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[Mikey Jr.]

Not sure if this is a good place to ask.

I am using 8.1

Other than games, is there any use in me upgrading? Does it make my computer faster, start up quicker? I play steam games, but nothing really graphically intensive.

I just honestly don't see the point other than "DIRECT X 12!!"

 

[Philtastic]

@privacy issues: Only because Company 1 is spying on me doesn't mean company 2(MS) has a free pass to do the same! We should stop accepting this bullshit, like you do "they do it anyway why care" etc

If you have ever used the internet, you probably have 10 companies "spying" on you already, ranging from your service provider to Google to various ad companies all trying to figure out what to send you to cookies keeping track of the sites you visit, almost none of which benefit you. In this case, allowing MS to "spy" on you may actually enable some functionality in your everyday use of your computer like having your calendar self-populate and Cortana sending you reminders. Many of the new features in Win10 are basically those found in Google's services which also require Google to "spy" on you.

What I'm saying is that, although privacy is important and we should put some pressure on regulating bodies to limit what companies can gather from us or do with that info, some amount of "spying" is required for the conveniences that we might want to enjoy... like email and text messages vs. sending physical mail, having GPS in our internet-connected phones rather than carrying physical maps and a compass, having online social networks instead of visiting all of our friends and acquaintances who may be inconveniently distant from us just to find out how they're doing (because you can't phone anyone without someone "spying"), using credit cards as opposed to cash, etc.

 

[Prophet Steve]

never touched a Microsoft product in my life so I doubt that. your also overconfident, you ever sandbox windows 10 and wireshark it? my company won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

You've never used Bing? You've never used Outlook? You don't use a Xbox? You don't have a Microsoft Account with info? Skype?

And even then, with all of that, you never visit a Microsoft website or any that include their "advertising partners"? Because then they will also have info about you.

Besides that, you are being a huge ass by dropping that in this thread when you admit that you never touched a Microsoft product in your life.

 

[Durante]

better not go outside or buy anything ever.

But I'm sure Microsoft already has a decent amount of information about you.

I hope you don't use any products or services made by Google, Apple, or Facebook...

All 3 of those are seriously terrible arguments.

They basically boil down to "things are bad already, better accept that they'll get worse!"

 

[TemplaerDude]

never touched a Microsoft product in my life so I doubt that. your also overconfident, you ever sandbox windows 10 and wireshark it? my company won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

Why in gods name are you posting in here then other than to troll?

 

[Prophet Steve]

All 3 of those are seriously terrible arguments.

They basically boil down to "things are bad already, better accept that they'll get worse!"

Oh, that is true, but it is referring to him "keeping" his privacy.

As far for how I'm defending Windows 10, I'm not sure how big the difference in privacy is between Windows 10 and previous Windows versions.

The only thing to me seems that diagnostics get send automatically.

 

[Iorv3th]

Having problems upgrading my Dell E6410. Says it's compatible and ready to upgrade but around the 80% mark it went to a black screen and just stayed there, no cursor nothing. Did a reboot and it restored to windows 7.

Also could not open the syserr log in ~windowsBT. Said permission denied (even though I am admin).

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

So I turned off Cortana, but it still shows up in Task Manager. If I End Task on it, it just pops back up.

Kind of creepy. Is this the same for everyone?

 

[ColonialRaptor]

I does the job but it's ugly as hell Imo, Microsoft keep trying to go the "simpler is better" route and they've taken it too far it's very ugly imo. That said the system is faster and it's pretty easy to use. It's a lot more defined but seriously I just don't think they know what they're doing anymore...

I use my OS a specific way and thankfully it hasn't caused any problems for me yet, despite what I said above I'm kinda happy with it overall.

And removing filters and rules from the email app is just ridiculous... My email accounts are seriously messed up with so much crap.

 

[MrBS]

Community fix (mostly, settings reset after reboot) out there for my Creative sound card worked so I did the upgrade yesterday. Working well. Now for some DX12 stuff already!

 

[Iorv3th]

And removing filters and rules from the email app is just ridiculous... My email accounts are seriously messed up with so much crap.

I would just use thunderbird or something else.

 

[Guri]

So I turned off Cortana, but it still shows up in Task Manager. If I End Task on it, it just pops back up.

Kind of creepy. Is this the same for everyone?

Not here.

 

[alr1ght]

All 3 of those are seriously terrible arguments.

They basically boil down to "things are bad already, better accept that they'll get worse!"

That's the usual defense because there is no good defense for it.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

So I turned off Cortana, but it still shows up in Task Manager. If I End Task on it, it just pops back up.


Kind of creepy. Is this the same for everyone?

I have it "turned off" on both PC's but its there too.

 

[Prophet Steve]

That's the usual defense because there is no good defense for it.

Defense against what? It is challenging whether he indeed "keeping" his privacy.

 

[Truespeed]

Oh, that is true, but it is referring to him "keeping" his privacy.

As far for how I'm defending Windows 10, I'm not sure how big the difference in privacy is between Windows 10 and previous Windows versions.

The only thing to me seems that diagnostics get send automatically.

Windows 10 has to be the most privacy invasive OS yet. Unless you take the time to do a custom install, which most people don't, you're providing Microsoft with a whole bunch of personal data that you might not otherwise be aware of. I totally understand why they're doing it, but they've made it more of an opt-out issue after the fact than an opt in experience.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I have it "turned off" on both PC's but its there too.

Same here, is normal windows search cortana too?

 

[RazorbackDB]

Yeah the search box on the taskbar is also Cortana, I have the same proccess but it's called search for me because Cortana isn't available on my region.

 

[ShyGuy0504]

So how are Nvidia drivers on Windows 10?

I just got the notification that my upgrade is ready.

Should I wait?

 

[Roshin]

Defense against what? It is challenging whether he indeed "keeping" his privacy.

You don't know anything about him or what kind of setup he runs, so I don't see how you're challenging anything. And why would you challenge it at all?

 

[Ploid 3.0]

So how are Nvidia drivers on Windows 10?

I just got the notification that my upgrade is ready.

Should I wait?

Some seem to be doing fine with the new drivers (recently released a driver on the 5th or so), but for me on 760 I crash a lot, and on the latest driver my video glitch up and stop functioning while playing a game randomly, not right away sometimes not at all but it's often enough to annoy me. It looks like those graphic card break but not geometric squares but a garbled mess with pink, blue and so many colors going on.

Currently I'm on a older driver that seem to be fine so far but it may have problems since it's a old windows 10 nvidia driver. Windows 7 - 8 driver didn't display the nvidia control panel and other things so I couldn't use that.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

Same here, is normal windows search cortana too?

Yeah the search box on the taskbar is also Cortana, I have the same proccess but it's called search for me because Cortana isn't available on my region.

Yeah it seems to be tied to the search function now, looks like you might be able to disable it.

http://superuser.com/questions/949569/can-i-completely-disable-cortana-on-windows-10

http://www.tenforums.com/general-discussion/9311-how-do-i-disable-cortana-process.html

I don't think I will go though all that hassle to disable it completely.

So how are Nvidia drivers on Windows 10?

I just got the notification that my upgrade is ready.

Should I wait?

It seems to be fine on both of my desktop PC's. They use different gpu's.

 

[funkystudent]

The entire start menu / task bar has crashed twice on me since the last update and I need to restart to fix it.


Annoying.

 

[genjiZERO]

I have a Mac. I can get a free copy of either 7 or 10. I wanted to create a partition on my laptop to specifically play Touhou games and the like. I won't use it for anything else. Which one should I go with?

 

[TC McQueen]

I have a Mac. I can get a free copy of either 7 or 10. I wanted to create a partition on my laptop to specifically play Touhou games and the like. I won't use it for anything else. Which one should I go with?

10, since you'd have to have to update to it anyway at some point. Also, I hear 10 runs well on Mac hardware.

 

[Prophet Steve]

Windows 10 has to be the most privacy invasive OS yet. Unless you take the time to do a custom install, which most people don't, you're providing Microsoft with a whole bunch of personal data that you might not otherwise be aware of. I totally understand why they're doing it, but they've made it more of an opt-out issue after the fact than an opt in experience.

You are not telling me what the differences are. In this thread I assume most people can turn them off. So, what are the ramifications for my privacy? Because I've paid pretty good attention to what I agreed to.

The laughable thing is that most people get upset about "Let apps use your advertising ID for experiences across apps." Note how it doesn't say that it is not retrieving information from you. That is because they already have that. This is just whether you actually want personalized ads or not in your apps, not whether they retrieve the information or not. But apparently it is some very evil thing to have personalized ads.

Then there is the typing and inking data, calender data and stuff for Cortana. Which you can not only opt out of, but also tell to forget all your info since it is only used for Cortana.

Same thing for your location.

Granted, one problem is the "Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future". I'm not sure whether that info is linked to me and what they specifically collect.

You don't know anything about him or what kind of setup he runs, so I don't see how you're challenging anything. And why would you challenge it at all?

Which is why I question the services he uses. He was making a drive-by comment to shit on Windows 10 when he never even touches a Microsoft product.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Windows 10 has to be the most privacy invasive OS yet. Unless you take the time to do a custom install, which most people don't, you're providing Microsoft with a whole bunch of personal data that you might not otherwise be aware of. I totally understand why they're doing it, but they've made it more of an opt-out issue after the fact than an opt in experience.

What about the new hotness called Android? Is that as invasive as W10 or less?

 

[dgrdsv]

The key is tied to your Microsoft account. True, you don't have access to it, but that's how they can check your license. Plus, it's on their terms of use. Just look at the first point here.

You may be right. It's not required to have an MS account to activate a fresh install on previously upgraded PC but if you sign in into one and go into Settings / Accounts / Your account / Manage my MS account you'll get to a webpage which will actually list the Win10 devices you have as activated.

Well, we'll find out for sure as soon as someone will do an upgrade and try to install Win10 on his new machine.

 

[llotus]

What about the new hotness called Android? Is that as invasive as W10 or less?

I'm not happy about Android either but now were talking about our personal computers. Every single thing you do and save on your computer is now the property of Microsoft.

Couple that with how creative and strong hackers have been even within the last year puts all of this at a massive security risk. The United States government was recently hacked with 30+ Millions social security numbers and other details compromised. So now you're just like fuck, everything is open I don't even care?

I bet if I came into your house and started thumbing through your phone and then got on your laptop to see your taxes, you would flip out.

This invasion of privacy is not something you should all accept with open arms but here we are. At this point, why even take any precautions. No VPN, no firewall, no proxies, etc. It's pathetic.

 

[dgrdsv]

So how are Nvidia drivers on Windows 10?

I just got the notification that my upgrade is ready.

Should I wait?

They're fine for single GPU configs and all kinds of crap for SLI at the moment. If you're running SLI you should postpone the upgrade till they fix most of issues.

 

[Prophet Steve]

I'm not happy about Android either but now were talking about our personal computers. Every single thing you do and save on your computer is now the property of Microsoft.

Couple that with how creative and strong hackers have been even within the last year puts all of this at a massive security risk. The United States government was recently hacked with 30+ Millions social security numbers and other details compromised. So now you're just like fuck, everything is open I don't even care?

I bet if I came into your house and started thumbing through your phone and then got on your laptop to see your taxes, you would flip out.

This invasion of privacy is not something you should all accept with open arms but here we are. At this point, why even take any precautions. No VPN, no firewall, no proxies, etc. It's pathetic.

Where can you find this is stated?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/

Because right at the top here I see this pretty clearly:

2. Your Content. Many of our Services allow you to store or share Your Content or receive material from others. We don’t claim ownership of Your Content. Your Content remains Your Content and you are responsible for it.

EDIT:

Now what you are probably referring to is this: b. To the extent necessary to provide the Services to you and others, to protect you and the Services, and to improve Microsoft products and services, you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content, for example, to make copies of, retain, transmit, reformat, display, and distribute via communication tools Your Content on the Services.

Which is not entirely not the same.

 

[ukas]

They're fine for single GPU configs and all kinds of crap for SLI at the moment. If you're running SLI you should postpone the upgrade till they fix most of issues.

All kinds of crap how? I haven't had any issues with my SLI.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

What about the new hotness called Android? Is that as invasive as W10 or less?

The thing about phones for me is that I only really use it for calls. When I do use it for web stuff it's very limited (gaf, random quick information, and maybe games). On PC I do so much more because I'm not limited to touch screens. I buy stuff, I might video call, chat, send tons of information via email. Microsoft seem to be after information at the base stage on the OS. Seeing how well google does with their search engine and how porely recieved their Bing was getting information at the root is a masterful idea. Google has it's own OS chrome book thing, but I haven't heard much about that thing at all and I wanted one.

That said I know a lot of people must live on their phones and have more information pass through there.

 

[mm04]

All kinds of crap how? I haven't had any issues with my SLI.

I haven't had any either.

 

[Philtastic]

This invasion of privacy is not something you should all accept with open arms but here we are. At this point, why even take any precautions. No VPN, no firewall, no proxies, etc. It's pathetic.

No, we should keep VPNs, firewalls, and proxies even if we don't mind MS having some of our info because, in MS's case, we have some idea of who is getting our info while they provide us with services. Letting some random and usually malicious person access/steal my data for actually illegal purposes is not something I welcome. It's a fallacy to jump from "allowing a large corporate entity providing a service to gather some data that I grant them permission to access" to "allowing anyone, whether they benefit or harm me and whether I am aware of the intrusion or not, to access my data".

 

[Prophet Steve]

The thing about phones for me is that I only really use it for calls. When I do use it for web stuff it's very limited (gaf, random quick information, and maybe games). On PC I do so much more because I'm not limited to touch screens. I buy stuff, I might video call, chat, send tons of information via email. Microsoft seem to be after information at the base stage on the OS. Seeing how well google does with their search engine and how porely recieved their Bing was getting information at the root is a masterful idea. Google has it's own OS chrome book thing, but I haven't heard much about that thing at all and I wanted one.

That said I know a lot of people must live on their phones and have more information pass through there.

If you video call, chat or email, it doesn't matter what OS you are using since those are collecting data at the service level. I'm not sure the OS collects anything on the base stage unless you count the basic diagnostics info.

 

[besada]

Upgraded. Windows borked my sound drivers. Reinstalled them and everything seems fine. Tried out streaming from the XBox, which works pretty well, if a little artifacty. Now I can play Hexic on PC!

 

[Truespeed]

What about the new hotness called Android? Is that as invasive as W10 or less?

I would say less so as I don't recall being automatically enrolled into their services when I used it. For example, I explicitly had to enroll in Google Now. Additionally, when configuring the phone you're giving the explicit non hidden opportunity to opt out of certain things

 

[llotus]

So it's unconstitutional when the NSA does it but it's A-Okay when Microsoft does it because "they provide a service"

I swear to Christ i'm going insane

 

[RSB]

Just upgraded. Everything went fine, for the most part. Just had to change the pixel format from ycbcr to rgb (like I did back when I bought this PC) and activate the speakers for my TV (which were disabled for some reason)

Pretty happy with it so far.

BTW, I just played a Freecell game and it didn't show me any ads. Cool.

 

[Piers]

10, since you'd have to have to update to it anyway at some point. Also, I hear 10 runs well on Mac hardware.

Ah, interesting. I upgraded to Windows 10 on Bootcamp today and, somehow, only then realised that problems could arise in Apple needing to release compatibility updates for the system.

 

[btkadams]

Guys, my screens go black after the initial boot-up windows logo. I then hold down the power button until the computer completely turns off, then boot again and the computer boots normally (the screens don't go black).

What is going on? My computer was built in July and I never had this issue until installing Windows 10.

This happens every time after I shut down the computer. I've updated to the latest NVIDIA drivers and the monitors seem to work fine with my Mac, so I don't think it's a display issue.

 

[Prophet Steve]

So it's unconstitutional when the NSA does it but it's A-Okay when Microsoft does it because "they provide a service"

I swear to Christ i'm going insane

Those terms don't even apply to Windows as far as I'm reading correctly, but they seem applicable to Onedrive which is integrated into Windows. The phrasing makes it sound to me it is about them protecting themselves. Facebook pretty much has the same rights I think.

As an example, when I use OneDrive it may want to sync the photos on my phone to my PC. That line takes care of the rights so they are allowed to do something like that.

The NSA is a different situation. They abused their privileges to the point where the data they gathered were not necessary for public safety.

 

[AkelisRain]

So, I reinstalled Win 10 because I got an SSD today and it installed 32 bit instead of 64. Am i missing something here? I was Win 7 64 bit when I upgraded.

 

[Three]

So it's unconstitutional when the NSA does it but it's A-Okay when Microsoft does it because "they provide a service"

I swear to Christ i'm going insane

On one of them you can decide you don't want to use that service (and I wish people took privacy more seriously) but the other you don't get a say.

Anyway so I'm still on Windows 8.1 but opted in for the upgrade. a little while ago solitaire decided to stop working. I tried to unininstall it but couldn't find a way to do it because it wasn't showing on my list of things I can uninstall. I unpinned it from start and it doesn't show on my apps list at all. Visit the store and it says it's installed and doesn't give me an option to reinstall. Has anobody had this problem? Has this got something to do with the fact that it's pre installed on Windows 10?

 

[Truespeed]

You are not telling me what the differences are. In this thread I assume most people can turn them off. So, what are the ramifications for my privacy? Because I've paid pretty good attention to what I agreed to.

The very fact that an app called DoNotSpy10 exists and that it turns off 37 privacy settings is one indication that it's gone way too far. Now, some of these are harmless but a lot of them should never have been turned on by default. Things like location data, handwriting data sharing, telemetry, inventory collector, webcam and microphone access, transmittal of typing data, etc. If I want a personalized experience I'll turn on the things I want. Don't flip them all on and expect me to hunt them down and turn them off.

The laughable thing is that most people get upset about "Let apps use your advertising ID for experiences across apps." Note how it doesn't say that it is not retrieving information from you. That is because they already have that. This is just whether you actually want personalized ads or not in your apps, not whether they retrieve the information or not. But apparently it is some very evil thing to have personalized ads.

That's because certain people don't like being targeted. It's in their interest to target you so they can monetize you better. Why should I help them out with that? I really don't care about this one because I would rather see an ad for something I'm interested in, but it should be my choice and not Microsoft's.

Then there is the typing and inking data, calender data and stuff for Cortana. Which you can not only opt out of, but also tell to forget all your info since it is only used for Cortana.

I could care less for Cortana. If I wanted it I'll opt into it.

Same thing for your location.

Granted, one problem is the "Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future". I'm not sure whether that info is linked to me and what they specifically collect.

How this was automatically turned on is just bizarre.

 

[Prophet Steve]

The very fact that an app called DoNotSpy10 exists and that it turns off 37 privacy settings is one indication that it's gone way too far. Now, some of these are harmless but a lot of them should never have been turned on by default. Things like location data, handwriting data sharing, telemetry, inventory collector, webcam and microphone access, transmittal of typing data, etc. If I want a personalized experience I'll turn on the things I want. Don't flip them all on and expect me to hunt them down and turn them off.



That's because certain people don't like being targeted. It's in their interest to target you so they can monetize you better. Why should I help them out with that? I really don't care about this one because I would rather see an ad for something I'm interested in, but it should be my choice and not Microsoft's.



I could care less for Cortana. If I wanted it I'll opt into it.



How this was automatically turned on is just bizarre.

No, that app doesn't tell anything.

Disable Windows Update sharing, how does that protect my privacy? I know it is that p2p updates, but what does that have to do with my privacy? Or automatic driver updates? Or automatic Windows updates? Or...a whole lot of other features in there. They are not privacy settings.

Oh, but it does include an Adware option. Well, now, hmn, that sure is something.

Also it is specifically app access to web and microphone, how would you expect Skype to work properly otherwise? Same goes for the location. Which every website you visit already sees.

What is the exact harmful thing about the Inventory Collector? It has been in there since Vista and it has nothing to do with Microsoft getting your data. And all those points except for the Inventory Collector are handled in that setup.

Okay, it is fine that they don't want to get targeted. Personally I prefer personal ads than generic ones. And it is your choice. Quite easily. The amount of data it collects isn't any different.

I'm pretty sure that to use Cortana the first time you get a specific warning anyway and might even get an opt-out option immediate, but I'm not sure about that. It also is a pretty big feature from Windows 10, so if they would turn that off by default you have a big audience that never gets to see it. And it needs that data to function properly.

The last point I can offer little defense for, there is way too little detail about what they collect.

 

[Mad Season]

So, I reinstalled Win 10 because I got an SSD today and it installed 32 bit instead of 64. Am i missing something here? I was Win 7 64 bit when I upgraded.

Why would u go 32bit?

 

[sangreal]

So it's unconstitutional when the NSA does it but it's A-Okay when Microsoft does it because "they provide a service"

I swear to Christ i'm going insane

Is this a serious question? lol

The US Constitution limits the power of the US Government. It doesn't say anything about what Microsoft can do. This is like complaining that your free speech is being violated on a private forum

Constitutional issues aside, the two programs are still not comparable in most ways. Yes, it is okay for them to ask for information required in order to provide a service (whether that service is targeted ads, cortana, email syncing, whatever). It is also okay for you to say no. I don't remember opting into any NSA program or having the ability to opt out

 

[Saintruski]

You've never used Bing? You've never used Outlook? You don't use a Xbox? You don't have a Microsoft Account with info? Skype?

And even then, with all of that, you never visit a Microsoft website or any that include their "advertising partners"? Because then they will also have info about you.

Besides that, you are being a huge ass by dropping that in this thread when you admit that you never touched a Microsoft product in your life.

never have, don't have to start name calling because some people are good with privacy and security and like to keep it that way. that says a lot about your character. there is always a way to keep your privacy to a maximum.