If not even thinking about potentially killing other people can't stop you from drinking before driving, even a glass of wine, you may have a drinking problem.
I'm 100% fine not having a sip of alcohol if it means I'm driving any time soon.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Utah Gov. Gary Herbert Signs Bill Lowering Legal Blood-Alcohol Limit To .05%
- Thread starter RebornYeti
- Start date
- Status
If not even thinking about potentially killing other people can't stop you from drinking before driving, even a glass of wine, you may have a drinking problem.
I'm 100% fine not having a sip of alcohol if it means I'm driving any time soon.
Okay and how many of those were between .05 and .08? How many lives will this actually save vs how much money they want to make off it?
Puppet Shadow
Member
I remember when every 4 out of 5 restaurants and bars were predicted to go out of business when the no smoking laws were coming into effect.
They'll be fine.
They'll be fine.
We are all hypocrites...
I think the thory is making the threshold lower makes people less likely to risk it.
Why would there be more DUI accidents because of this?
RebornYeti
Member
I wonder how many accidents have been cause by people at .08. Like, legitimately curious because, sure, 10k Americans die a year, but I'd imagine a majority of those are caused by people who are well over the legal limit.
Are you for real? Boohoo you can't drink and drive... there is a reason like the governor stated that 85% of the world lives in countries with 0.05% blood alcohol level content for driving. We have it in BC and it has helped get a ton of shitheads off the roads, our restaurants and bars have never been popular. With a lowered level, it makes people more cautious and less likely to drink if they have to drive.
Want to get smashed with your meal. Take a taxi, have a designated driver, take an uber etc. Lives end in a second and the last thing we need is people estimating oh you know what I only had 3 beers I am under 0.08 etc. But inevitable we'll get the it's our god given right folks talking about how it penalizes average people, not the real drunk drivers blah blah.
Ultimately nothing does.
Nothing will stop people from drinking and driving, making alcohol illegal again won't even do it, people will still find a way. That doesn't mean there's no reason something like this shouldn't be done.
dc3k
Member
oh no what a shame i can't believe it
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Would one drink put me at that limit?
Fantastical
Death Prophet
For the vast majority of adults, no. 2 drinks probably wouldn't either assuming you spread them out over an hour.
If you have a glass of wine at dinner you drove to you may have a drinking problem. I guess I'm in the minority to think this is insane?
RebornYeti
Member
I guess I'm being a bit spoiled here, but it's just nice to enjoy a pint with my dinner at my favorite restaurant. With the possibility of me getting a DUI after one beer with dinner is just a bummer, that's all. I of course won't drive if I'm over the limit now, and I still won't when the legal limit is lowered. If I can't have a beer with dinner, then so be it.
EDIT: Apparently one beer won't get me to .05 according to some of you. If that's the case, then color me ignorant. I have only ever tested myself once, last weekend, with a breathalyzer my friend brought home from his work. I was at .06 after a 16 oz. Bud Light. Maybe it wasn't accurate, I don't know lol
Absolutely ridiculous. Just because a tiny percentage of people can't handle themselves on a thimbleful of beer doesn't mean that the vast majority of us can't.
This is if you drink the beers all at the same time? Not even remotely indicative of reality.
This is if you drink the beers all at the same time? Not even remotely indicative of reality.
questionmark
Member
.02% in Norway.
Would you like to guess how long it takes for the body to metabolize alcohol?
What is the criteria for "loss of judgment" exactly? Makes it sound like if you drink 2 beers you can be taken advantage of sexually.
You aren't, it is insane. I'm not adverse to revisiting our drunk driving laws intelligently. I'm not sure tht Utah is the unbiased source we should all follow though.
It's from the CDC...
I'm appalled at the people being upset at 0,05.
And I hope you're not implying rape is the fault of someone that had a bit too much to drink.
Studies have shown without a doubt that going from 0.10% to 0.08% was effective. What's the actual argument for not going to 0.05% other than "but i want to drink at dinner" ?
An article that cites studies that show this is actually a smart idea: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...-blood-alcohol-content-levels-will-save-lives
An article that cites studies that show this is actually a smart idea: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...-blood-alcohol-content-levels-will-save-lives
Sorry to tell you, but the "vast majority" can't, which is why the limit is .05% in most countries with some sense.
Not only that, that a pretty damn dumb justification.
There are also people that can "handle" driving over the speed limit, but you don't fucking do away with speed limits because of that, do you?
I'm not sure how you could have picked that up from what he was saying.
TheBryanJZX90
Member
If you're drinking because you enjoy the taste of an alcoholic beverage then you should still be able to have a drink or two with your meal and be fine.
If that's not why you're drinking, then what is the reason? Because you enjoy the slightly lowered inhibitions and social lubrication that comes from having some drinks? Because that sounds like a good reason to not drive.
If that's not why you're drinking, then what is the reason? Because you enjoy the slightly lowered inhibitions and social lubrication that comes from having some drinks? Because that sounds like a good reason to not drive.
Well yeah, that's the point. I don't know what's controversial about this, OP.
cartographer
Member
"I'm better at driving drunk than you think I am, hold my beer."
Conciliator
Banned
these things are always frustrating because they say "well it's .05 now" and then we try to figure out "well how much is .05 exactly?" and there's 100 different answers.
I will say that if you have 3 beers with a meal you shouldn't drive after that. So if that's .05 then...good rule I guess.
I will say that if you have 3 beers with a meal you shouldn't drive after that. So if that's .05 then...good rule I guess.
I'm kind of a bit shocked at people angry at this. It's been 0.05 here in Australia since I've been born and it's not an unreasonable limit by any means. You can have a couple of beers and you'll be under. If it saves unnecessary deaths then it's definitely worth it, especially when you can still enjoy a few beverages in moderation.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I really don't have a problem with this law just the idea that a single drink with your dinner makes you irresponsible, which this law doesn't even cover.
There are lots of different answers because it depends on a lot of different factors. That infographic was probably based on a 150 pound man. Though it's really terrible of them not to include that important element. If you're an 80 pound woman you certainly should not be driving after 3 beers. If you're a 220 pound body building male you probably are okay.
Part of the reason people are upset is probably because Utah is doing it.
RebornYeti
Member
I mean, perhaps I'm a bit ignorant on this subject. And I'm purely basing my disappointment due to fact that a potentially inaccurate breathalyzer told me I was at .06 after a 16 oz. Bud Light.
There have been things said in this thread that I had not taken into consideration, let alone researched. Next time I think about posting a thread, I will consider doing more research first lol.
This is probably true. My Facebook feed lately has consisted of people hating on the signing of this Bill, but maybe it's just because Utah has already had a record of having weird laws on alcohol.
Look up the "Zion Wall".
aussiedude08
Member
.05 is the standard in Australia.
The thing i was told at school was 2 standard drinks the first hour, 1 every hour after with water between to stay under.
Its just a basic guideline some will still be over and the rest under.
The thing i was told at school was 2 standard drinks the first hour, 1 every hour after with water between to stay under.
Its just a basic guideline some will still be over and the rest under.
Ummm... one drink an hour is the recommendation to stay within 0.05 BAC. Obviously it'll vary from person to person. Suggesting no drinks for 12 hours prior is crazy.
Australians are smaller than Americans, too, so we can have a drink more.
Rule of thumb is two standard drinks in the first hour, then one per hour after that.
Key word being standard.
aussiedude08
Member
Australian Beer is stronger than American beer because of all the light shit. but Australian beers are over 1 standard drink per bottle.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked