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[Spirit of Jazz]

I died of laughter during the heroic incest reveal.

 

[Ros8105]

Rhaegar looks pretty lame tbh

 

[ginger ninja]

Shit season, complete unadulterated fanfic bs. On the bright side, the Mummer's farce is almost over boys.

 

[Rixxan]

I didn't really get that. I thought she was just fucking with him. If she had killed him, her plan to propose a fake truce to reconquer the South would have blown up.

Also I still think she's lying to everyone about her child.

Interesting, you might be right, but I felt parts of the conversation were too raw, too earnest - for that to be entirely the case

 

[The Greek Freak]

I gotta say - I absolutely adored the Tyrion and Cersei scene

Not just because it was impeccably performed, but because it peeled away a layer of Cersei, revealing that a part of her does love Tyrion, which is very in her character (love for her family)

So she utterly hates him, really does, wants him dead

But she also loves him

Dunno, I dug it

Me too. It's scenes like this (or cercei and Rob B in S1) that make the hilariously bad stuff so frustrating.

 

[fallengorn]

Who else thought when they showed Jaime at the end in the bushes he was gonna stumble upon a group of people and meet Stoneheart?

"Here take my horse!" as she fends off the Mountain.

 

[Novista]

One of the showrunners always calls Cersei "Ser-Say" and it drives me mad.

That might be because that's how GRRM pronounces it!

Super curious to know if Jon's name will be Aegon in the books. Seems pretty cold for Rhaegar to give his first son's name to another.

 

[Turin]

Did they just get the actor who played Viserys to play Rheagar?

where is the love for the dynamic between The Hound and Brienne?!
loved the acting during that scene. Sandor's slight smiles after finding out Arya was alive and showing concern. so good!!

I loved it but I didn't want to gush too much with my man-crush on Rory Clegane.

 

[emag]

Have we hit rock bottom yet? I have no investment in any character at this point apart from Tormund, Sandor, and Sam, who survive on a few funny scraps of dialog.

It's been three seasons since I've been praying for Littlefinger to be put out of his misery, so at least he won't be a mockery of his early character any longer.

 

[mjc]

You are going to have to source your quotes on that because every time D&D have talked about the ending they have said they were blown away - or words to that effect - when George told them.

The show is the slightly sloppy execution of the plan given to them by George. It is obvious to me what the issue is, that the end of ADWD isn't part 5 of 7. It is like maybe around half way through the story if you consider all the plot points D&D have hit AND take into account all the plot threads they have almost completely dumped.

I'm convinced we haven't seen the books finish yet because George is having trouble bringing all the threads together. I don't envy it.

And a big part of that is the contraction of the story, we lose the scheming for a pretty box standard good vs evil fantasy story. Lots of people won't mind, but I think some fans will get turned off.

 

[broncobuster]

Well he did annul his marriage making him a bastard.

To be fair, Aegon probably didn't learn about being demoted to Sand before, well, you know.

 

[UraMallas]

So is Dany gonna cede her claim when she finds out that her nephew/lover has a better claim? I think she is actually gonna try and marry him and rationalize it as what her house does.

If I can be completely honest one of them is going to bite it. I believe it will be Dany because GRRM likes to fuck with us.

 

[Zabka]

Things I'm looking forward to next season:

1) The Golden Company cross the narrow sea and immediately pledge loyalty to the new Targaryen power couple
2) Sam bestows Heartsbane on the Hound for his battle with the Mountain
3) Jaime punches lots of people in the face with his disguised golden hand

I didn't really get that. I thought she was just fucking with him. If she had killed him, her plan to propose a fake truce to reconquer the South would have blown up.

Also I still think she's lying to everyone about her child.

The Inside the Episode confirms that she was playing with Tyrion in that scene.

 

[Omadahl]

It was paint by numbers for the most part. I called the R+L = J reveal, the ice dragon wall destruction, bullshit Lanister turncoats, and Little Finger finally getting cut. The only prediction that didn't make it in was Clegane Bowl, but that's definitely happening.

 

[fallengorn]

I hope Jaime gets a dragonglass hand so he can just stab wights with it.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

2) Sam bestows Heartsbane on the Hound for his battle with the Mountain
.

This is going to be a long wait

 

[Artdayne]

Shit season, complete unadulterated fanfic bs. On the bright side, the Mummer's farce is almost over boys.

LOL at fanfic. It's the ASOIAF canon, Georgie boy isn't finishing his books in his lifetime.

 

[Victory Red]

You are going to have to source your quotes on that because every time D&D have talked about the ending they have said they were blown away - or words to that effect - when George told them.

The show is the slightly sloppy execution of the plan given to them by George. It is obvious to me what the issue is, that the end of ADWD is part 5 of 7. It is like maybe around half way through the story if you consider all the plot points D&D have hit AND take into account all the plot threads they have almost completely dumped.

I don't know the exact quote you're referencing, but it was in the vein of: "When we sat down with George and discussed how he saw this all going and ending, there were a few OMG moments and this was one of them." I believe it was after revealing r+l=j.

In my opinion, I think it's realistic to assume that the extent of what George knows is happening at the end could be: Danny comes over, big fight after WW come through wall, this person wins and sits on the throne at the end.

Everything in between is subject to change and hasn't even been close to figured out by GRRM.

 

[The Greek Freak]

Couldn't? Are you sure these weren't decisions made in a similar manner to those with Lord of the Rings movies? In other words: books are books and TV is TV - you got to adapt. Sometimes covering an entire chapter might take five minutes on screen and other times it could take episodes.

I understand cutting plot lines and battles etc for length and cost.

It's them fucking up the easy stuff that I find hilarious/heinous.

The clearest example of this are Show cat and Robb learning about the "deaths" of Bran and Rickon AFTER they do stupid shit instead of causing the grief that leads to said stupidity.

That they somehow made me think show Cat and Robb deserved their fates is insane and incompetent.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I hope Jaime gets a dragonglass hand so he can just stab wights with it.

Fullmetal lannister

 

[duckroll]

You are going to have to source your quotes on that because every time D&D have talked about the ending they have said they were blown away - or words to that effect - when George told them.

The show is the slightly sloppy execution of the plan given to them by George. It is obvious to me what the issue is, that the end of ADWD isn't part 5 of 7. It is like maybe around half way through the story if you consider all the plot points D&D have hit AND take into account all the plot threads they have almost completely dumped.

http://time.com/4791793/game-of-thrones-season-7-david-benioff-d-b-weiss/'

Did you know in season 2 where the story was going to end up?

WEISS: When did we meet with George [series author R.R. Martin] in Santa Fe?

BENIOFF: It was before season 3 wasn't it?

WEISS: It was when we were getting the track that the Hold Steady did, their studio version of "The Bear and the Maiden Fair." It was between season 2 and season 3.

BENIOFF: That's when we started talking to George and he was giving us a sense of things he was working on that were to come, that's when he told us about the Hodor backstory, and endgame stuff. He had some great stuff that he could share with us, like the Hodor thing, but a lot of it, he wasn't sure yet, because he was writing, and he discovers things by writing. For us as TV writer-producers, we have to be architects. Everything has to be planned out really far in advance. And for us, we can't say we're going to stop and figure things out for a couple years. We know we have to have a season every year, pretty much. We knew we were barreling towards an ending, because we knew from the start the show would run seven or eight years.

WEISS: There were some details that were added later — but pretty much the actual endgame, the main climactic moments, we had in mind then. We had ninety percent of this crucial chunk of the story for the final season, and we were mainly talking to George to see how our notion of where things ended up jibed with his notion.

 

[dsp]

where is the love for the dynamic between The Hound and Brienne?!
loved the acting during that scene. Sandor's slight smiles after finding out Arya was alive and showing concern. so good!!

My favorite scene, for sure.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Rhaegar looks pretty lame tbh

watered down version of viserys

 

[Pkaz01]

Hate the Aegon reveal, just lame given that he already had a kid with the same name.

 

[Turin]

Still no Ghost.

 

[yunbuns]

Yeah they definitily mentioned the other Aegon on the show.

 

[duckroll]

Another interesting quote from that same interview I linked.

To what degree do you feel it needs to be perfectly congruent with the vision of the endgame of the novels that Martin presented to you?

BENIOFF: It’s already too late for that. We’re already well past the point of it jibing 100 percent. We’ve passed George and that’s something that George always worried about — the show catching up and ultimately passing him — but the good thing about us diverging at this point is that George’s books will still be a surprise for readers who have seen the show. Certain things that we learned from George way back in that meeting in Santa Fe are going to happen on the show, but certain things won’t. And there’s certain things where George didn’t know what was going to happen, so we’re going to find them out for the first time too, along with millions of readers when we read those books. Some people wish we would wait until the books were finished to finish the show, but George works on his own schedule, which is the way any good writer should do it. He shouldn’t be beholden to a TV schedule to finish his novels, that would be completely artificial and would not serve him well. But we do have these actors and they’re getting older, and we have to finish.

WEISS: To have a 35-year-old Arya Stark wandering the countryside somehow doesn’t quite feel the same. But it’s always been something from the beginning where we knew the show needs to work as a show. It needs to make sense to somebody who is not familiar with the books and there are places, ways in which sticking to the chapter and verse of the books would make that impossible. The books have a different carrying capacity for information than television does. This is not based on data, just on instinct: We have, almost certainly, the largest cast that has ever been in television, in terms of the sheer number of recurring characters you have that stay in the story for long periods of time. And it’s a fraction of the characters that exist in George’s books. We’re right up at the outward bound of what’s feasible in a television show, that still makes sense to people and still allows for enough emotional connection and investment in these characters.

 

[Jibbajabbawockky]

It was paint by numbers for the most part. I called the R+L = J reveal, the ice dragon wall destruction, bullshit Lanister turncoats, and Little Finger finally getting cut. The only prediction that didn't make it in was Clegane Bowl, but that's definitely happening.

I feel like the whole season and last really has been pretty paint by numbers. It's all gotten pretty predictable and tame. And its to the point now where there are only 6 episodes left so, sure, people will probably be dying left and right next year but the shocking deaths in Game of Thrones are the ones you don't expect and when you don't expect them and how the world reacts to those deaths. Stuff like Ned or the Red Wedding. Now, anyone that dies next year really won't have much of an impact on anyone or anything cause the whole show is going to be wrapped up so quickly. There won't be much time to really reflect on anything within the show since everything is going to happen at 100 miles per hour.

 

[SodiumBenzoate]

watered down version of viserys

Seriously how did they look at this picture and end up with THAT guy?

 

[broncobuster]

I hope Jaime gets a dragonglass hand so he can just stab wights with it.

Groovy. And Qyburn can make him a new double barrel pellet launcher device to go with it.

 

[jfkgoblue]

So D&D completely forgot that they cut out the part where Dany was told that she couldn't have children.

 

[Omadahl]

Rhaegar looks pretty lame tbh

Is that Michael Cera?

"We have pop pop in the tower of joy."

 

[Zabka]

This is going to be a long wait

I've been trying to figure out where they're going with that little plot point and the Hound seems like the only person who can handle a greatsword.

 

[Killzig]

1) The Golden Company cross the narrow sea and immediately pledge loyalty to the new Targaryen power couple.

Even with the show ignoring the Blackfyres completely, there's no chance this happens.

 

[Basileus777]

This is the best thing I've seen tonight.

 

[Iksenpets]

I think that one was mostly on. Arya/Sansa resolved well and LF's death was satisfying, even if it does absolutely nothing to redeem how bad that plot was in previous episodes. I thought Theon's scene was really good, and Cersei was pretty on fire in all of her scenes. And I'm really glad they did not actually have her be convinced to help everyone. Jon and Dany's random boat sex taking place over a monologue revealing they're aunt and nephew was either a really terrible decision, or a great way of setting a note of awkwardness to foreshadow that relationship falling apart next season.

Predictions for next season:

Bran and Sam push Jon as the actual heir, Dany refuses to accept it, leading to the collapse of their alliance. Dany kills him, but Beric gives his love to revive him, and Jon is fully reborn as Azor Ahai.

Euron takes the Golden Company and goes rogue with it, planning to force himself on Dany instead of getting with Cersei. They lingered on him staring in awe at the dragon for a long time, and he said he wants the most beautiful woman in the world, so his reason for betrayal is established after he's seen Dany. This eventually leads to him killing her (see the scene at the Citadel where they all laugh off the madman's prophecy about the Drowned God stopping the Targ invasion) and trying to take the dragons. Theon and Yara eventually take him down.

Cersei's baby is actually Euron's, given that they established this episode that they are having off camera meetings without Jaime present. This reveal finally gets us to Jaime killing her, once he realizes she's not only a mad woman, but a mad woman who never loved him.

 

[SephCast]

 

[biosnake20]

Really solid finale. The Tyrion Cersei scene was great.

 

[shintoki]

This ain't fanfic. The major plot points are all still going to be there in the book, but they will be executed differently.

Dragon babies coming up!

 

[cj_iwakura]

Good episode, lots of slow burn character moments. The last scene was straight and to the point. Loved how unpredictable Cersei was, I really had no idea what she was planning. I thought Jaime was dead for a moment.

Half expected the negotiation to go south, and I'm so glad they didn't drop the ball on the wight. They knew people were expecting that plan to fail like the wight hand did.

 

[dubq]

So D&D completely forgot that they cut out the part where Dany was told that she couldn't have children.

Mirri tells her in season one that Drogo will be normal again, among other impossible things, "when your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child," which Dany interprets as her being barren.

 

[TTG]

Dany realizing the whole premise for capturing a zombie was BS was the only good to come out of that 90 minutes. "My dragon died for nothing!?!" Yea, but not because Jon played the straight man.

 

[Lautaro]

Have we hit rock bottom yet? I have no investment in any character at this point apart from Tormund, Sandor, and Sam, who survive on a few funny scraps of dialog.

It's been three seasons since I've been praying for Littlefinger to be put out of his misery, so at least he won't be a mockery of his early character any longer.

I just watch it for the spectacle and to get some closure because the books are never coming.

People seem to enjoy it though. Good for them.

 

[Edzi]

http://time.com/4791793/game-of-thrones-season-7-david-benioff-d-b-weiss/'

Another interesting quote from that same interview I linked.

I guarantee people are gonna ignore these posts.

 

[diunxx]

So Rhaegar named both his son the same? or did the show erased the first born from existence?

 

[Basileus777]

This ain't fanfic. The major plot points are all still going to be there in the book, but they will be executed differently.

Dragon babies coming up!

It's not fanfic because it's an officially licensed adaptation. People need to expand their vocabulary. Does anyone call 2001: A Space Odyssey fanfic?

 

[dubq]

Yeah they definitily mentioned the other Aegon on the show.

You guys mean to have me believe that a royal who is obsessed with prophecies about a prince who was promised would be above naming a second kid the same name as his other kid if he felt that this was the child who fulfilled that prophecy? Sometimes I wonder if y'all are new to fantasy....

 

[Faddy]

http://time.com/4791793/game-of-thrones-season-7-david-benioff-d-b-weiss/'

Another interesting quote from that same interview I linked.

There are definitely differences but as far as the main plot goes with Dany, Jon, Arya, Sansa and Tyrion I expect that to be pretty close to what George has told them. And George does know his ending, or at least says he does, claiming the book series will finish on a bittersweet note.

 

[Zabka]

Even with the show ignoring the Blackfyres completely, there's no chance this happens.

Well yeah that wouldn't be good TV.

 

[Brakke]

Man Theon's win really disappointed me. This show is so shitty about men without cocks. Such an unshakable fixation on calling that out at every opportunity.

Even without a dick, it would suck to get kneed in the groin by someone trying to murder you.