Yes, there are widescreen BVMs.
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Yes, there are widescreen BVMs.
There are few widescreen HD BVMs and some older Sony monitors that do 480p/1080i.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1115058#p1115058
My 17"JVC is 4:3 but it has letterboxed 16:9 and a 16:9 bezel that fits over the screen to cover up the unused parts of the screen, effectively turning it into a little widescreen monitor.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1115058#p1115058
My 17"JVC is 4:3 but it has letterboxed 16:9 and a 16:9 bezel that fits over the screen to cover up the unused parts of the screen, effectively turning it into a little widescreen monitor.
YesManKablam
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This is beyond a fucking joke.
The place where I ordered a Wii RGB cable from sent me a component cable instead. They apologised and sent out the correct cable. It arrived this morning.
It's a fucking composite cable.
The place where I ordered a Wii RGB cable from sent me a component cable instead. They apologised and sent out the correct cable. It arrived this morning.
It's a fucking composite cable.
I'm fairly certain now that this company really has no clue what RGB actually refers to. Unless they specifically labeled their product as a SCART RGB product, I'm sure they were really only going by the color pattern of a component cable and calling it "RGB" as such. I'd just insist on a refund at this point since I'm even doubtful they actually have RGB SCART cables.
Omg lol, wtf... Where do you live? I have a spare one somewhere.
YesManKablam
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The first time I thought whatever, somebody just looked at the cable and saw a red one, a green one and a blue one. But now it's just incompetency. They have separate pages on their site for composite, component and RGB, but I'm thinking now no one there actually knows the difference.
I'm in Ireland. I also have an English postal address.
ResidentDante
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"What do you mean it's not a Scart cable?"
"The red, white and yellow colours are all separated into individual cables giving you a state of the art picture quality, especially on Shell gas station logos."
What site are you ordering from? We'll need to put it on the shit list.
YesManKablam
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CEX. They're known to be a bit shit, however their online store is usually a decent way to get things pretty cheap.
Why are you even bothering with CEX for something like this? Just buy one on ebay.
Oh them... Literally just saw a thread that says they have the PS4 slim in stock... 2 weeks before the reveal. I wonder how pissed off people are going to be when they see it's just the regular PS4
with YesManKablam's SCART cable.
YesManKablam
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They're the only place within the country stocking the cable. They do have separate stock numbers for composite, component and RGB, so they probably do have some.
Well this is familiar...ordered the official ps3 component cable from CEX and got a composite lead awhile back. Cables are hard.
Eh? I ordered a new one shipped from the uk on ebay merely last week
Doesn't exist yet.
It's possible the OSSC can get there from line doubling multiplier firmware updates.
speedlolita
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Just buy cables on eBay, where you can identify what you're buying!
People in CeX aren't trained to know the difference and I'm sure really don't care unlike us.
I'd never buy anything blind from CeX anyway, the condition of stock they accept is frankly appalling. I'm actually a big fan of CeX, I just scrutinise what I'm purchasing quite aggressively.
People in CeX aren't trained to know the difference and I'm sure really don't care unlike us.
I'd never buy anything blind from CeX anyway, the condition of stock they accept is frankly appalling. I'm actually a big fan of CeX, I just scrutinise what I'm purchasing quite aggressively.
YesManKablam
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I'm not in the UK.
so what?
you're in ireland, right? literally the first result or "wii rgb scart" on ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nintendo-...sh=item3d2195e20a:g:VsoAAOSwZSFXJECq#shpCntId
they post to ireland. not sure why you bought from CEX when they're so widely available on ebay.
You must travel to the future. If no one creates one it means we must hold onto our 1080p sets if you want perfectly sharp pixels! But to clarify, they all have integer scaling, the problem is the algorithm they use to scale the image. They all use bilinear filtering or something similar which softens the image nicely for live television but isn't the absolute best option for retro games.
This was posted in the AVS thread and if viewed at 100% (like you would if you were seeing the game in person), you can see that the image is soft throughout with rounded corners. I'm going with the assumption that the camera isn't responsible for this uniform softness. Now I'm not pretending this is the worst thing in the world and it's probably fine for 99% of gamers and 99% of the time, but it's worth pointing out.
bunnyboy replied stating that the AVS does indeed look the best on a 4k TV.
It's really going to come down to what kind of TV you have and the scaler used. Some TVs do have a "blurry" scaler when upscaling content to 1080p or 2160p but from the TVs I've experienced, (especially 4k models), they increase the sharpness rather than introduce blur which makes pixel graphics look great.
Here's a shot of SMB on a 4k set...
CharlesDangus
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Anybody know of any RGB SCART to component converter that doesn't introduce input lag? I'd prefer an HD retrovision component cable for my Genesis, but have no idea when they'll get restocked.
cyborgnumberblue
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I personally think the converter is a better investment than those Retrovision cables.
CharlesDangus
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Good point, it'll be more generic that way. I'll probably get a SCART switch then plug its SCART out into the converter.
DarkConfidant
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"What do you mean it's not a Scart cable?"
I'm not sure what I'm looking at here, but it looks like a bad idea.
speedlolita
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That is a composite to SCART adaptor. Utilising the audio and composite video pins of SCART, and those only.
That's Composite to SCART. which is just a composite signal that can be plugged into a SCART socket. In Europe it was pretty much the default connection for consoles between RF and HDMI, despite RGB SCART being so much better, the console manufactures seemed to prefer Composite to SCART for greater compatibility.
DarkConfidant
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So is the composite pin on SCART basically the same as a composite RCA jack? Does it look the same and work the same way?
Why is there? What is it used for?
speedlolita
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Yes. Yes.
Why? It is used for composite video sync, or just composite video. SCART was designed to be a versatile connector after all. Just so happens RGB is the best quality it is capable of.
This would be used to plug a console into an EU television as we largely only had SCART sockets in the back of the TV. The Sega Saturn originally shipped with an RGB SCART lead, but most other examples shipped with either RF or composite (6th gen and later).
It was actually the default cable sold with the Wii in Europe. the Playstations had the same thing, only SEGA console got real Scart RGB cables.
TVs sold in France up to 2014 had a mandatory RGB Scart socket. Because of the ubiquity of the connector, AV devices had to ship with a Scart cable to insure it would work on every TV. But there was nothing saying that the signal had to be RGB, so quite often they shipped with the common CVBS cable worldwide, with the addition of a Scart adapter for France and Europe. Manufacturers of quality AV devices, like VCR, DVD-players and Megadrives usually shipped with a correct RGB Scart cable.
Scart was designed to be the one AV plug that you would use for everything. What was meant to help the user (everything goes in there, if it doesn't, get an adapter) turned out to be a nightmare, as the customer would then never educate themselves on the different signals and would happily use these adapters without ever knowing they could have a much better picture simply by using the correct cable.
TVs sold in France up to 2014 had a mandatory RGB Scart socket. Because of the ubiquity of the connector, AV devices had to ship with a Scart cable to insure it would work on every TV. But there was nothing saying that the signal had to be RGB, so quite often they shipped with the common CVBS cable worldwide, with the addition of a Scart adapter for France and Europe. Manufacturers of quality AV devices, like VCR, DVD-players and Megadrives usually shipped with a correct RGB Scart cable.
Scart was designed to be the one AV plug that you would use for everything. What was meant to help the user (everything goes in there, if it doesn't, get an adapter) turned out to be a nightmare, as the customer would then never educate themselves on the different signals and would happily use these adapters without ever knowing they could have a much better picture simply by using the correct cable.
geniusbits
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Sega did what everyoneelsedon't
speedlolita
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And the Xbox, GameCube and PlayStation 2.
Another option, made by a guy on the Neo Geo forums. Also has stereo audio out which that Amazon box does not.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191876964053
Do RGB SCART cables cost more than composite-only SCART cables or something? Seems so odd that so many SCART cables are wired with lossy signals.
They weren't wired for Composite only, they were RCA cables with a cheap adapter thrown in the box. I'm assuming economies of scale as not-Europe used Composite, it was cheaper to refurbish the cables with an adapter than making new cables.
cyborgnumberblue
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The PVM I just got in last week seems to be dying. The picture is going crazy, the edges get all wavy and I can't resolve the picture from the service menu.
Damn shame.
Damn shame.
geniusbits
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Damn wish I waited to get this.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Cool, gonna have to look into one of these whenever I track down a Component-equipped CRT.
Any fellow Super Famicom/SD2SNES owners here? I just got mine and had a couple questions. Overall it runs great but have noticed some minor flickering/shaking screen in the SD2SNES menu and some games I've tried so far. Is this more likely an issue on the system, RGB cable, etc. vs. the cart/SD card? Thanks for any help.
As another yet unseen example, Super Punch Out just completely glitched out as Bear Hugger was about to hit me:
As another yet unseen example, Super Punch Out just completely glitched out as Bear Hugger was about to hit me:
Try reformatting your SD card. If that doesn't work try a new rom set followed by a new SD card. Make sure you're using an official PSU. May wanna post on the official forum for help if that doesn't help.
about this.
will it take a RGB modded N64's and modded SNES mini's signal?
it would let me use the CRT i have at its best since it has component inputs.
D.Lo
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Yes it will.
No need for a specialist made one though, scart RGB to component transcoders have been around for years and can be had cheaper.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004XSSDPO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I used one like this 10-15 years ago to my component-only CRT. The only difference is no audio pass-through, so add in a $1 scart audio breakout passthrough and it's all there.
Something's wrong with that Aladdin shot...
What's wrong?=O
Camera capturing screen refresh?
If there are $1 audio breakout adapters, I'd go for the cheaper RGB-Component converter on Amazon. No point spending $30 extra for no good reason.
Edit: is this one of these?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291842436541
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141748782431
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