ManaByte
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There was very clearly a reason for that, but some people chose to ignore it for trolling purposes.
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Update regarding Horizon Forbidden West (PS4 versions now have entitlement to free PS5 upgrade, other games will have $10 upgrade fee)
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There was very clearly a reason for that, but some people chose to ignore it for trolling purposes.
Jaysen
Banned
I mean Immortals, AC Valhalla, and the upcoming Far Cry are all 60. If they were going to do it, why not FC6?
PropellerEar
Member
custardbun01
Member
Sony and Jim Ryan doing a great job torching all the goodwill with their user base they built during the PS4 gen lately. Don’t they remember the mess that was the Xbox launch year and all the negative sentiment that left with everyone? I mean I got a PS5 and never even owned an Xbox but the Series X is looking like a better choice the more and more.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I guess it's not done with 2022:
Better expect 2023-2024.
So why buy a PS5? 2023-2024 ps5 pro will be out ffs.
Fucking jimbo.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Inflation alone justifies it.
Along with the fact that unlike many 3rd parties and the competition, Sony's FP games don't rely nearly as much on MTXs.
OneShotThrill
Member
Honestly i believe Ubisoft knows that they wont get nearly as much sales on next gen. Those are all last gen titles and they all hit bargin bins quite early as well. Lets wait to see what Ubisoft does moving forward the next few years. Im curious because they seem to want to go the heavy GAAS route.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
Same reason why Miles Morales ps5 version sky rockets in the charts when more ps5's sell. People dont care and will buy the version they associate with the system.So why would anyone buy the ps5 version?
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Yeah that's basically my view on the whole thing
He'd be a dumbass to try and stand his ground regardless of whether a free upgrade was promised or not.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
No, you're not reading my posts and you've just made it abundantly clear, again.
OneShotThrill
Member
Ok a clear reason...but the majority of xbox fanbase was still against the hike no? Cant be that clear of a reason if most didnt wanna pay up.
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
Serious question, if you get the PS5 version of a given game, do you even get to Play it on your old PS4 should the need arise?
I would prefer it if Sony just made their AAA games 70$ and offered cross buy as a feature, like they did with the ps3/vita.
No BS like pay us 10$ more so that we have someone fiddle with the config files a bit (like they did for the pro).
I would prefer it if Sony just made their AAA games 70$ and offered cross buy as a feature, like they did with the ps3/vita.
No BS like pay us 10$ more so that we have someone fiddle with the config files a bit (like they did for the pro).
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Umbasaborne
Banned
Still a bad look when microsoft isnt charging
ReBurn
Gold Member
The reason wasn't a good reason and people were right to criticize Microsoft for it. Raising the price of Gold so that GP Ultimate looks like a better deal by comparison was just stupid. It's not trolling to point out that doubling the price without increasing value was a blatant strong arm tactic despite the "it's just time to pay more" explanation. Especially when all of their marketing is about value.
ManaByte
Gold Member
It was to make people get off XBL Gold and get GamePass Ultimate (which includes XBL Gold). If XBL Gold is as expensive as GamePass Ultimate, you'd have to be an idiot to keep paying for something with less features.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
So the righteous reason was that in order to force people to get one service they wanted to lower the value of the other one… makes sense, you are right it is technically true this is an explanation
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Jaysen
Banned
I can quote that post word for word if you want.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Go for it. Quoting it doesn't mean you've read it, and you're going to prove it to me a third time
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OneShotThrill
Member
Not to derail this thread but i get 100 percent what youre saying. But if that message/reasoning dosent reach your fanbase than it means nada. People didnt wanna pay more its that simple.
. This thread isnt about MS its about Sony lying out their ass. Lets carry on
Jaysen
Banned
Thats just one example of your idiocy. Sony themselves admit people read it correctly, but here you are still carrying water for Sony claiming this was a reading comprehension issue. Hold the L.
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megreotsugua
Banned
Ps4 non-pro was selling at larger margin the ps4 pro.
PS5 already has a lot of exclusive games that are not cross-gen. There will be more for sure.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Sony is going the sensible route and damage controlling by letting people believe they were right
Doesn't change the fact that it was a comprehension issue that led to this shitstorm
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Jaysen
Banned
Bahahaha
Airbus Jr
Banned
People on Gaf are tech savy and most likely want the best experience for gaming so i kinda doubt people here would bother playing this game on that 2013 Jaguar gpu machine
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xion4360
Member
seriously just ignore this guy..hes a complete idiot.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Mate you're not one to laugh since you're another example of someone who couldn't read the blogpost properly
Jaysen
Banned
Fair enough. Done.
MasterCornholio
Member
So when will the downfall of Sony actually happen?
Seems like some people are predicting that things are going to get bad for Sony really soon but I'm currently not seeing it.
Sure things could be better but is it enough for them to fail due to that?
Seems like some people are predicting that things are going to get bad for Sony really soon but I'm currently not seeing it.
Sure things could be better but is it enough for them to fail due to that?
PropellerEar
Member
Which was even more consumer unfriendly than anything Sony is doing.
Gamepass isn't that hot either.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
exactly. But they sure make a lot of noise about it
FranXico
Member
Here is the full quote from WP:
Link
So, it does seem that the names are dropped by the interviewer, not Jim Ryan.
Ass of Can Whooping
has a point.
On the other hand, just like with the "we believe in generations" quote, Sony happily let people keep assuming a promise was made for that game. And Sony are aware of that, hence backtracking and covering their ass for future games.
Link
So, it does seem that the names are dropped by the interviewer, not Jim Ryan.
Ass of Can Whooping
has a point.On the other hand, just like with the "we believe in generations" quote, Sony happily let people keep assuming a promise was made for that game. And Sony are aware of that, hence backtracking and covering their ass for future games.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Nobody is saying that Sony is going to fail. That's not even what this is about.
PropellerEar
Member
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Here is the full quote from WP:
Link
So, it does seem that the names are dropped by the interviewer, not Jim Ryan.
On the other hand, just like with the "we believe in generations" quote, Sony happily let people keep assuming a promise was made for that game. And Sony are aware of that, hence backtracking and covering their ass for future games.
Yeah all i'm saying is we have two sources of info. The blogpost which is as official as you could get on their stance and doesn't promise a free upgrade for Horizon, and the WP interview which is grey one since it's just paraphrased and could easily be taken out of context or misquoted.
I'm not defending their communication. It's shit and still is shit.
It's a good thing this happened just for clear messaging alone.
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BootsLoader
Banned
You think they don’t inspect the entire game and add new assets and/or upgrade current assets in higher resolutions? And that is only one aspect of the game they have to work on.Bahahaha. You think PS5 versions of games on PS4 start over from scratch?
Can you please explain what exactly are they doing on the PS5 version? They just change the box from PS4 to PS5?
MasterCornholio
Member
Maybe I'm just getting confused with what's being said in other threads. Talk about Sony eroding their goodwill and how they have to be more consumer friendly. Seems like it's something that might affect the success of the platform.
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BootsLoader
Banned
I think they start with PS4 versions as base and then build on that. That’s my understanding.
saintjules
Gold Member
I think they'll cite all the reasons behind the PS5 version from a technical standpoint (framerate, graphics, etc. And gimp the PS4 version. We'll see.
I'll just pay for the PS5 version and have that case that says PS5 on it. Call it a day
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Jaysen
Banned
Uh no, there’s a whole other quote from Sony saying it was. There’s no confusion here. And once again for people who can’t be bothered to read - Sony admit the game was going to always have a free upgrade and they only changed their mind when it got pushed to next year.Here is the full quote from WP:
Link
So, it does seem that the names are dropped by the interviewer, not Jim Ryan.
On the other hand, just like with the "we believe in generations" quote, Sony happily let people keep assuming a promise was made for that game. And Sony are aware of that, hence backtracking and covering their ass for future games.
Jaysen
Banned
Do you know what “from scratch” means?
Captain Toad
Banned
Lol what? There was nothing illegal. It was just an unfriendly deal.
They are doing it because of the negative press, similar to MS backtracking on doubling the Xbox Gold price a few months back.
Concern
Member
Exactly. No rush here, my Ps4 is well enough up until a slim, pro, or maybe even a sku with a bigger storage releases.
Only thing that might make me want to upgrade earlier would be Bloodborne 2 and I doubt thats coming anytime soon if at all.
MasterCornholio
Member
I still would like to play better versions of those games. It's why I would buy them on PS5 instead of PS4. Plus not everything is cross gen.
That's just my opinion.
FranXico
Member
And I'm not surprised if that's the case. Please share a link then.
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soulbait
Member
Are you afraid there won't be enough copies or something? I just don't understand pre-ordering games these days.
Back in the day, it made sense to me. My local GameStop only got 5 copies of Fable, for example when it came out. Also, pre-order so you could get a game at a midnight release party made sense too. However, those days it is rare for a game to not have enough stock and/or just download digital. If it is a game I want to play day one, after the initial reviews stating about bugs or what not, I might buy the game the day before just to have it downloaded and ready to go.
I just don't understand pre-orders.
Jaysen
Banned
They’re all over the original thread. This turnaround on Sony’s part didn’t just happen without receipts.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
He's probably still refering to the blogpost
FranXico
Member
None of the other quotes from Sony in this thread explicitly mention a free upgrade for HFW, only the Washingtn Post interview I posted.
The blogpost is only explicit about launch games, and those did get free upgrades. HFW never was a launch game.
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