like how the children and the first men were at war with eachother, but cast all their differences aside to stop the long night.
I kept waiting for him to say "what is dead may never die" but I guess with the whole undead army it wouldn't go over so well.
broncobuster
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Rhaegar must've hated his first Aegon.
I liked the episode a great deal but a few things felt a little disappointing...
- I love the idea of the wall coming down so easily - that's how I would've done it myself - but it should have had more witnesses. I sort of expected Jon and Dany to be there when it happens. A few red shirts and a ginger don't count for shit.
- Jamie getting cucked by Euron should have ended in deaths, not escaping with your tail between your legs. But I do want Jamie to survive :-3
- Theon's anime fight (with passion to keep getting up) felt like a watered down spine growing scene. The only reason he won is because his opponent was dumb enough to keep playing a Three Stooges skit over and over again until Theon managed to get a pitiful throw at him. It's a start, but at this stage I'd expect people to start getting their shit together
- Littlefinger dying was satisfying but I'm sure everyone saw that coming
- Cercei keeps being a cold hearted bitch, as usual, but her motivations keep being exactly the same season after season: her children. I would have hoped for a little something else but watcha gonna do
The Greek Freak
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They couldn't even follow some major points or their order in books that have been out for a decade lol
I gotta say - I absolutely adored the Tyrion and Cersei scene
Not just because it was impeccably performed, but because it peeled away a layer of Cersei, revealing that a part of her does love Tyrion, which is very in her character (love for her family)
So she utterly hates him, really does, wants him dead
But she also loves him
Dunno, I dug it
Not just because it was impeccably performed, but because it peeled away a layer of Cersei, revealing that a part of her does love Tyrion, which is very in her character (love for her family)
So she utterly hates him, really does, wants him dead
But she also loves him
Dunno, I dug it
toddhunter
Member
Maybe the books will be different.
Night king gets to the wall, says "fuck that is a bit high" and goes home. We then go back to Dorne for the rest of the series to explore local council activities around road planning.
Well he did annul his marriage making him a bastard.
Couldn't? Are you sure these weren't decisions made in a similar manner to those with Lord of the Rings movies? In other words: books are books and TV is TV - you got to adapt. Sometimes covering an entire chapter might take five minutes on screen and other times it could take episodes.
Chiaroscuro
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No, I am just making an assumption based on the difference seasons with books already written and seasons without. Speculating like everyone else, no need to be rude.
Victory Red
Member
Who else thought when they showed Jaime at the end in the bushes he was gonna stumble upon a group of people and meet Stoneheart?
iShouldGoPro
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where is the love for the dynamic between The Hound and Brienne?!
loved the acting during that scene. Sandor's slight smiles after finding out Arya was alive and showing concern. so good!!
loved the acting during that scene. Sandor's slight smiles after finding out Arya was alive and showing concern. so good!!
Frank the Great
Banned
I didn't really get that. I thought she was just fucking with him. If she had killed him, her plan to propose a fake truce to reconquer the South would have blown up.
Also I still think she's lying to everyone about her child.
You are going to have to source your quotes on that because every time D&D have talked about the ending they have said they were blown away - or words to that effect - when George told them.
The show is the slightly sloppy execution of the plan given to them by George. It is obvious to me what the issue is, that the end of ADWD isn't part 5 of 7. It is like maybe around half way through the story if you consider all the plot points D&D have hit AND take into account all the plot threads they have almost completely dumped.
iShouldGoPro
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The problem for me is that this isn't really high fantasy, it's zombies. Unless the Night King starts talking, this is just going to be a brute force fight with no scheming and... personally the show hasn't had a really good track record with making those entertaining lately.
Cersei scheming is kinda silly (especially since I want Euron done with already; he's such a boring attempt at a new villain) but at least it'll keep betrayal and conspiracy as possibilities instead of just fighting zombies.