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Utah voted for Bernie Sanders on March 22, 2016 79.3 percent to Hillary's 20.3 percent.
Utah Dems are okay in my book.
Funny how this lines up time wise.
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Utah Gov. Gary Herbert Signs Bill Lowering Legal Blood-Alcohol Limit To .05%
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Utah voted for Bernie Sanders on March 22, 2016 79.3 percent to Hillary's 20.3 percent.
Utah Dems are okay in my book.
Funny how this lines up time wise.
Germany did this specific drop many many years ago. Some countries have a complete 0 limit and people aren't rioting there either.
Some people lack the anti-alcohol enzymes (mostly in east Asia), their BAC drops at 1/10th the rate of people who do have the enzyme.
Some people lack the anti-alcohol enzymes (mostly in east Asia), their BAC drops at 1/10th the rate of people who do have the enzyme.
But Utah dems aren't the reason people have problems with Utah...
I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with the Smurch of Smatter Schmay Schmaints.
RiccochetJ
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Eh, it's been like that here in Colorado for a while. While .08 has always been the legal limit, they'll nail you with what's known as a DWAI where the limit is .05. It's pretty much just as bad as a dui. The state is telling you that if you're going to drive, you're pushing it even having a single beer.
Jailer of Hope
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I think even in UT they'll hit you with impaired driving under .05.
RiccochetJ
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Under 0.05? Someone get me my flask! Gotta stay legal!
Wonder if that other limit will lower as well. If it's just an alignment with what they've really been busting you for then I'm fine with it. Wouldn't surprise me if they'll get you with a 0.02 now though.
AlexFlame116
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Sorry guys but I'm completely okay with this. I know people who lost family members because of drunk drivers and even though not everyone is drinking heavily before driving, I would still rather have this law.
Then again I don't drink so I obviously have no knowledge about these kind of things.
Then again I don't drink so I obviously have no knowledge about these kind of things.
Come on man let's not bring this up. Be respectful please even if you don't like them or agree at all with them.
I don't think pretending like that isn't the issue is the same thing as being respectful. Utah is unique politically because of the power of LDS.
Would you claim that the fact that this is Utah putting forth this legislation is a coincidence?
So you can have 1-2 (maybe 3 depending on your size) beers with a dinner and probably be fine still, and people are mad at this? If you want more than 3 dinner beers you probably should be finding alternate ways home. I personally won't drive if I drank one beer in the past hour or two, but that's probably too extreme for most people
CaviarMeths
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Canada is also 0.08, or at least Saskatchewan is.
And 0.08 is high enough that you'll never doubt whether or not you're legal to drive. You damn well know because you feel physically and mentally impaired. Anybody who chooses to drive at 0.08 is willingly putting lives at risk. At 0.05, there's going to be a lot more people asking themselves "am I over or am I OK?" Most people will choose to be safe rather than sorry.
I honestly don't see a downside to this. More places should adopt a 0.05 limit.
AlexFlame116
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Sigh...okay. I'm sorry that my religion brings problems then. Let's just leave it at that and move on.
It's not the your religion brings problems per se. That's a value judgement I haven't made in the thread, if anything I posted something earlier supporting it. But trying to pretend like religion has no effect on politics in Utah, or anywhere really, is intentionally avoiding reality.
RebornYeti
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Ok, I guess I thought .05 was a lot lower than it has made out to be (especially amongst my friends).
Like, if you can be drunk at .08, then that seems like you'd at least have to feel a little buzzed at .05, right?
Also, I'm not going to drive if I feel any effect from beer. I generally never feel anything if I have a beer with dinner and water. I always only order one beer and I'd say I'm at the restaurant for an average of 1.5 hours.
Like, if you can be drunk at .08, then that seems like you'd at least have to feel a little buzzed at .05, right?
Also, I'm not going to drive if I feel any effect from beer. I generally never feel anything if I have a beer with dinner and water. I always only order one beer and I'd say I'm at the restaurant for an average of 1.5 hours.
You are almost certainly not going to be above a .05 after one beer in 1.5 hours. It's hard to say anything without having at least a ballpark of your sex and weight, but most people can have 2 drinks, which is not the same as a beer necessarily, in that amount of time and not be over.
CaviarMeths
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If I have a couple beer with a meal at a restaurant over 90 minutes, I'm at that happy "cozy" place just before being buzzed. Under 0.05, I would think. 3 beers, I'm buzzed and wouldn't trust myself to drive.
RiccochetJ
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I'm ok with it as well. Driving a vehicle is a huge responsibility. You're able to do a massive amount of destruction in a short period of time as you're navigating this massive structure of steel. Human bodies don't hold up well.
I hope something comes out soon for texters soon. Those people are worse than drunk drivers.
RebornYeti
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Good to know.
Sorry for my ignorance, I think I was just upset because my friends were upset about it. And also that breathalyzer I used was definitely super inaccurate then.
I was just thinking this.
CaviarMeths
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You also mentioned that it was on an empty stomach and it sounds like you drank the beer pretty quickly. That would make a big difference too.
Bornstellar
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Don't drink and drive at all.
RiccochetJ
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I had 2 beers in a bar with some friends and I nursed them over a couple hours. I got pulled over and had to do a beathalyzer and blew a 0.01. They did make me feel guilty as hell for having even a 0.01 though.
If I had 2 beers and chugged them and then hopped in my car, I guarantee I would have blown close to if not over the 0.08. I would have definitely blown over the 0.05 that they really wanted to nail me with.
RebornYeti
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I definitely drank the beer faster than I would at dinner, but not incredibly fast. But yes, my stomach was basically empty. However, I didn't feel a big difference from how I usually feel after one beer with dinner.
I need to test this out more and see what I come up with. Now I'm slightly intrigued lol
ThoseDeafMutes
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The general rule of thumb for .05 is that 2 standard drinks in the first hour will get you there, and 1 standard drink per hour will maintain that level from there on out. These are Australian standard drinks (10g of Alcohol) whereas the American classification for standard drinks are bigger (14g of Alcohol), but it doesn't make a difference in terms of "how much beer can I have before I've had too much".
A couple of drinks spaced out over a 1 hour period keeps you under the limit unless you're drinking things that are quite strong. If you're worried about exceeding the limit, then you should give yourself a bit of extra time before you drive to be safe. For an average person, you need to drink about 2 full strength beers in a 1 hour period to reach the limit. If you're a big person, more, if a little person, less. A typical restaurant serving of red wine (150ml) will keep you comfortably under the limit. This idea of being terrified of drinking anything for fear of exceeding .05 is extremely overblown. If you've had more than a couple every hour, you know damn well you shouldn't be driving and as a responsible adult you should be thinking about that before you start doing shots.
A couple of drinks spaced out over a 1 hour period keeps you under the limit unless you're drinking things that are quite strong. If you're worried about exceeding the limit, then you should give yourself a bit of extra time before you drive to be safe. For an average person, you need to drink about 2 full strength beers in a 1 hour period to reach the limit. If you're a big person, more, if a little person, less. A typical restaurant serving of red wine (150ml) will keep you comfortably under the limit. This idea of being terrified of drinking anything for fear of exceeding .05 is extremely overblown. If you've had more than a couple every hour, you know damn well you shouldn't be driving and as a responsible adult you should be thinking about that before you start doing shots.
duality1123
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Yeah this is really no problem guys.
0.05 means you can have 3 standard drinks in the first hour plus a single standard drink every hour after that. Obviously if you're eating a meal or drinking water with it / your metabolism and size you might be able to have more or less.
Women I think are 2 standard drinks the first hour and then one after it.
That's because on average it takes about an hour to metabolise a standard drink. And obviously the key word is standard drinks.
I got to admit when Australia, Italy and Germany, 3 massive alcoholic countries at least culturally all have .05 and have had so for decades (at least here in Australia) it's kind of funny to hear every one complaining about it and thinking they have to drink thimbles of alcohol to stay under the limit.
0.05 means you can have 3 standard drinks in the first hour plus a single standard drink every hour after that. Obviously if you're eating a meal or drinking water with it / your metabolism and size you might be able to have more or less.
Women I think are 2 standard drinks the first hour and then one after it.
That's because on average it takes about an hour to metabolise a standard drink. And obviously the key word is standard drinks.
I got to admit when Australia, Italy and Germany, 3 massive alcoholic countries at least culturally all have .05 and have had so for decades (at least here in Australia) it's kind of funny to hear every one complaining about it and thinking they have to drink thimbles of alcohol to stay under the limit.
peanutbutterlatte
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I honestly never drive after a drink. I know I should be able to drink 1-2 and be fine, but the one time I had a small beer and drove I felt... wrong. Not dangerously so, but it was definitely different. Just not worth it.
Exactly. A single glass of wine in the evening and you better walk your ass to work the next day son.
Anyway there's nothing wrong with the new limit imo.
triplestation
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I see zero problems with this. People in this thread being all "But lowering the limit means that now it's not allowed for me to drink and then drive!!"
Yeah, that is what words mean. Congratulations.
Yeah, that is what words mean. Congratulations.
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JasonUresti
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We should also implement a technology that stops cell phones from turning on in a car going over 5 miles per hour.
Cool, veracity of the image aside, for the people going "Hur dur you must be fun at dinners" there you go...you can have a beer or two with your god damn dinner without breaking the law or killing people on the road because of your influenced driving.
Yeah. Fuck you science and statistics!
peanutbutterlatte
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I think it's more the fact that you're essentially estimating your ABV, thus gambling with whether you get your license shredded or not.
Like I can't imagine being indefinite about something that, if you fudge slightly, could affect your life massively.
I know in the UK they're apparently striving to make the limit 0%, which is probably a good idea
Like I can't imagine being indefinite about something that, if you fudge slightly, could affect your life massively.
I know in the UK they're apparently striving to make the limit 0%, which is probably a good idea
BLAUcopter
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Yeah. I reckon it's not too much of a stretch to think that it was planned to go like this from the start. I mean look how many more arrests they can make now that pretty much EVERYONE would now blow over that tiny limit. They know human behaviour, it would've been calculated and filed away somewhere for sure.
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Maintenance
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Sounds good to me, .05 is even a bit too high but beggars can't be choosers.
Yep.
Yep.
LiveFromKyoto
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A single glass of wine taken with a full meal is not going to affect your driving unless you weigh 34 lbs., are 14 years old, or do not have functioning kidneys.
lol @ the naivete and idealism.
SliceSabre
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I don't have a problem with this because I have ZERO sympathy for people who want to drink and drive and I come from a family with drinking problems.
Lol what ?
It's hardly a difficult thing to take a taxi or avoid driving the day after a heavy session.
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