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[Pepiope]

If the most I had to worry about after something like cursing out a teacher is extra homework, then I'm not too worried. That's all fine for something small, but what about if your kid steals something from the mall? If they bully someone at school? It they get in a fight?

if they steal something from the mall then escort them back to the mall and make them pay for/return it.
If they bully someone at school then take away privileges/make the kid apologize to the parents/victim and try other things fi that doesn't work. (btw, where do you think the child learned to bully?)
If they get into a fight, then punish them in any of the ways listed. There are literally an infinite amount of possibilities to choose from that doesn't involve putting your hands on them or physically abusing the kid. Solving violence with more violence is never the answer.

 

[ICKE]

My God I saw the pictures, what kind of a lunatic does that to his own child. If someone did that to an innocent animal we'd have an internet riot.

When you are drawing blood from your own child, you have completely failed as a parent and a human being.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

That's all fine for something small, but what about if your kid steals something from the mall? If they bully someone at school? It they get in a fight?

There is nothing in the gray area between "you're grounded" and "catch this asswhipping" that you could think of? You can't think of a thing that would push the buttons of the child you've been parenting for all of his/her life? Nothing in your experience of raising this person has given you any insight into how to persuade/manipulate the emotional response of a child who is literally PART OF YOU?

Just hit em?

I mean, yeah, it's a lot faster, and you don't have to do as much thinking. But you're not gonna teach em what you think you're gonna teach em.

 

[youngplaya21]

Do you, though? Wouldn't it be considered some PC age bullshit if it actually happened, that you'd note with a hint of disdain before ignoring it and reminiscing on how things were better in the old days when people didn't thinking about whether or not they were abusing their children when they hit them with belts and lamp cords and sticks?
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I'm sure if those studies existed someone would have brought them up before now.

But they don't exist because hitting your children isn't a good thing.

'm all for the change if I see the alternative working. Timeouts and extra homework isn't that change though. I'm not condoning going around and beating your kids ass everyday. There are just times where what they did requires a bigger punishment

 

[Shake Appeal]

'm all for the change if I see the alternative working. Timeouts and extra homework isn't that change though. I'm not condoning going around and beating your kids ass everyday. There are just times where what they did requires a bigger punishment

By hitting them, you are probably making them more likely to behave badly in future. Pretty much all research done on corporal punishment for children suggests as much.

 

[Pepiope]

It's effective if you reward good behavior rather than punish bad behavior. Give the kid some attention when they do something good instead of only paying attention to them when they fuck up in school/at home/etc

 

[GitarooMan]

smh at that ESPN poll...I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[UberTag]

The National Freefall League - Keith Olbermann - Part 1 & Part 2

 

[youngplaya21]

It's effective if you reward good behavior rather than punish bad behavior. Give the kid some attention when they do something good instead of only paying attention to them when they fuck up in school/at home/etc

Yeah I definitely agree with this. Just gotta make sure to not go overboard with it, as it may lose its appeal over time

By hitting them, you are probably making them more likely to behave badly in future. Pretty much all research done on corporal punishment for children suggests as much.

Yeah, I've never been a fan of statistics like this, especially since they likely bunched in the serious abuse with the 'whooping their 11 year old for breaking and entering' punishment. Not to mention the whole 'statistics mean nothing to the individual' or whatever quote. If you can show me research showing how like one whooping a year for something serious affected them badly, then I'll take it seriously.

 

[xbhaskarx]

Deadspin: Adrian Peterson Accused Of Beating Another Son, Leaving Facial Scar

with news video, including more text messages, and photos

 

[smokeandmirrors]

The National Freefall League - Keith Olbermann - Part 1 & Part 2

dude hit the nail on the head with his last one about the rice situation. was waiting for these.

 

[Shake Appeal]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/10/economist-explains-2

LAST week at its New York headquarters the United Nations held its annual Treaty Event, which encourages country leaders to sign up to any of the organisation’s 550-plus conventions. This year the spotlight was on the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which has been adopted by every country apart from Somalia, South Sudan and America. Somalia is anarchic and South Sudan became a country only two years ago. What is stopping America from ratifying the treaty?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Yeah, I've never been a fan of statistics like this,

it's not like whether you're a fan or not makes them less factual.

I'm not a fan of my family's genetic predilections towards things like diabetes and heart disease, but that doesn't mean I'm going to disregard the facts. It means I'm going to change the way I live to minimize that risk.

The facts are overwhelming that hitting your kid isn't a positive thing, not in the short run, and not in the long run.

There's a reason that the majority of people who defend their own beatings as a child usually say "I turned out okay." Not "well," or "great," or "wonderfully." But "okay." As if somewhere inside, even as they're defending their parents from the accusations that what they did was wrong, they know that they weren't really helped by what was done to them. That those beatings didn't really unlock a new level of potential that they achieved thanks to that "discipline."

They're "okay," yeah. But I think even they know that it could have been better. That it probably should have been better, honestly.

But they settled for "okay," and so it's okay if others do too.

 

[xbhaskarx]

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Sorry, I heard it on the radio. I'm sure it's somewhere on the net as well, maybe youtube.

Of course Deadspin has it:

GM Makes Absurd Claims About Why Adrian Peterson Is Back With Vikings

 

[PopeReal]

Deadspin: Adrian Peterson Accused Of Beating Another Son, Leaving Facial Scar

with news video, including more text messages, and photos

So what do the Vikings do now? Sit him for another game?

This is just a shit storm.

 

[Loofy]

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States that have completely prohibited corporal punishment of children by law are, in chronological order:[39]

No asian countries. No wonder the west is slacking.

 

[eznark]

Come on guys, you trying to tell me your parents didn't crack your skulls open when you were a toddler? Respect the cultural differences.

 

[Maddocks]

So what do the Vikings do now?

Hide behind Due process. They will deal with all of this after the season is over.

 

[UberTag]

Hide behind Due process. They will deal with all of this after the season is over.

They can't displease those season ticket holders.
They paid to watch the child abuser play football and they'll want their money back if they can't see him.

 

[Broder Salsa]

Yeah, I've never been a fan of statistics like this, especially since they likely bunched in the serious abuse with the 'whooping their 11 year old for breaking and entering' punishment. Not to mention the whole 'statistics mean nothing to the individual' or whatever quote. If you can show me research showing how like one whooping a year for something serious affected them badly, then I'll take it seriously.

Yeah it's just silly statistics, I haven't really bothered researching this but it's probably just statistics and probably not done well, how would they even make a study of this? whatever, #keepwhooping.

 

[youngplaya21]

it's not like whether you're a fan or not makes them less factual.

I'm not a fan of my family's genetic predilections towards things like diabetes and heart disease, but that doesn't mean I'm going to disregard the facts. It means I'm going to change the way I live to minimize that risk.

The facts are overwhelming that hitting your kid isn't a positive thing, not in the short run, and not in the long run.

There's a reason that the majority of people who defend their own beatings as a child usually say "I turned out okay." Not "well," or "great," or "wonderfully." But "okay." As if somewhere inside, even as they're defending their parents from the accusations that what they did was wrong, they know that they weren't really helped by what was done to them. That those beatings didn't really unlock a new level of potential that they achieved thanks to that "discipline."

They're "okay," yeah. But I think even they know that it could have been better. That it probably should have been better, honestly.

But they settled for "okay," and so it's okay if others do too.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree then. I have no argument about people saying they're ok as opposed to great, and trying to argue that there may be plenty more to the numbers then 'kids beat turn out bad while kids not beat turn out good', such as social status and the like will likely take more time then I'm willing to put in. I just think that it isn't as black and white as everyone makes it sound like, and in EXTREME circumstances it should be used. Not for failing a test or something, but for possibly committing a crime or doing something you repeatedly told them not too.

Yeah it's just silly statistics, I haven't really bothered researching this but it's probably just statistics and probably not done well, how would they even make a study of this? whatever, #keepwhooping.

Damn, and I thought I could actually attempt to voice an opinion that disagrees a bit with the GAF hive mind without getting cracked on. Everyone else attempted to make a decent argument and keep it civil, man. That's how I feel, plain and simple. Stuff like the okcupid thread does nothing for me: I don't have a 10% chance of talking to a white chick just because I'm black. There are way too many other factors in play for that to matter to the individual, and I feel that applies to your stats too

 

[Zach]

This is sad and disgusting. And the backlash from the anti-"PC" crowd (see: ESPN articles' comments) is just horrible. What is wrong with people? Seriously?

 

[metalslimer]

Scientific studies are far different than some ok cupid stats. And what exactly do you think hitting your kid is going to do if they commit a crime? If a kid can't learn from this mistake with other methods other than a beating and repeats again, there is a far bigger problem going on than being hit is going to do.

Honestly, I'm even more convinced that parents who look at violence as a viable option in discipline really just don't want to take the time and energy to do something else.

 

[youngplaya21]

Scientific studies are far different than some ok cupid stats. And what exactly do you think hitting your kid is going to do if they commit a crime? If a kid can't learn from this mistake with other methods other than a beating and repeats again, there is a far bigger problem going on than being hit is going to do.

Honestly, I'm even more convinced that parents who look at violence as a viable option in discipline really just don't want to take the time and energy to do something else.

I'm not saying to beat first and ask questions later, I'm just saying that there some things that taking away some stuff that goes beyond grounding them and taking away their phones. It's not a matter of taking the time and energy to do something else, it's that it's not working or fits the punishment.

And apparently people care way more about statistics then I thought...

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Wow, Viking backing their player & not hanging him out to dry.

 

[Opiate]

Wow, Viking backing their player & not hanging him out to dry.

You say this like it's a good thing.

 

[Branduil]

Wow, Viking backing their player & not hanging him out to dry.

Are you actually still salty about Incognito even though he was shown to be a scumbag?

 

[Kifimbo]

Radisson suspending its sponsorship of the Vikings.

http://carlson.com/news-and-media/n...5&hootPostID=511dee2099ba9fec719bdc180dd01324

Earlier:

 

[CreepingFear]

Radisson suspending its sponsorship of the Vikings.

http://carlson.com/news-and-media/n...5&hootPostID=511dee2099ba9fec719bdc180dd01324

Earlier:

Good, hopefully just a start of more to follow.

 

[GitarooMan]

Radisson suspending its sponsorship of the Vikings.

http://carlson.com/news-and-media/n...5&hootPostID=511dee2099ba9fec719bdc180dd01324

Good for them. Smart enough to steer clear of this and realize how foolish the Vikings look right now.

 

[kneePat]

Wait so spanking a child is frowned upon now?

Wait so a child is not a person, but property still?

Really? How would something like this be proven? How about the positive outcomes to spanking a child?

Some would argue the positive outcomes of beating your wife were ignored as well.

 

[braves01]

I miss the good ol' days when Vikings scandals were about party boats and smoking pot once in a blue moon.

 

[GitarooMan]

Just found this as well when looking for some local reaction on the topic:
http://vikingsmessageboard.com
Interesting.

 

[Kinyou]

I miss the good ol' days when Vikings scandals were about party boats and smoking pot once in a blue moon.

All that raiding and plundering of defenseless villages was a little extreme though

 

[Stabby McSter]

fuck this guy. but he's also on my fantasy team.

fuck me. :'(

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Just so we're clear when exactly do you think players should be punished by the league?
As strong as the evidence is, is everyone really saying that being charged is enough? Or is it case by case? And if so isn't this as inconsistent as the NFL has been in the past? I know its likely some are hiding behind due process to keep a player going but at the same time I think allowing the legal system work itself out is prudent as a general policy. Let both sides present their cases in court and afterwards the league can still rule out a punishment. I think Peterson went too far and should be punished in the courts and league. But this story broke just on Friday. I'm a little hesitant to just nuke anyone charged with a crime. I've seen other times where there was nothing to charges that started off very strong and if we always went to the "suspend them now, sort it out later" tactic would have a whole other mess on its hands

Hardy is convicted by a judge, he should already be sitting for 6+ games

Did you have issues with Kobe playing while his rape trial was ongoing?

 

[Gentleman Jack]

And if so isn't this as inconsistent as the NFL has been in the past?

The inconsistency is what undermines the NFL's credibility when it pays little more to lip service about caring whether or not a child beater takes the field against the Saints next week. In the end, all it does is support the idea that the NFL and the Vikings don't care about anything but money. Waiting for a judge to bang a gavel only helps to enrich the league while they hide behind a shoddy defense of 'innocent until proven guilty' that is coincidentally only used to protect star players. The last few times the Vikings suspended people who had been charged with serious crimes it didn't take until a guilty verdict to reach those decisions, but none of them were franchise-tagged.

The NFL deserves none of the benefit of the doubt you're giving them here.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

The inconsistency is what undermines the NFL's credibility when it pays little more to lip service about caring whether or not a child beater takes the field against the Saints next week. In the end, all it does is support the idea that the NFL and the Vikings don't care about anything but money. Waiting for a judge to bang a gavel only helps to enrich the league while they hide behind a shoddy defense of 'innocent until proven guilty' that is coincidentally only used to protect star players. The last few times the Vikings suspended people who had been charged with serious crimes it didn't take until a guilty verdict to reach those decisions, but none of them were franchise-tagged.

The NFL deserves none of the benefit of the doubt you're giving them here.

You didn't answer my question and just want him punished based on the limited info given so far. So you are saying a league, forget the NFL, any league should suspend a player as soon as they are charged? Not even waiting to see the evidence of both sides before ruling? I'm not saying the league shouldn't or couldn't punish him even if the courts don't. But I think doing it way too quickly no matter how clear cut the evidence appears to be is, is a very dangerous precedent. And I'm not sure if waiting for due process, law enforcement, lawyers, etc to do their jobs is necessarily saying they're doing lip service. I mean is there any other league or company that is doing it as you want?

Also if teams themselves want to cut the player then fine. I think that's different then the league refusing to allow a player to play.

 

[metalslimer]

I'm not saying to beat first and ask questions later, I'm just saying that there some things that taking away some stuff that goes beyond grounding them and taking away their phones. It's not a matter of taking the time and energy to do something else, it's that it's not working or fits the punishment.

And apparently people care way more about statistics then I thought...

Says someone who apparently knows very little about statistics.

 

[Evil_Silver]

This is sad and disgusting. And the backlash from the anti-"PC" crowd (see: ESPN articles' comments) is just horrible. What is wrong with people? Seriously?

People are sick twisted fucks.

 

[Amir0x]

jesus christ. This whole league needs a fucking reset at this point

 

[kick51]

what's with all these athletes being entitled, violent assholes who are occasionally a little rapey

it's almost like they're exactly the way they come off in undergrad!

 

[Cipherr]

Wait so spanking a child is frowned upon now?

Well I am pro spanking. Don't have a problem with it. But leaving scars and fucking bruises on a small child isn't 'spanking' man. At least it wasn't like that for me growing up. I got enough licks to want to make sure I kept my ass in line, but I wasn't fucking bleeding and all scarred up as a damn 4 year old. Cmon. Thats crossing a line clearly.

Folks are posting pictures of the guys child with bandaids and shit. Spankings were a thing, but you never needed First Aid afterwards

Worst thing about spankings was hoping your boys didn't hear mama wearing your ass out. Your pride was hurt, but you were in tact.

 

[MIMIC]

One of the most disturbing things about this is how so many seem to be stating this belief that "whuppings" like this are the common and expected way to raise black kids. Even Sir Charles made it a race issue when defending AP.

Well I think the severity varies from parent to parent but this was/is indeed a common thing with black families. When I was young, all of the kids on my street got beat. My girlfriend REGULARLY got whooped.

But as time passes, society begins to reject things that were once the norm. Spanking/beating/whooping a child will probably be gone in maybe 3 or 4 generations; it definitely won't be soon.

Really harkens back, and I hate to say this, to a slave mentality that beatings are the only way to teach.

I made a similar observation (although not unique). That type of physical abuse was absolutely drilled into their heads back then....and, IMO, was emulated.

 

[Two Words]

Did anybody have parents that did scare-spankings? When I think back, I never really got hit hard at all. I think as a kid, it seemed a lot scarier. Once I caught on and stopped fearing the weak spankings my parents gave ms, they stopped. Still think it was wrong of them to try and discipline me with fear. I'm just curious if others here had a similar upbringings?

 

[Volimar]

Meanwhile:

Miami Hurricanes backup quarterback Kevin Olsen has been suspended from team activities after he was charged early Monday morning with driving under the influence and having a fake or stolen driver's license.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...en-miami-hurricanes-arrested-dui-fake-license

 

[demolitio]

You didn't answer my question and just want him punished based on the limited info given so far. So you are saying a league, forget the NFL, any league should suspend a player as soon as they are charged? Not even waiting to see the evidence of both sides before ruling? I'm not saying the league shouldn't or couldn't punish him even if the courts don't. But I think doing it way too quickly no matter how clear cut the evidence appears to be is, is a very dangerous precedent. And I'm not sure if waiting for due process, law enforcement, lawyers, etc to do their jobs is necessarily saying they're doing lip service. I mean is there any other league or company that is doing it as you want?

Also if teams themselves want to cut the player then fine. I think that's different then the league refusing to allow a player to play.

That's the real problem with the NFL. There's no consistency. Either you wait for the court's decision or you make your own decision instead of these subjective punishments. When Josh Gordon got a year's suspension for passing one test and failing another by one point when the NFL's legal limits are ~30% of what most American sports are and 10% of what the Olympics allows, and still gets banned for 10 games after they raise the legal limit due to this being his 4th strike despite it not even being a strike anymore (because it happened in 2013 technically), it paints a bad picture compared to the other punishments the league has handed out where it's totally subjective and harsh on the wrong things. Josh Gordon is no saint for sure, especially with his DUI that happened during all the drama over his case, he shouldn't be treated worse than Ray Rice originally was and how Peterson will be treated.

I agree that they need to wait for a proper trial as far as the NFL's punishment goes and it's up to the team here to bench him if they so choose. The only other problem here is he basically admitted to doing this so it's not like he's innocent until proven guilty but rather to see how guilty in the eyes of the court so the NFL should be able to do something here compared to other cases. I get not punishing McDonald yet since his investigation is still on-going, I just find their processes extremely subjective and treating a weed charge that would pass any other sport in the world as worse than Ray Rice's case and undoubtedly worse than Peterson and McDonald's cases, it's quite puzzling.

I think colleges need to discipline their players more seriously instead of the big schools trying to cover things up or give them a slap on the wrist just so their team stays competitive because you're then basically telling them it's alright just because they're big athletes. They already play a violent sport with lots of head injuries so the last thing they need is lenient teams, schools, etc. Football is a big business in college and it's a huge business in the NFL so it feels like most teams will try to protect their investments first and foremost while only doing the right thing when it's their only move from a PR standpoint.

There's just a lot of issues in the NFL and the athletes being in the public eye all the time isn't going to help any. The only way to fix this is a cultural change that extends way beyond the NFL. The NFL Draft is funny because some of the best athletes might be passed over due to their crimes while in college since the team won't want trouble but there's always a team that will take each troublemaker since winning comes first. Do they give those players counseling and the tools to make them succeed or do they look the other way just because they're good players? I remember when the Bengals used to have a reputation as the team of convicts since they took the players no one else would risk taking and now they've finally cleaned up that image and did a great thing for Devon Still.

Honestly, I think Goodell is too arrogant to be in his position and I feel like any move he makes will only be for his well-being and for money to keep pouring into the league. He's just not trust-worthy to the fans (as seen by the boos) and a lot of players don't like him either for obvious reasons.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

So you are saying a league, forget the NFL, any league should suspend a player as soon as they are charged?

The answer is yes.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

The answer is yes.

In all cases? That's insane.

 

[MIMIC]

Did anybody have parents that did scare-spankings? When I think back, I never really got hit hard at all. I think as a kid, it seemed a lot scarier. Once I caught on and stopped fearing the weak spankings my parents gave ms, they stopped. Still think it was wrong of them to try and discipline me with fear. I'm just curious if others here had a similar upbringings?

Like bluffing or something?